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David O'Day

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,066
Skyblueweeman said:
Anyone??

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As far as I am aware the employer pays the wages then the company is given a grant to cover it.
 
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Warwickhunt

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,067
Deleted member 5849 said:
Forgive the possibly stupid question, but wtf is being palliated?
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Spain have taken thar decision! Not enough respirators so Doctors are deciding to take the patients that will die off the respirator and give to one that have a better chance of survival. How the fuck they can decide that God only Knows.
 

Warwickhunt

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,068
djr8369 said:
I can’t understand why they didn’t stagger the lockdown starting with London.


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I would have thought that by increasing the number of trains on the underground you had more chance of spreading out the passengers rather than what he did an reduced them! people are like sardines in the trains now and as isaid a Tsunami of cases are coming in London.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,069
Warwickhunt said:
Spain have taken thar decision! Not enough respirators so Doctors are deciding to take the patients that will die off the respirator and give to one that have a better chance of survival. How the fuck they can decide that God only Knows.
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But that isn't what the loon was saying, hecwas claiming the government was going to do it to all people over 65
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,070
Warwickhunt said:
I would have thought that by increasing the number of trains on the underground you had more chance of spreading out the passengers rather than what he did an reduced them! people are like sardines in the trains now and as isaid a Tsunami of cases are coming in London.
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The reduced train s are mostly down to reduced staff numbers
 
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Skyblueweeman

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,071
David O'Day said:
As far as I am aware the employer pays the wages then the company is given a grant to cover it.
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Thanks. I found out today I'm furloughed for 3 months on 80% wages. This I can deal with.

But about 11 months ago, I took a 12 month mat cover which ends mid May. I'm therefore not sure what happens mid May? If theres no financial liability for my company (ie it's a grant and the govt pay it) then I'm in a better situation. If it was a loan, I'm technically out of a job mid May with a mortgage to pay and two mouths to feed.

Waiting to find out next week what my company can do for me. I'm hoping 10yrs good service and a decent reputation amongst seniors will help me out.

Proper hit home today when I got the call from my boss.

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TTG

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,072
Liquid Gold said:
I really don't get the fuss. The mortality rate is minimal, loads more will die from flu this winter.
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Do you still not get all the fuss liquid?
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,073
TTG said:
Do you still not get all the fuss liquid?
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I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that’s not the newest of posts
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,074
Skyblueweeman said:
Thanks. I found out today I'm furloughed for 3 months on 80% wages. This I can deal with.

But about 11 months ago, I took a 12 month mat cover which ends mid May. I'm therefore not sure what happens mid May? If theres no financial liability for my company (ie it's a grant and the govt pay it) then I'm in a better situation. If it was a loan, I'm technically out of a job mid May with a mortgage to pay and two mouths to feed.

Waiting to find out next week what my company can do for me. I'm hoping 10yrs good service and a decent reputation amongst seniors will help me out.

Proper hit home today when I got the call from my boss.

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It’s a grant, the company claims back the wages: Claim for your employee’s wages through the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme

Hope it works out.
 
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RegTheDonk

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,075
David O'Day said:
It's more contingency planning than the expect it to get as bad as italy. Iralies issue was the lack of ICU capacity. They are increasing this fir the NHS
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I disagree.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,076
RegTheDonk said:
I disagree.
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I do too, given they've already done a lot of work to try and increase bed capacity in the existing hospitals it is rather worrying the numbers being stated. Unless that's the point and it's the nudge theorists at work.
 
