Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (26 Viewers)

wingy · Mar 29, 2020

Provincial practices through hardships, starvation, deprivation etc .
The Country we're talking about has only become developed and modernised over the last 30 yrs .
They will get there with something that is pretty hard to police.
Read The Welsh guy's account of having the disease in Wuhan .
He's shopped in that market and has never seen the creatures implied for sale.

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 29, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
Me and you are aligned then- I get called a hippy all the time and to be perfectly honest I’m very happy with that label. Love it in fact.

Just not on vaccines dude

Grendel · Mar 29, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
France with their frois gras practices- disgusting as well.

Yes as I’ve said many times when people were saying the EU was compassionate regarding animal welfare but it doesn’t kill people

clint van damme · Mar 29, 2020

TomRad85 said:
I just think its ironic that a lot of the people gathering on here daily to slate our government are jumping through hoops to defend the barbarians in charge of China. It seems we'll have to agree to disagree and obviously I wish you all well and hope we'll eventually get to see CCFC lift the league one trophy together.

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the thing is our government is the one we elected and the one who are supposed to serve us so they're always going to get more scrutiny than anyone else no matter what the merits of each governments performance.

Ring Of Steel · Mar 29, 2020

TomRad85 said:
I just think its ironic that a lot of the people gathering on here daily to slate our government are jumping through hoops to defend the barbarians in charge of China. It seems we'll have to agree to disagree and obviously I wish you all well and hope we'll eventually get to see CCFC lift the league one trophy together.

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i think it’s understandable that tempers are getting frayed. Just for the record, I am not defending China- they have to get a handle on their issues. My point was, and remains, that this is a chance for the whole planet to reboot- and pointing fingers at individual races & countries is missing the point completely.

look at the research, look at the data, the papers are all out there and have been for decades- next time something like this happens we could well be looking at extinction. And the way we are all currently living means we’d be helpless to stop it.

Ring Of Steel · Mar 29, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Just not on vaccines dude

haha- I’m undecided there but I like to be open minded. Coronavirus- undeniable, a no brainer.

Grendel · Mar 29, 2020

clint van damme said:
the thing is our government is the one we elected and the one who are supposed to serve us so they're always going to get more scrutiny than anyone else no matter what the merits of each governments performance.

At least we can elect and scrutinise our government without fear of our family been sent to correction centres

skybluetony176 · Mar 29, 2020

covcity4life said:
Blow torching dogs is horrible. Its torture

Injecting cow with sperm,tsking away their babies after birth thrn shotgun or shredding them is horrible too. its torture

Shredding alive male chicks in egg production is common place throughout Europe although not the only method of killing male chicks. It’s being phased out in Europe, even in France it’s being banned from next year. In the US it’s actually the number one method of disposal of male chicks.

Liquid Gold · Mar 29, 2020

The problem is the cultural differences. You can’t quickly change Chinese culture that has been born out of thousands of years of surviving famines meaning they have a less picky diet.

1. They should absolutely change them, those markets are wrong.
2. We need to do a lot more to improve our practices towards animals.

Those statements are not mutually exclusive.

Hindu fundamentalists think westerners are absolute scum due to eating beef. Why? They don’t understand the cultural differences and that causes them to be racists.

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 29, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
haha- I’m undecided there but I like to be open minded. Coronavirus- undeniable, a no brainer.

Inform yourself and delve into the science.

clint van damme · Mar 29, 2020

Grendel said:
At least we can elect and scrutinise our government without fear of our family been sent to correction centres

but it's unreasonable to expect us to scrutinise all foreign governments who perform worse than out own, at the end of the day, our main concern is how things are been handled here.

Ring Of Steel · Mar 29, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Inform yourself and delve into the science.

I haven’t got past the Jenny McCarthy YouTube videos yet

skybluetony176 · Mar 29, 2020

Astute said:
Do we cut the legs off the cow then blowtorch it when it is is still alive. Then the crowd that has watched the unimaginable suffering celebrate eating the cow?

Or have you missed the point?

We kill them with all their mates watching. We take calf’s away from their mother so we can take the calf’s milk and both mother and calf scream for days. Our hands aren’t clean. That’s all anyone has said.

Ring Of Steel · Mar 29, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
We kill them with all their mates watching. We take calf’s away from their mother so we can take the calf’s milk and both mother and calf scream for days. Our hands aren’t clean. That’s all anyone has said.

yep- you’re right.

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 29, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
I haven’t got past the Jenny McCarthy YouTube videos yet

Get away from there and into some papers.

Ring Of Steel · Mar 29, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Get away from there and into some papers.

I’d actually love to- got any recommendations?

skybluetony176 · Mar 29, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
France with their frois gras practices- disgusting as well.

The US is one of the biggest producers and consumers of frois gras.

TomRad85 · Mar 29, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
i think it’s understandable that tempers are getting frayed. Just for the record, I am not defending China- they have to get a handle on their issues. My point was, and remains, that this is a chance for the whole planet to reboot- and pointing fingers at individual races & countries is missing the point completely.

look at the research, look at the data, the papers are all out there and have been for decades- next time something like this happens we could well be looking at extinction. And the way we are all currently living means we’d be helpless to stop it.

I actually think China has earned itself a bit of finger pointing here. But as I say, no hate for you having your opinion.

