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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #771
Gibbo said:
The numbers tell a different story, but hey, who needs facts
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That’s really interesting. What about japan!!? And is that accurate. I thought we started at the same time as Italy
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #772
Sick Boy said:
Not sure i have said they have 'the best testing' - which i presume is what you meant.
Will see how it develops in other countries, hopefully there won't be the same issues.
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The rate of climb has been much higher and the death rate a lot higher. Germany actually is a similar age demographic and has 2 deaths to date - that’s an anomaly whichever way you view it
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #773
Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s really interesting. What about japan!!? And is that accurate. I thought we started at the same time as Italy
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No, I heard the UK is a couple of weeks behind.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #774
Grendel said:
The rate of climb has been much higher and the death rate a lot higher. Germany actually is a similar age demographic and has 2 deaths to date - that’s an anomaly whichever way you view it
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I am not sure of how Germany is testing and whether it has a similar attitudie to the UK of who and when they get tested.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #775
Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s really interesting. What about japan!!? And is that accurate. I thought we started at the same time as Italy
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Italy’s first reported case was 6 days after France so it’s rubbish
 
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BornSlippySkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #776
Football's response to coronavirus has been shocking and dangerous - Onefootball
 

MatthewWallis

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #777
Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s really interesting. What about japan!!? And is that accurate. I thought we started at the same time as Italy
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We did. Both countries had their first cases on 31 January. On 22nd Feb i think we had 9 confirmed and on the 17 Feb Italy had 16 and then from there the numbers in Italy have rocketed. I don't really see where the 'weeks behind Italy' stuff is coming from.

There is no evidence that every country is going to see huge numbers so quickly like China or Italy
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #778
Grendel said:
Italy’s first reported case was 6 days after France so it’s rubbish
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The graph? I have asked for the data but it has not been forthcoming.

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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #779
MatthewWallis said:
We did. Both countries had their first cases on 31 January. On 22nd Feb i think we had 9 confirmed and on the 17 Feb Italy had 16 and then from there the numbers in Italy have rocketed. I don't really see where the 'weeks behind Italy' stuff is coming from.

There is no evidence that every country is going to see huge numbers so quickly like China or Italy
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Italy failed at the stage we seem to be doing well at. The containment stage

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #780
David O'Day said:
Italy failed at the stage we seem to be doing well at. The containment stage

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What specific measures is the UK taking to contain it?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #781
Sick Boy said:
What specific measures is the UK taking to contain it?
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None really we have just been luckier at teace the virus back to each point of entry.

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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #782
David O'Day said:
The graph? I have asked for the data but it has not been forthcoming.

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the graph is bollocks
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #783
Sick Boy said:
What specific measures is the UK taking to contain it?
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Blue passports, tea drinking, stiff upper lip, Brexit, ban bloody foreigners from entering. Oh, and contact tracing.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #784
BornSlippySkyBlue said:
Blue passports, tea drinking, stiff upper lip, Brexit, ban bloody foreigners from entering. Oh, and contact tracing.
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CT was done here but I don’t think patient zero was ever identified, seen reports that it was believed to have been a German.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #785
Grendel said:
the graph is bollocks
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I know that's why I publicly asked for the data behind it.

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BornSlippySkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #786
Sick Boy said:
CT was done here but I don’t think patient zero was ever identified, seen reports that it was believed to have been a German.
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I don’t think it has truly been established yet why Italy etc have had more cases. Suggestions have been high levels of chinese immigrants, ageing population, the legendary Italian thumbs up to authority (like the skiers that contravened a lock down zone and tested positive), the physical closeness of italians (very tactile people, lots of kisses etc), the ‘Milan never stops’ thing etc.

I read an article saying that finally the people there are realising it is serious and are now obeying the rules (more so anyway).

Any thoughts on that?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #787
BornSlippySkyBlue said:
I don’t think it has truly been established yet why Italy etc have had more cases. Suggestions have been high levels of chinese immigrants, ageing population, the legendary Italian thumbs up to authority (like the skiers that contravened a lock down zone and tested positive), the physical closeness of italians (very tactile people, lots of kisses etc), the ‘Milan never stops’ thing etc.

I read an article saying that finally the people there are realising it is serious and are now obeying the rules (more so anyway).

Any thoughts on that?
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I agree with most and have said so this morning on here today. There is talk of even more restrictions coming in for the whole of Veneto and Lombardia, which will be fun.
 
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Jcap

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #788
Grim reading!
Thread by @jasonvanschoor: From a well respected friend and intensivist/A&E consultant who is currently in northern Italy: 1/ ‘I feel the pressure to give you a qu…
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

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  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #789
Sick Boy said:
I agree with most and have said so this morning on here today. There is talk of even more restrictions coming in for the whole of Veneto and Lombardia, which will be fun.
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The article i was reading was not very hopeful for Italy’s financial outcome from this. Serious danger of the banks failing in the third biggest eurozone economy (think Greece x 10). Too big to allow to crash, too big to bail out. Italian banks are up to their balls in bad debt and will struggle to withstand the likely economic crash that is imminent. Also Italy’s economy big enough to drag the Eurozone down with it. Suggesting it may have no choice but to exit the EU...