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cc84cov

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,077
TTG said:
Do you still not get all the fuss liquid?
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56k a year estimate die from flu each year I think this is the unknown is why we are seeing such drastic measures
 

cc84cov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,078
When it first came out I said it’s no diff to numbers of people who die of Flu each year how wrong I was 56k they estimate a year die from flu I think we can see this going way beyond that
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,079
cc84cov said:
When it first came out I said it’s no diff to numbers of people who die of Flu each year how wrong I was 56k they estimate a year die from flu I think we can see this going way beyond that
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The possibilities are endless, aside from a couple of countries the figures are still growing around the world with no sign of any slowing. At all.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,080
RegTheDonk said:
I disagree.
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Cool, evidence to back up your claim?
 

cc84cov

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,081
Ring Of Steel said:
The possibilities are endless, aside from a couple of countries the figures are still growing around the world with no sign of any slowing. At all.
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Hoping this lockdown allows NHS to get a handle on things and reduces new cases once reviewed
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,082
fernandopartridge said:
I do too, given they've already done a lot of work to try and increase bed capacity in the existing hospitals it is rather worrying the numbers being stated. Unless that's the point and it's the nudge theorists at work.
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There is only so much you can do with existing infrastructure, they were always going to have build new facilities.

If they didn't do this and suddenly they needed more beds they'd be rightly slaughtered.

Professor Neil Ferguson of imperial college who wrote the report that people like to quote has now changed his forecasts and thinks the NHS should just about cope due to the increased capacity
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,083
David O'Day said:
There is only so much you can do with existing infrastructure, they were always going to have build new facilities.

If they didn't do this and suddenly they needed more beds they'd be rightly slaughtered.

Professor Neil Ferguson of imperial college who wrote the report that people like to quote has now changed his forecasts and thinks the NHS should just about cope due to the increased capacity
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How many cases do you believe are out there currently ?
Not just the tested .
And how many do you think are hospitalised?
Does this double every three days? .plus the compound of each total before hand.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,084
David O'Day said:
There is only so much you can do with existing infrastructure, they were always going to have build new facilities.

If they didn't do this and suddenly they needed more beds they'd be rightly slaughtered.

Professor Neil Ferguson of imperial college who wrote the report that people like to quote has now changed his forecasts and thinks the NHS should just about cope due to the increased capacity
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Looks like they're aiming for 20k+ beds to me
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,085
wingy said:
How many cases do you believe are out there currently ?
Not just the tested .
And how many do you think are hospitalised?
Does this double every three days? .plus the compound of each total before hand.
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The amount of cases is unknown as we don't know the percentage of cases that will asymptomatic. We won't know this until we are in a position to start wide scale antibody testing so any numbers would at next be a guess.

Most of the active cases will have at least presented at hospital and that was at around 13 and a half thousand. But it is highly unlikely there will be anything like that in hospital at one time.

The cases are doubling every 3 days, that is the expected path. It is when it doesn't double after days that is important as this is when the urvebcould be starting to bend.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 27, 2020
  • #9,086
wingy said:
Looks like they're aiming for 20k+ beds to me
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And that is sensible
 
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Magwitch

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  • Mar 28, 2020
  • #9,087
shmmeee said:
Remember the topic of this thread?

EFL statement: Coronavirus update

Now suspended until 30th April. Still to decide what to do.

Edit: @Nick can we update the thread title?
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This thread is now a Coronavirus one, understandably, there needs to be one for football only fundamentally in our current situation promotion in limbo, ground issue not solved putting the future of our club in jeopardy.
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 28, 2020
  • #9,088
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
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Gender reassig
Warwickhunt said:
Spain have taken thar decision! Not enough respirators so Doctors are deciding to take the patients that will die off the respirator and give to one that have a better chance of survival. How the fuck they can decide that God only Knows.
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in England it is done by three consultants who look at the prognosis and make decisions based on an agreed treatment/ withdrawal.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 28, 2020
  • #9,089
Flying Fokker said:
Gender reassig

in England it is done by three consultants who look at the prognosis and make decisions based on an agreed treatment/ withdrawal.
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You think when this kicks off they’ll have the time or staff to get three consultants together?
 
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Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Mar 28, 2020
  • #9,090
Ring Of Steel said:
Looking for positives... if the police now have the power to break up groups, how about they start with Coldplay
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I don't think that will happen, I heard Sting is good friends with Chris Martin

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wingy

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  • Mar 28, 2020
  • #9,091
David O'Day said:
The amount of cases is unknown as we don't know the percentage of cases that will asymptomatic. We won't know this until we are in a position to start wide scale antibody testing so any numbers would at next be a guess.

