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SBT

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,256
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
There was a flight that went from India to Australia a few weeks ago. All the passengers tested negative before boarding, but when the plane arrived in Australia and they passengers got tested again, around 60 (if I recall) tested positive.

Obviously some really dodgy shit going on there. I'm pretty sure the story has been buried now too. When I searched it another article did show something similar happened on a flight to Italy, but the original story has gone.

Of course banning flights from India was then called racist. Dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.
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Why would the story be buried?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,257
SBT said:
Why would the story be buried?
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I don't know. It has been though.

Air India Carries 30 COVID Positive Travelers To Italy

simpleflying.com

There's proof of the Italy one, but it hasn't been massively covered.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,258
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Called racist by who?
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Australia's India ban criticised as 'racist' rights breach

The threat to jail Australian citizens returning home from India has been widely condemned.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,259
Nick said:
The media are absolutely flogging "indian mutation" aren't they this week?

Constant news app alerts, get fucked.
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Agreed. I understand the concern but what pisses me off is they quote/print some random scientists saying there ‘could be’ 6k-10k hospitalisations per day over the summer in a worst case scenario (more than in Jan/Feb !)...how does that stand up to any kind of scrutiny when, by all accounts, the vaccines are effective against current mutations, even one jab stops hospitalisations by 70%+ in the high risk categories (presume this increases the younger you are) and vaccines reduce transmission maybe by 50% ?! let alone taking into consideration there should be far more outdoor mixing over summer (compared to Dec-Feb)....assuming this shit weather improves soon !

I ‘could be’ a euromillions winner and sleeping with Margot Robbie tonight but realistically I’m (slightly) more likely to be nipping to the local chippy and watching some shit on tv

When a lot of the country are understandably still anxious the media has an important role to play in reporting facts rather peddling hysteria (which most have done throughout the pandemic). They don’t appear happy unless the country is in some high state of anger or anxiety, it’s wrong.

Ps Johnson holding a press conference at 5pm. Let’s hope it’s broadly positive (or at least not negative) news
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,260
CCFCSteve said:
Agreed. I understand the concern but what pisses me off is they quote/print some random scientists saying there ‘could be’ 6k-10k hospitalisations per day over the summer in a worst case scenario (more than in Jan/Feb !)...how does that stand up to any kind of scrutiny when, by all accounts, the vaccines are effective against current mutations, even one jab stops hospitalisations by 70%+ in the high risk categories (presume this increases the younger you are) and vaccines reduce transmission maybe by 50% ?! let alone taking into consideration there should be far more outdoor mixing over summer (compared to Dec-Feb)....assuming this shit weather improves soon !

I ‘could be’ a euromillions winner and sleeping with Margot Robbie tonight but realistically I’m (slightly) more likely to be nipping to the local chippy and watching some shit on tv

When a lot of the country are understandably still anxious the media has an important role to play in reporting facts rather peddling hysteria (which most have done throughout the pandemic). They don’t appear happy unless the country is in some high state of anger or anxiety, it’s wrong.

Ps Johnson holding a press conference at 5pm. Let’s hope it’s broadly positive (or at least not negative) news
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Really hope there is no tiering systems talked about again after the outbreaks in Bolton and that.
 
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SBT

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,261
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I don't know. It has been though.

Air India Carries 30 COVID Positive Travelers To Italy

simpleflying.com

There's proof of the Italy one, but it hasn't been massively covered.
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There's been tons of coverage of flights between India and Australia with COVID-positive passengers on board. And as others say, the media is jumping all over this story. I think it's more likely that you're getting mixed up than there being some kind of conspiracy to cover up COVID in India.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,262
SBT said:
There's been tons of coverage of flights between India and Australia with COVID-positive passengers on board. And as others say, the media is jumping all over this story. I think it's more likely that you're getting mixed up than there being some kind of conspiracy to cover up COVID in India.
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I'm not, and it is a bit arrogant to assume that.

There was a specific case which I was talking about that I can no longer find any links to.

It's pretty clear at this stage there has been flights leaving India with Covid-positive passengers that the authorities have not wanted people to know about. How do they all test negative before departure, but 12 hours later suddenly test positive? I'm not just talking about 'A few cabin crew', to save you the effort of trying to post a link in response.

The situation stinks.
 
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SBT

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,263
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I'm not, and it is a bit arrogant to assume that.

There was a specific case which I was talking about that I can no longer find any links to.

It's pretty clear at this stage there has been flights leaving India with Covid-positive passengers that the authorities have not wanted people to know about. How do they all test negative before departure, but 12 hours later suddenly test positive? I'm not just talking about 'A few cabin crew', to save you the effort of trying to post a link in response.

The situation stinks.
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Does the dog eat your homework often, or does he just like the stuff about incoming flights?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,264
SBT said:
Does the dog eat your homework often, or does he just like the stuff about incoming flights?
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My dog is sitting right next to me right now actually. He's quite selective about what post he attacks when it comes through the door, so you might be onto something.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,265
Nick said:
The media are absolutely flogging "indian mutation" aren't they this week?

