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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #44,941
shmmeee said:
C+ you’ve done better.

Seriously though “individual freedom”? What do you think literally every political movement ever was trying to achieve? You think people are voting for less freedom?

“Substance”, “competence”, again, literally every voter ever votes for this stuff.

The point you’re spectacularly missing is the entire endeavour of politics exists because these are subjective and competing concepts.
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #44,942
Grendel said:
I voted for them in the thatcher years - I was “president” of my university society and remember attended a meeting with a load of boring unfortunates who were demanding a big collection for the miners and the Marxist Scargill. I offered an alternate motion to collect for the police - I made a lot of friends that day.
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Yeah me too shaking bucket's outside New Street and the Bullring.
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #44,943
Grendel said:
And the majority always know what good food tastes like. You really need to find something better than tripe and onions - honestly there’s better out there
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5 donuts a day for 75p from Safeway can keep you going for 3 days of the week ,then egg or cheese on toast for the next 3 .
A whole chicken for Sunday and your away.
 

Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #44,944
So what do we reckon?

21st June will be the day normality returns? Its looking promising at the moment
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #44,945
Saddlebrains said:
So what do we reckon?

21st June will be the day normality returns? Its looking promising at the moment
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Hope so .
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #44,946
For the record I think we should keep the thread to the topic ,as the politics thread is there for the other stuff.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #44,947
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Ridiculous stuff from the EU really

Coronavirus: EU sues AstraZeneca over vaccine delivery delays - BBC News

Do these cretins not understand that primary manufacture of vaccines, medicines or whatever else technical is often beset by issues that are complex in nature and take time to solve?
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It's just playing to the crowd isn't it? The contracts that were posted up implied no absolute commitment as far as I could see
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #44,948
fernandopartridge said:
It's just playing to the crowd isn't it? The contracts that were posted up implied no absolute commitment as far as I could see
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It won't make the vaccines arrive any sooner
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #44,949
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It won't make the vaccines arrive any sooner
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Some countries aren’t using it are they?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #44,950
Sky Blue Pete said:
Some countries aren’t using it are they?
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Only Denmark I thought
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 26, 2021
  • #44,951
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Only Denmark I thought
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Not sure about USA.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 27, 2021
  • #44,952
wingy said:
Not sure about USA.
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They've not even approved it and have been sitting on millions of doses. They're now going to 'share' them with the rest of the world - doubt they'll even use it over there.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 27, 2021
  • #44,953
Sick Boy said:
They've not even approved it and have been sitting on millions of doses.
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They are however going to release some, soon. Suspect that wouldn't have happened under the previous incumbent.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 27, 2021
  • #44,954
Deleted member 5849 said:
They are however going to release some, soon. Suspect that wouldn't have happened under the previous incumbent.
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Think you must have missed my update
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Apr 27, 2021
  • #44,955
Sick Boy said:
They've not even approved it and have been sitting on millions of doses. They're now going to 'share' them with the rest of the world - doubt they'll even use it over there.
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Yep....and if thats not purely the result of the USA big pharma lobby....I'll eat my hat.

Why allow a "cost price" european vaccine into their domestic market when you've already got pfizer, moderna & Johnson johnson.......

......ker-ching
 
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ovduk78

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  • Apr 27, 2021
  • #44,956
My friend in Brussels has just told me that 150,000 elderly Belgians have refused the vaccine. Surely they will have to continue to isolate or risk infection and the figures will rise. I wonder what the figures are like in the UK.
 

jordan210

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  • Apr 27, 2021
  • #44,957
booking for vaccine is at 42+age range now
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Apr 27, 2021
  • #44,958
ovduk78 said:
My friend in Brussels has just told me that 150,000 elderly Belgians have refused the vaccine. Surely they will have to continue to isolate or risk infection and the figures will rise. I wonder what the figures are like in the UK.
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One would assume if you refuse the vaccine, you consider the risk of infection less than the risk of Covid, so wouldn't want to isolate anyway.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Apr 27, 2021
  • #44,959
Here's a slightly more bizarre report however:

Millions Are Skipping Their Second Doses of Covid Vaccines (Published 2021)

Nearly 8 percent of those who got initial Pfizer or Moderna shots missed their second doses. State officials want to prevent the numbers from rising.
www.nytimes.com

Now having got the first... why on earth wouldn't you finish it off?!?
 
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ovduk78

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  • Apr 27, 2021
  • #44,960
Deleted member 5849 said:
One would assume if you refuse the vaccine, you consider the risk of infection less than the risk of Covid, so wouldn't want to isolate anyway.
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That's how I see it too. I know the vaccines aren't 100% but surely it will affect the way Belgium plans to reduce it's restrictions.
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 27, 2021
  • #44,961
Are the US donating the unused vaccine or selling it on?
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Yep....and if thats not purely the result of the USA big pharma lobby....I'll eat my hat.