Most of the active cases will have at least presented at hospital and that was at around 13 and a half thousand. But it is highly unlikely there will be anything like that in hospital at one time.

The cases are doubling every 3 days, that is the expected path. It is when it doesn't double after days that is important as this is when the urvebcould be starting to bend.
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So we have a difinitive number from Simon Stevens as of yesterday
6200 poeple being treated in hospital currently.
Surprised me I thought it may be 66% of that.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 28, 2020
  • #9,092
shmmeee said:
You think when this kicks off they’ll have the time or staff to get three consultants together?
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No. What do you think?

I guess they trust each other and challenge accordingly. It may not mean physically standing around a patient. I only have the comments of 2 consultants to base my views.
 
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We'll_live_and_die

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  • Mar 28, 2020
  • #9,093
Italy appear to have flattened the curve of new cases.
They are having less than 1000 deaths a day.
Let’s say this virus goes away within 14days isolation.
That would see them topping out around 20-30k deaths.

What evidence are people using when projecting 50k+ for this country in this thread?

I think the US are the ones who are going to see massive losses from this. They are only just starting to realise how dangerous it is and they are the highest infected country in the world.

Just to be clear I know these numbers are huge and I’m not trying to trivialise the death of thousands.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Mar 28, 2020
  • #9,094
Rich said:
Italy appear to have flattened the curve of new cases.
They are having less than 1000 deaths a day.
Let’s say this virus goes away within 14days isolation.
That would see them topping out around 20-30k deaths.

What evidence are people using when projecting 50k+ for this country in this thread?

I think the US are the ones who are going to see massive losses from this. They are only just starting to realise how dangerous it is and they are the highest infected country in the world.

Just to be clear I know these numbers are huge and I’m not trying to trivialise the death of thousands.
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It is too early to be making such predictions, especially for new cases, as the behaviour of some idiots means that the south is still a bit of an unknown, especially due to having less resources in the hospitals compared to the north.
Agreed on the USA though, they will end up the worst out of all countries (not that I believe the official figures from China).
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 28, 2020
  • #9,095
wingy said:
So we have a difinitive number from Simon Stevens as of yesterday
6200 poeple being treated in hospital currently.
Surprised me I thought it may be 66% of that.
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That seems a right figure to be, you have to remember most of these will not seen as critical and not requiring critical care
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 28, 2020
  • #9,096
There's some folk who would see a conspiracy in anything ley alone the ramblingsifaguysacked for strange ramblings
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 28, 2020
  • #9,097
Rich said:
Italy appear to have flattened the curve of new cases.
They are having less than 1000 deaths a day.
Let’s say this virus goes away within 14days isolation.
That would see them topping out around 20-30k deaths.

What evidence are people using when projecting 50k+ for this country in this thread?

I think the US are the ones who are going to see massive losses from this. They are only just starting to realise how dangerous it is and they are the highest infected country in the world.

Just to be clear I know these numbers are huge and I’m not trying to trivialise the death of thousands.
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Who has predicted 50k?
 

We'll_live_and_die

Super Moderator
  • Mar 28, 2020
  • #9,098
shmmeee said:
Who has predicted 50k?
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see below.

cc84cov said:
When it first came out I said it’s no diff to numbers of people who die of Flu each year how wrong I was 56k they estimate a year die from flu I think we can see this going way beyond that
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Magwitch

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  • Mar 28, 2020
  • #9,099
Experts on tv seem to think London cases and deaths will soar for the next couple of weeks and some areas such as north Birmingham Wolverhampton will do similar, they do seem concerned on the Birmingham/Wolverhampton areas.
Just stay indoors for atleast 2 weeks minimum, watch tv, just go out for food.
 

Tommo1993

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  • Mar 28, 2020
  • #9,100
2-3 weeks very very optimistic imo.
 
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