Constant news app alerts, get fucked.
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Its a fucking joke, just hope Boris doesn't cave in again we've all had enough of this
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,266
Boris at 5 with Chris Whitty. Related to Monday!? What do we reckon?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,267
Sky Blue Pete said:
Boris at 5 with Chris Whitty. Related to Monday!? What do we reckon?
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LOCK THE WORLD DOWN BECAUSE OF IT.

How many people will kill themselves today?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,268
Lock us down and throw away the key
 
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Deleted member 11652

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,269
Ccfcisparks said:
Lock us down and throw away the key
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The amount of people on this thread who will get a hard on reading that
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,270
Sky Blue Pete said:
Boris at 5 with Chris Whitty. Related to Monday!? What do we reckon?
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Who knows, but I just got offered a jab today. Bear in mind I'm 29. That's pretty good going.

There is a big thing going on about SAGE, but to be honest I'm trying to stay away from the news.
 
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PVA

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,271
I’m as ready for 21st June as anyone else. But the people who complain about constant/extended lockdowns as if it’s some kind of conspiracy, what do you think ‘they’ (whoever ‘they’ are) gain from extending it?

They don’t put lockdowns in place (or extend them) for shits and giggles, it’s done for valid reasons – i.e. saving lives.

I don’t expect (or want) the 21st June date to be extended though.

If anything, the people wanting lockdown extended the most seem to be people like Dom and Boosh so they can complain about lockdown being extended.
 

chiefdave

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,272
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I don't know. It has been though.

Air India Carries 30 COVID Positive Travelers To Italy

simpleflying.com

There's proof of the Italy one, but it hasn't been massively covered.
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The cases cominging into the UK are covered on The BBC website.
A briefing document drawn up by officials at Public Health England shows that between 25 March and 7 April, 3,345 arrivals from India were registered in UK border travel data. Of those 161 - or 4.8% - tested positive for Covid-19 after a PCR test.
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,273
chiefdave said:
The cases cominging into the UK are covered on The BBC website.
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Yes, I know. The point I was making was two fold:

1) The pre-flight tests that are happening in India before departure are obviously either faked, or at best, shite.
2) There was one incident about a flight that went to Australia where there were no cases on departure, but a shit load on arrival. That article has now gone.

Something is clearly not quite right.
 
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Deleted member 11652

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,274
PVA said:
I’m as ready for 21st June as anyone else. But the people who complain about constant/extended lockdowns as if it’s some kind of conspiracy, what do you think ‘they’ (whoever ‘they’ are) gain from extending it?

They don’t put lockdowns in place (or extend them) for shits and giggles, it’s done for valid reasons – i.e. saving lives.

I don’t expect (or want) the 21st June date to be extended though.

If anything, the people wanting lockdown extended the most seem to be people like Dom and Boosh so they can complain about lockdown being extended.
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Are you having a laugh mate I wanna get back in the pub. Sitting outside the Oak and Quidds is shite get me in the Colly
 
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chiefdave

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,275
Nick said:
How many people will kill themselves today?
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Absolute needs to be more help for people with mental health issues. Its an area that has seen huge cuts it recent years as its seen as a soft target compared to cutting something like caner treatment.
ONS said:
4,902 suicides were registered in England in 2020, equivalent to a provisional rate of 9.9 suicide deaths per 100,000 people; this represents a statistically significant reduction in the rate from 2019 when there were 10.8 suicide deaths per 100,000, but caution is required in the interpretation of this decrease.

The reduction in the number of suicides registered in 2020 from the previous year most likely reflects delays to coroner inquests, because of the impact of the coronavirus pandemic, as opposed to a genuine decrease in suicide.
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fernandopartridge

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,276
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Yes, I know. The point I was making was two fold:

1) The pre-flight tests that are happening in India before departure are obviously either faked, or at best, shite.
2) There was one incident about a flight that went to Australia where there were no cases on departure, but a shit load on arrival. That article has now gone.

Something is clearly not quite right.
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Is it not just a different type of test? Doubt it'll be a PCR to get on a flight or even if it is, given the testing turnaround and the risk on the flight itself, not unreasonable to assume that people were not infected at the point of test.
Other other possibility is that they just did the unreliable LFD test prior to getting on the flight which has then been contradicted by the PCR test on arrival.
 

chiefdave

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,277
CCFCSteve said:
Agreed. I understand the concern but what pisses me off is they quote/print some random scientists saying there ‘could be’ 6k-10k hospitalisations per day over the summer in a worst case scenario (more than in Jan/Feb !)...how does that stand up to any kind of scrutiny when, by all accounts, the vaccines are effective against current mutations, even one jab stops hospitalisations by 70%+ in the high risk categories (presume this increases the younger you are) and vaccines reduce transmission maybe by 50% ?! let alone taking into consideration there should be far more outdoor mixing over summer (compared to Dec-Feb)....assuming this shit weather improves soon !
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Blame the University of Warwick they're doing the modelling! But they aren't just picking numbers out of thin air or trying to get lockdown extended. If you read their report they give different figures dependent on how much of an increase in transmission the Indian variant brings which at the moment is an unknown factor.

