Non AMP
Sky Blues Talk
  • Home
  • Forums
  • General Discussion
  • Off Topic Chat
This is a mobile optimized page that loads fast, if you want to load the real page, click this text.

Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (32 Viewers)

  • Thread starter BackRoomRummermill
  • Start date Feb 23, 2020
Forums New posts
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 1533
  • 1534
  • 1535
  • 1536
  • 1537
  • …
  • 1666
Next
First Prev 1535 of 1666 Next Last
B

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,691
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's excellent news in a general sense. Still a small sample size, mind you.

I'm still confused by the rush to get everyone boosted so soon, mind you - even more so if it does turn out that cases end up milder. Even more so as they still haven't revised the booking system to do so, so cramming half the UK into a month and a half period could be... interesting!
Click to expand...

I think it might be to do with the evidence on general immunity after the 3rd jab. It could really cut down transmission of Delta also
 
Reactions: CCFCSteve and duffer

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,692
skyblue1991 said:
I thought when viruses mutate they become more transmissible but not as deadly. By that logic the original strain/strains that hit the world in Deb 19 was the worst

Sent from my Pixel 6 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

Viruses can mutate to become either more deadly, or less deadly. At the moment I think the jury is out on the Omicron strain:

We shouldn’t worry when a virus mutates during disease outbreaks - Nature Microbiology

Mutation. The word naturally conjures fears of unexpected and freakish changes. Ill-informed discussions of mutations thrive during virus outbreaks, including the ongoing spread of SARS-CoV-2. In reality, mutations are a natural part of the virus life cycle and rarely impact outbreaks dramatically.
www.nature.com
 
K

Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,693
duffer said:
Viruses can mutate to become either more deadly, or less deadly. At the moment I think the jury is out on the Omicron strain:

We shouldn’t worry when a virus mutates during disease outbreaks - Nature Microbiology

Mutation. The word naturally conjures fears of unexpected and freakish changes. Ill-informed discussions of mutations thrive during virus outbreaks, including the ongoing spread of SARS-CoV-2. In reality, mutations are a natural part of the virus life cycle and rarely impact outbreaks dramatically.
www.nature.com
Click to expand...
See not really true, the chances of a vírus mutating to become deadlier is miniscule, they tend to reduce in potency as you can say over time, its just the natural evoloution of a vírus, they mutate to survive and multiply not to kill the host. (not saying it cant happen but very very very tiny chance of it happening)
 
Reactions: bezzer

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,694
If I could make only one wish with regards to this thread, it's that we should not let anecdotes trump data.

The point of vaccination isn't just to protect the individual, it's to protect everyone.

Politely, I think there's far too much weight here given from some people towards anecdotal evidence, which even in itself is often based on assumptions.

That isn't a sensible path when there's a ton of actual peer-reviewed evidence out there that clearly indicates that the risk of serious illness from Covid, whilst relatively low for most people, is still far, far greater than the risk of a serious adverse reaction to a vaccination.

And of course, vaccination doesn't just benefit the individual, it reduces transmission and benefits all of us.

Less transmission also means less mutations, further reducing risk. I don't really get what's so hard to understand about this.
 
Reactions: Skyblueweeman, bezzer, Sick Boy and 1 other person

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,695
Kieranp96 said:
See not really true, the chances of a vírus mutating to become deadlier is miniscule, they tend to reduce in potency as you can say over time, its just the natural evoloution of a vírus, they mutate to survive and multiply not to kill the host. (not saying it cant happen but very very very tiny chance of it happening)
Click to expand...

Can you link to some actual evidence for this please?
 
Reactions: Sick Boy

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,696
It's this sort of stuff that worries me.

The chance of a virus mutating to be more deadly is certainly not minuscule. There is no evidence to support that proposition.

So, I wonder, why do people say it or take it at face value. I tend to think it's often to justify a purely selfish position - I don't want to vaccinate/wear a mask/socially distance, because I find it personally inconvenient.

There's certainly no need to panic about the new strain, but it's also not sensible to dismiss it.

Fact check: Yes, viruses can mutate to become more deadly

A viral tweet shared online falsely claims viruses never mutate to become more lethal.
www.usatoday.com
 
D

Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,697
duffer said:
There's certainly no need to panic about the new strain, but it's also not sensible to dismiss it.
Click to expand...
This is indeed key. Wait and see seems the best approach.
 
C

CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,698
Nick said:
It may change but the whole premise was get double jabbed, do your bit etc.