Why allow a "cost price" european vaccine into their domestic market when you've already got pfizer, moderna & Johnson johnson.......
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Who is footing the bill? Assume you don't get charged for the vaccine even in the US so is the government picking up the tab at over-inflated prices? Is treatment covered as well or are huge numbers of American's going to be paying for this for decades to come?
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 27, 2021
  • #44,962
chiefdave said:
Are the US donating the unused vaccine or selling it on?

Who is footing the bill? Assume you don't get charged for the vaccine even in the US so is the government picking up the tab at over-inflated prices? Is treatment covered as well or are huge numbers of American's going to be paying for this for decades to come?
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also the big pharma line falls as the doses they have in storage are already paid for.

It's more likely just a case of they have enough vaccines from other brands.

Germany is looking at offering a vaccine to all by June so they are finally getting it together
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 27, 2021
  • #44,963
Both my parents have had their second dose now, which is excellent as well as my GF and her parents

Bizarrely we were out walking in a field on Sunday and an old lady was out walking too and berated me for having a mask around my chin and my girlfriend for not wearing one - needless to say the explosive Italian temper of my GF appeared.
 

Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #44,964
"Get ready for a 'normal' summer: Nearly 70% of adults in England now have coronavirus antibodies" Nearly 70% of adults in England now have coronavirus antibodies






This makes me hard
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #44,965
Saddlebrains said:
"Get ready for a 'normal' summer: Nearly 70% of adults in England now have coronavirus antibodies" Nearly 70% of adults in England now have coronavirus antibodies
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I'm going to take a believe it when I see it stance I think. Events over the summer, well past the date that restrictions are supposedly being removed, are being cancelled on a daily basis - I've already had two today and one was a relatively small outdoor event that's not until September!

Having said that 70% was the lower end figure that was being mentioned for herd immunity, although I've also seen it as high as the mid-90s, so hopefully as restrictions are removed we won't see a surge in cases. Some good news today about transmission following vaccination as well.

Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study

People who get coronavirus after their first jab are up to 49% less likely to pass it on, research suggests.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #44,966
chiefdave said:
I'm going to take a believe it when I see it stance I think.
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Depends who you want to listen to atm, it's all speculation.
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #44,967
The transmission news really is fantastic.

We have had enough data to understand the vaccine stops serious illness and hospitalisation in 92%+ of cases.


But to see that halving transmission is possible too really does bode well.


I got burnt last summer on here by being too vocal on normality needing to return, so more cautious this time round. However i will say, it definitely does look like were in the home stretch
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #44,968
Deleted member 5849 said:

Depends who you want to listen to atm, it's all speculation.
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The only thing you can be certain of is if we get to June and people lose their heads we could be back in the shit again
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #44,969
Deleted member 5849 said:

Depends who you want to listen to atm, it's all speculation.
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Always knew you were a Telegraph subscriber.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #44,970
Saddlebrains said:
The transmission news really is fantastic.

We have had enough data to understand the vaccine stops serious illness and hospitalisation in 92%+ of cases.


But to see that halving transmission is possible too really does bode well.


I got burnt last summer on here by being too vocal on normality needing to return, so more cautious this time round. However i will say, it definitely does look like were in the home stretch
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The problem is that it’s a global pandemic, so we’re probably several years away from a return to true normality.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #44,971
David O'Day said:
The only thing you can be certain of is if we get to June and people lose their heads we could be back in the shit again
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I think a lot of people are still fairly cautious about it so I think it'll be fine. I don't get why the Torygraph is so bothered about social distancing, it needn't negatively impact your experience of going to a pub.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #44,972
Sick Boy said:
Always knew you were a Telegraph subscriber.
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The beauty of their twitter threads!
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #44,973
fernandopartridge said:
I think a lot of people are still fairly cautious about it so I think it'll be fine. I don't get why the Torygraph is so bothered about social distancing, it needn't negatively impact your experience of going to a pub.
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It does though, I like to be able to just go to any pub I fancy and see if there is anyone I know in there,

These days if see someone you know you can just about wave across the bar at their table.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #44,974
David O'Day said:
The only thing you can be certain of is if we get to June and people lose their heads we could be back in the shit again
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That's been my concern really. Look at Wembley this weekend, a condition of entry was masks being worn at all times which was totally ignored. If minimal restrictions remain in place to allow things to open and people ignore them we risk going backwards.

We should be able to get some data from other countries as they open up which will help with the decision making.

Despite Tennessee being described in December as 'the number one hot spot for transmission for the coronavirus in the entire world', and right down in the basement for percentage of the population vaccinated they are planning to drop all restrictions in time for Memorial Day on the basis it will be six weeks since vaccinations were offered and the slowest working vaccination takes six weeks to reach full effectiveness. They're even planning a Let Freedom Sing concert in Nashville where they're expecting about 200K people to turn up! Seems madness.
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 28, 2021
  • #44,975
Vaccine passports on the way to the surprise of nobody.

COVID-19: NHS app to be used as coronavirus passport for international travel, Grant Shapps confirms

The transport secretary tells Sky News he will soon set out details of which countries have made it on to a "green list".
news.sky.com
 
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