So use the January peak of 3,768 hospitalisations a day. Their modelling, which takes into account the number of people vaccinated suggests that anything above 20% increase in transmission is a major problem. So we have to hope it is established the rate is below that. But the figures ramp up quickly. 40% increase in transmission and even with vaccinations the modelling suggests 6,000 hospital admissions per day if restrictions are removed as planned.

People need to stop thinking we've vaccinated the old and at risk so we're good to go, the science doesn't back that up.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,278
chiefdave said:
Blame the University of Warwick they're doing the modelling! But they aren't just picking numbers out of thin air or trying to get lockdown extended. If you read their report they give different figures dependent on how much of an increase in transmission the Indian variant brings which at the moment is an unknown factor.

So use the January peak of 3,768 hospitalisations a day. Their modelling, which takes into account the number of people vaccinated suggests that anything above 20% increase in transmission is a major problem. So we have to hope it is established the rate is below that. But the figures ramp up quickly. 40% increase in transmission and even with vaccinations the modelling suggests 6,000 hospital admissions per day if restrictions are removed as planned.

People need to stop thinking we've vaccinated the old and at risk so we're good to go, the science doesn't back that up.
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I’m not for a minute saying because we’ve vaccinated the old and at risk everything is fine Dave, we were talking about modelling/the media. I’m also no ‘modeller’, however, just applying logic and questioning whether peddling worst case scenarios that appear to (hopefully) be improbable/impossible is good for the mental health of the nation ?

How on earth do we get from a January peak of £4k hospitalisations per day when hardly anyone was vaccinated and if people met up it was probably indoors/households over Xmas etc, to 6k-10k hospitalisations a day when 36m have received once dose (19m two doses) and when people are likely to be able to mix more outdoors ? Also at current rates by the end of June I’m guessing it will be 40m+ single dose and 30m+ two doses. That’s not to mention those that have had it and are unlikely to catch it again.

The modellers have been pretty poor throughout (understandable due to them dealing with an unknown virus) but the press/media consistently picking worst case scenarios that at best appear improbable and splashing them over headlines, is unhealthy
 
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David O'Day

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,279
The 5pm conference looks to be about surge vaccinations

UK to allow ‘surge vaccination’ in Covid hotspots hit by Indian variant

PM to outline how government will counter sharp rise in infections linked to B.1.617.2 variant
www.theguardian.com

Something they were dead against until Blackburn w/Darwin council just went ahead and announced it anyway
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 14, 2021
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AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,281
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Who knows, but I just got offered a jab today. Bear in mind I'm 29. That's pretty good going.

There is a big thing going on about SAGE, but to be honest I'm trying to stay away from the news.
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Still nothing, I’m 30.
 

jordan210

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,282
Having looked over some data.

The reason I hope we are seeing an uptick in Indian variant is due to it affecting travellers who returned from India. Who live in close family settings of multi generational.

The attack rate outside this environment is low.
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,283
Deleted member 5849 said:
AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH
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You shouldn't post whilst being jabbed NW!
 

robbiekeane

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,284
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Yes, I know. The point I was making was two fold:

1) The pre-flight tests that are happening in India before departure are obviously either faked, or at best, shite.
2) There was one incident about a flight that went to Australia where there were no cases on departure, but a shit load on arrival. That article has now gone.

Something is clearly not quite right.
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Not really.
Get a test 24 hours before takeoff. Negative. Get in a taxi to the airport with a cab driver whose drive twenty people around that day. Get covid.
Get into your full flight with everyone else and everyone gets it.

It’s not all some big conspiracy, it’s quite possible
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,285
David O'Day said:
The 5pm conference looks to be about surge vaccinations

UK to allow ‘surge vaccination’ in Covid hotspots hit by Indian variant

PM to outline how government will counter sharp rise in infections linked to B.1.617.2 variant
www.theguardian.com

Something they were dead against until Blackburn w/Darwin council just went ahead and announced it anyway
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It’s always been in the table. I read that PHE were originally against it, presumably because it moved away from original plans/logistically it might make it trickier. Makes sense though. I guess how many you can deploy quickly will be the question (especially if the vaccines are being diverted from elsewhere in the country where you know they could be administered at a certain rate)
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,286
robbiekeane said:
Not really.
Get a test 24 hours before takeoff. Negative. Get in a taxi to the airport with a cab driver whose drive twenty people around that day. Get covid.
Get into your full flight with everyone else and everyone gets it.

It’s not all some big conspiracy, it’s quite possible
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Sure, believe what you want.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,287
Compulsory vaccination please for the selfish idiots who have had the chance to get one for months and now see fit to spread variants around.
 

baldy

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,288
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Compulsory vaccination please for the selfish idiots who have had the chance to get one for months and now see fit to spread variants around.
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It's personal choice though surely? People don't have to have one if they don't want
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,289
baldy said:
It's personal choice though surely? People don't have to have one if they don't want
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Not if it triggers more NHS burden because they believed some bullshit on Facebook
 
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baldy

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  • May 14, 2021
  • #45,290
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not if it triggers more NHS burden because they believed some bullshit on Facebook
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A 'burden'....yet the new hospitals built ie the Nightingale etc weren't even used - pffffffffffft
 
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