I'm by no means anti vax and think I am being chipped but just don't really see an end to it all. Goalposts are moved every week.
Click to expand...

I understand where you’re coming from Nick. I had two jabs and then got Covid in July so I was thinking double jab plus natural immunity, is it even worth having the booster ?!

I decided to earlier in the week due to evidence of waning immunity after 6 months after two jabs (down to 40%) and the booster takes it up past 90% against symptomatic disease.

I couldn’t find any decent data on double jab plus natural immunity but thought with the new variant it may well mean lower vaccine effectiveness so it wasn’t worth the risk

It’s each to their own though. I don’t agree with mandatory vaccines so it’s your call. I don’t think it’s a shifting of goalposts though. They just don’t know how long these vaccines will last against a new virus. As has been said before it feels like it might turn into an annual jab like with the flu
 
C

CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,699
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's excellent news in a general sense. Still a small sample size, mind you.

I'm still confused by the rush to get everyone boosted so soon, mind you - even more so if it does turn out that cases end up milder. Even more so as they still haven't revised the booking system to do so, so cramming half the UK into a month and a half period could be... interesting!
Click to expand...

Yeah, know what you’re saying NW. I think it’s just a numbers game combined with concern over impact of new variant....as simple as boosting everyone’s immunity to minimise hospitalisations. I don’t mind the push for boosters although i felt it was OTT as we were knocking them out at 300-400k per day already (maybe vaccines are getting near use by date ?!!) what has really pissed me off is media whipping it up into a frenzy, people than cancelling Xmas parties etc, it’s crazy. Take some extra precautions by all means, especially around high risk individuals, but let’s see what the data says before collectively shitting ourselves

Edit - what I think is a mistake is pushing GPs to prioritise three month boosters ahead of seeing non vaccine related patients who are likely to be at far greater risk from other issues
 
Last edited: Dec 2, 2021
Reactions: Saddlebrains

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,700
I think increasing how much they pay the GP for the vaccines shows the aim.
 
K

Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,701
duffer said:
Can you link to some actual evidence for this please?
Click to expand...
Just watch a few of dr john campbells videos on youtube, he mentioned it like 1000 times since stary of pandemic,
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,702
How many shops actually care about masks now?

None I have been in even forcing staff to where them.
 
C

CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,703
Nick said:
I think increasing how much they pay the GP for the vaccines shows the aim.
Click to expand...

What’s more interesting is that the GP who tried to inspect an eye complaint over their version of facetime (funny if it wasn’t almost very serious) appears more than happy to make themselves available for the more remunerative face to face jabs !
 
Reactions: CovBrummie94

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,704
CCFCSteve said:
What’s more interesting is that the GP who tried to inspect an eye complaint over their version of facetime (funny if it wasn’t almost very serious) appears more than happy to make themselves available for the more remunerative face to face jabs !
Click to expand...

Oh of course they will be more eager to get people in then.
 
B

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,705
Kieranp96 said:
Just watch a few of dr john campbells videos on youtube, he mentioned it like 1000 times since stary of pandemic,
Click to expand...

OK, but COVID can be passed on before or even without you showing symptoms. Which means that what happens to you after you get it is less important than with viruses that always cause symptoms.

See HIV for a virus that is also asymptomatic and remains similarly deadly.
 
C

CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,706
Nick said:
Oh of course they will be more eager to get people in then.
Click to expand...

I’m all for telephone appointments if it helps clear the GP backlog and/or appropriate for the specifics issues but I’ve had personal experience and heard of far too many occasions where they’re being used incorrectly, almost dangerously.

Back to Covid. Have a think about your booster and do some research about waning immunity. No rush but indications are it’s probably worthwhile
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,707
Kieranp96 said:
Just watch a few of dr john campbells videos on youtube, he mentioned it like 1000 times since stary of pandemic,
Click to expand...

Can you post a link to something that he's published and that contains evidence that the chance of a virus mutating to become more dangerous/transmissible is minuscule, please?

I've linked to actual evidence that you're mistaken in that assumption, you're asking me to wade through hours of YouTube.

You've made a claim, can you point to any actual evidence to back it up.

I'm man enough to hold my hands up if I've got it wrong, I'd just like to see some proof, please.
 
Reactions: Skyblueweeman

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,708
CCFCSteve said:
I’m all for telephone appointments if it helps clear the GP backlog and/or appropriate for the specifics issues but I’ve had personal experience and heard of far too many occasions where they’re being used incorrectly, almost dangerously.