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Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 29, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
I’d actually love to- got any recommendations?

Start with reading the debunking of the MMR vaccine-autism paper. Don’t have a link but should be easy to find.

The story of how the world beat smallpox through vaccination is also an inspirational one in itself

skybluetony176 · Mar 29, 2020

TomRad85 said:
I just think its ironic that a lot of the people gathering on here daily to slate our government are jumping through hoops to defend the barbarians in charge of China. It seems we'll have to agree to disagree and obviously I wish you all well and hope we'll eventually get to see CCFC lift the league one trophy together.

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No one has defended China though.

Grendel · Mar 29, 2020

clint van damme said:
but it's unreasonable to expect us to scrutinise all foreign governments who perform worse than out own, at the end of the day, our main concern is how things are been handled here.

So you are ok with trade with Saudi Arabia - I thought you opposed that?

TomRad85 · Mar 29, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
No one has defended China though.

Deflecting criticism is a form of defense... albeit a poor one.

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Ring Of Steel · Mar 29, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Start with reading the debunking of the MMR vaccine-autism paper. Don’t have a link but should be easy to find.

The story of how the world beat smallpox through vaccination is also an inspirational one in itself

I will do that, ta

skybluetony176 · Mar 29, 2020

Grendel said:
Yes as I’ve said many times when people were saying the EU was compassionate regarding animal welfare but it doesn’t kill people

Mad Cow Disease? Salmonella?

NortonSkyBlue · Mar 29, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
France with their frois gras practices- disgusting as well.

Animal Welfare? You can extend this to how horses are treated or how sheep are ritually slaughtered in the Islamic faith. The way we treat animals is barbaric but then you see the way some people treat each other why should we be surprised?
The point made about the force feeding of goose liver raises a couple of points: how did somebody decide to force feed the goose for their own delectation? And more importantly how did it become accepted as a way to treat an animal?
I am not a vegan nor vegetarian but I can see why more and more people go down that route. Anybody with a conscience would find it questionable to eat chicken once they had seen how they are treated.
Non of that is in China, I am talking about in our countryside and in our neighbors countryside.
China may be barbaric in their practices but we really shouldn't be preaching to them when we rush to buy a three pound chicken without understanding how it got on the shelves.

Grendel · Mar 29, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
Mad Cow Disease? Salmonella?

The Uk are entirely responsible for BSE as I have said and had to change its practices as a consequence

wingy · Mar 29, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
Me and you are aligned then- I get called a hippy all the time and to be perfectly honest I’m very happy with that label. Love it in fact.

They had the best of times.
I wish I'd been one.
The music of that era just wonderful.

Ring Of Steel · Mar 29, 2020

riyadhskyblue said:
Animal Welfare? You can extend this to how horses are treated or how sheep are ritually slaughtered in the Islamic faith. The way we treat animals is barbaric but then you see the way some people treat each other why should we be surprised?
The point made about the force feeding of goose liver raises a couple of points: how did somebody decide to force feed the goose for their own delectation? And more importantly how did it become accepted as a way to treat an animal?
I am not a vegan nor vegetarian but I can see why more and more people go down that route. Anybody with a conscience would find it questionable to eat chicken once they had seen how they are treated.
Non of that is in China, I am talking about in our countryside and in our neighbors countryside.
China may be barbaric in their practices but we really shouldn't be preaching to them when we rush to buy a three pound chicken without understanding how it got on the shelves.

it is starting to feel encouragingly like we’re all saying the same thing.

All countries need to take a look at themselves before we end up wiping everyone out.

skybluetony176 · Mar 29, 2020

Grendel said:
At least we can elect and scrutinise our government without fear of our family been sent to correction centres

In the U.K. you just get accused of hating your country and defending other countries for scrutinising our government by trial on social media.

Ring Of Steel · Mar 29, 2020

wingy said:
They had the best of times.
I wish I'd Ben one.
The music of that era just wonderful.

wonderfully harked back to via The Amorphous Androgynous- massively recommended

clint van damme · Mar 29, 2020

Grendel said:
So you are ok with trade with Saudi Arabia - I thought you opposed that?

I do.
But the thread is about the current crisis, so how our government responds is always going to revive more focus than other governments.
I made that point in response to Tom who mentioned how much our government gets slated on this thread.
But as the second biggest economy in the world there is no way we'll raise anything more than a token moral objection to anything they do just like Saudi.

In fact Blair even stopped the token moral objections.

Magwitch · Mar 29, 2020

The story of how the world beat smallpox through vaccination is also an inspirational one in itself[/QUOTE]
Killed over 300 million in the last century.

Ring Of Steel · Mar 29, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
In the U.K. you just get accused of hating your country and defending other countries for scrutinising our government by trial on social media.

yes!!! Say one word and you’re treasonous

Grendel · Mar 29, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
it is starting to feel encouragingly like we’re all saying the same thing.

All countries need to take a look at themselves before we end up wiping everyone out.

Except our government has to have some form of transparency - if Chris Whitty spoke against the government I don’t think he’d be sent to jail and die of the virus a week later

Liquid Gold · Mar 29, 2020

I’m not seeing any criticism of the Chinese government just cultural Chinese practices. That is dictionary definition racism.

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