And some are still to this day saying it’s all a fuss over nothing and ‘just the flu’.
Edit: for comparison the bank of england have just taken measures to free up over £200b of lending to business and dropped interest rates. Italian banks have nothing to free up.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #790
BornSlippySkyBlue said:
The article i was reading was not very hopeful for Italy’s financial outcome from this. Serious danger of the banks failing in the third biggest eurozone economy (think Greece x 10). Too big to allow to crash, too big to bail out. Italian banks are up to their balls in bad debt and will struggle to withstand the likely economic crash that is imminent. Also Italy’s economy big enough to drag the Eurozone down with it. Suggesting it may have no choice but to exit the EU...

And some are still to this day saying it’s all a fuss over nothing and ‘just the flu’.
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Or the EU rewriting its own rules, I think.
 

Gibbo

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #791
Grendel said:
Italy’s first reported case was 6 days after France so it’s rubbish
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see my point about the steep Italian curve at the start due to incompetence.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #792
Gibbo said:
see my point about the steep Italian curve at the start due to incompetence.
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Where's the data for your bullshit graph mate? Put up or shut up

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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #793
Gibbo where's the data that shows the uk is less than 2 weeks from being on total.lick down

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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #794
Sick Boy said:
No, I heard the UK is a couple of weeks behind.
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I read 13 days this morning.
Try and check where .
Although the govt has been suggesting that it has been testing heavily there is anecdotal evidence arising that people who need to be tested aren't getting them .
That maybe because they've moved to testing in the wider community to grasp what the spread is .
Would that potentially disable the current count?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #795
wingy said:
I read 13 days this morning.
Try and check where .
Although the govt has been suggesting that it has been testing heavily there is anecdotal evidence arising that people who need to be tested aren't getting them .
That maybe because they've moved to testing in the wider community to grasp what the spread is .
Would that potentially disable the current count?
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There is no evidence of this

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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #796
Gibbo said:
The numbers tell a different story, but hey, who needs facts
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Bump
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #797
David O'Day said:
There is no evidence of this

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It's anecdotal cases reported to media of personal cases
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #798
David O'Day said:
total lick down
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Is that part of the official advice?
 
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Jcap

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #799
FFS, public health crisis, people dying, inadequate government response, yet people on here just want to score points off each other? WTF!
 
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BornSlippySkyBlue

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  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #800
chiefdave said:
Is that part of the official advice?
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The best way of removing the virus from an infected person, total lick down.
 

SeaSeeEffCee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #801
The official UK numbers are probably a lot lower than they actually are given our woeful approach to testing. Countless stories of people having symptoms and not being tested as ‘they haven’t been in contact with a confirmed case’.
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #802
Jcap said:
FFS, public health crisis, people dying, inadequate government response, yet people on here just want to score points off each other? WTF!
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Tbf this forum probably has a large proportion of young(ish) males. I too was invincible when i was 28 and then i got a life changing autoimmune condition just in time for my 30s, triggered by an unidentified viral (flu-lile) respiratory illness incidentally. Despite having had 6 major surgeries since, i have never felt as bad as i did when i had that flu-like illness. Changes your attitude a bit when things like that happen.

Bravado can go fuck.
 
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Jcap

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  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #803
BornSlippySkyBlue said:
Tbf this forum probably has a large proportion of young(ish) males. I too was invincible when i was 28 and then i got a life changing autoimmune condition just in time for my 30s, triggered by an unidentified viral (flu-lile) respiratory illness incidentally. Despite having had 6 major surgeries since, i have never felt as bad as i did when i had that flu-like illness. Changes your attitude a bit when things like that happen.

Bravado can go fuck.
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Sounds like you had it rough mate - just shows how quickly our lives can be affected by something so seemingly trivial like a virus. Stay healthy.
 
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BornSlippySkyBlue

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  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #804
Jcap said:
Sounds like you had it rough mate - just shows how quickly our lives can be affected by something so seemingly trivial like a virus. Stay healthy.
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Thanks. Probably TMI, but I see 20 year old me all over the place at the moment. I’d guess those that have had the full-on actual flu aren’t quite so casual about the whole thing. It isn’t very nice and I just think people need to take this seriously.

For anyone that is unsure if they’ve had the flu, the answer is no. You would know if you had.

I am also medically immunocompromised. And have two snotty children, we rely on others not to be that person that doesn’t give a shit.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #805
wingy said:
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Wingy mate we have asked for the actual data behind this as it looks to be br complete bollocks

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