Back to Covid. Have a think about your booster and do some research about waning immunity. No rush but indications are it’s probably worthwhile
Click to expand...

Will wait until I need the doctors for anything and I am sure I will be like a VIP then if I say I might want the booster
 
Reactions: CCFCSteve

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,709
Here we go..

Angela Merkel backs compulsory Covid jabs as Germany agrees de facto lockdown for unvaccinated

German chancellor calls new measures an 'act of national solidarity'
www.telegraph.co.uk
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,710
Grendel said:
Here we go..

Angela Merkel backs compulsory Covid jabs as Germany agrees de facto lockdown for unvaccinated

German chancellor calls new measures an 'act of national solidarity'
www.telegraph.co.uk
Click to expand...
It's shit. This post covid world can get fucked.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,711
Grendel said:
Here we go..

Angela Merkel backs compulsory Covid jabs as Germany agrees de facto lockdown for unvaccinated

German chancellor calls new measures an 'act of national solidarity'
www.telegraph.co.uk
Click to expand...

Culture and leisure nationwide will be open only to those who have been vaccinated or recovered (from Covid)
Click to expand...

Interesting they group people who have had it in with vaccinated.

Absolutely no chance we could police anything like that.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,712
Nick said:
I think increasing how much they pay the GP for the vaccines shows the aim.
Click to expand...

You are turning into a proper conspiracy crank Nick. They pay GPs extra cos the GMS contract that GPs are on does not cover provision of vaccines. Are you suggesting that GPs should set up and staff the vaccine centres for free?
 
Reactions: COV and hill83

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,713
Grendel said:
Here we go..

Angela Merkel backs compulsory Covid jabs as Germany agrees de facto lockdown for unvaccinated

German chancellor calls new measures an 'act of national solidarity'
www.telegraph.co.uk
Click to expand...
The same is coming in in Italy next week.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,714
fernandopartridge said:
You are turning into a proper conspiracy crank Nick. They pay GPs extra cos the GMS contract that GPs are on does not cover provision of vaccines. Are you suggesting that GPs should set up and staff the vaccine centres for free?
Click to expand...

They were paying them for vaccines, weren't they?

It's not a conspiracy to suggest that GPs might be ever so keen to prioritise something they are now getting paid more to do?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,715
Nick said:
They were paying them for vaccines, weren't they?

It's not a conspiracy to suggest that GPs might be ever so keen to prioritise something they are now getting paid more to do?
Click to expand...
They are not prioritising one thing over another at all, they're just being paid for the extra work they're doing. If you really need one you can easily get a face to face appointment (my daughter has had 2 in consecutive days).

If you want to blame anybody don't look at GPs but at the government that has systematically destroyed NHS capacity
 
Reactions: duffer and Sick Boy

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,716
fernandopartridge said:
They are not prioritising one thing over another at all, they're just being paid for the extra work they're doing. If you really need one you can easily get a face to face appointment (my daughter has had 2 in consecutive days).

If you want to blame anybody don't look at GPs but at the government that has systematically destroyed NHS capacity
Click to expand...

I was pointing out the raised amount that GPs will get for vaccines.

Sadly a proper appointment has been like rocking horse shit which I don't mind as I will survive and I hope your daughter is OK.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,717
Nick said:
I was pointing out the raised amount that GPs will get for vaccines.

Sadly a proper appointment has been like rocking horse shit which I don't mind as I will survive and I hope your daughter is OK.
Click to expand...

It does make some sense to try and get GP's to push this because over the whole NHS (and arguably beyond in terms of the economy etc.) getting the vaccines done will have a massive impact in getting us through this and out the other side as quickly as possible. Otherwise this goes on for even longer and the NHS struggles to cope with covid patients along with it's normal work. GP's are probably the part of the NHS that deal with the least serious ailments and identifying more serious ones to be referred. So they're probably the best available place to utilise for vaccine rollout, thus reducing hospitalisations etc and creating capacity problems in hospitals that affect big stuff like cancer ops etc.

In an ideal world we'd be able to just employ other people to do the jabs allowing the doctors/nurses to get on with their main job. But then they'd need to be trained unless you just want some random Joe Public jabbing you in the arm and not only do we not have time for that it's bloody expensive. And they'd want paying too, so the money going to the GP's would only be being spent elsewhere.
 
Reactions: duffer
C

CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,718
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It does make some sense to try and get GP's to push this because over the whole NHS (and arguably beyond in terms of the economy etc.) getting the vaccines done will have a massive impact in getting us through this and out the other side as quickly as possible. Otherwise this goes on for even longer and the NHS struggles to cope with covid patients along with it's normal work. GP's are probably the part of the NHS that deal with the least serious ailments and identifying more serious ones to be referred. So they're probably the best available place to utilise for vaccine rollout, thus reducing hospitalisations etc and creating capacity problems in hospitals that affect big stuff like cancer ops etc.

In an ideal world we'd be able to just employ other people to do the jabs allowing the doctors/nurses to get on with their main job. But then they'd need to be trained unless you just want some random Joe Public jabbing you in the arm and not only do we not have time for that it's bloody expensive. And they'd want paying too, so the money going to the GP's would only be being spent elsewhere.
Click to expand...

To be fair to Nick I think his issue is that some GPs are willing to do the jabs (face to face obviously) but many didn’t/don’t want standard face to face appointments. I appreciate what Fernando said about his daughter, which is great, but every GP surgery is run differently and some (mine being one*) were doing automatic appointment over phone

These surgeries need calling out as it’s dangerous and they are adding pressure onto other parts of NHS like A&E.There are many appointments that can be held over the phone but many that can’t, it should be relatively easy split most of these out and also to offer option to patient

*It may have changed in the past 3-4 weeks but don’t think so.
 
D

Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,719
CCFCSteve said:
some (mine being one*) were doing automatic appointment over phone first.
Click to expand...
Is that actually a problem? Mine do that but, if the doctor decides you need to be seen, you're seen that very day.
 
Reactions: Sky Blue Pete, Deleted member 9744 and Skyblueweeman
C

CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,720
Deleted member 5849 said:
Is that actually a problem? Mine do that but, if the doctor decides you need to be seen, you're seen that very day.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I think so. I ended up going to an optometrist (who was very worried but couldn’t prescribe medication) who gave me a letter and advised me to go to emergency eye clinic immediately. All of which would’ve costs the NHS

How was a doctor ever going to be able to inspect my eye over the phone ? Even if they had called me in after the phone appointment, then he’s wasted two appointments on me ?!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,721
My issue is as Steve said, it does vary between doctors.

Last time I spoke to a doctor they just palmed it off as covid the whole call. I told them I had a negative PCR result that day. "Do another".

Turns out it was an issue with medication.

Of course people need to be paid to do the vaccine but when they are giving a rise in how much per jab to Gps who couldn't give a fuck about you the rest of the time.
 
D

Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,722
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, I think so. I ended up going to an optometrist (who was very worried but couldn’t prescribe medication) who gave me a letter and advised me to go to emergency eye clinic immediately. All of which would’ve costs the NHS

How was a doctor ever going to be able to inspect my eye over the phone ? Even if they had called me in after the phone appointment, then he’s wasted two appointments on me ?!
Click to expand...
It works as a triage with mine though, they filter the ones who just have a cough or a cold - means the doctors have more time to see the ones who actually need seeing.

I mean, take Monday - I have a blood pressure review, but there's no real need to see me in person, as anything they'll find out can be done as easily over the phone.

And if they're worried, I'll be there in the afternoon!
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,723
I just went to sainsburys tile hill and every single person I saw was wearing a mask
 
Reactions: Sky_Blue_Dreamer, AOM, Deleted member 9744 and 1 other person

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,724
Evo1883 said:
I just went to sainsburys tile hill and every single person I saw was wearing a mask
Click to expand...
I went to Morrisons yesterday vast majority were wearing masks. People seem to have got on board with it pretty rapidly.
 
Reactions: AOM

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 2, 2021
  • #53,725
Evo1883 said:
I just went to sainsburys tile hill and every single person I saw was wearing a mask
Click to expand...
Go in the coop round the corner.

The strange thing is, I'll be in a concourse tomorrow with hundreds of others. Does it apply there?
 
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 1533
  • 1534
  • 1535
  • 1536
  • 1537
  • …
  • 1666
Next
First Prev 1535 of 1666 Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 29 (members: 0, guests: 29)
Share:
Facebook Twitter Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email
  • Home
  • Forums
  • General Discussion
  • Off Topic Chat
  • Default Style
  • Contact us
  • Terms and rules
  • Privacy policy
  • Help
  • Home
Community platform by XenForo® © 2010-2021 XenForo Ltd.
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Home
  • Forums
    • New posts
    • Search forums
  • What's new
    • New posts
    • Latest activity
  • Members
    • Current visitors
  • Donate to the Season Ticket Fund
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?