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djr8369

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,376
David O'Day said:
It's logarithmic, which is fine for non linear numbers but gives the impression of data points being similar when they are not
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The numbers are non linear.


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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,377
Sky Blue Pete said:
Ok I think I understand but it means Italy looks like it’s plateauing rather than increasing at an exponential rate at the moment
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That's an issue with scale, once you get that high it is such a big array of numbers they can still be shooting up but looking like at is plateauing on the graph.
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,378
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,379
David O'Day said:
That's an issue with scale, once you get that high it is such a big array of numbers they can still be shooting up but looking like at is plateauing on the graph.
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Course
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,380
riyadhskyblue said:
David, old chap, stand down. Flights are not happening because of potential loss of slots. Under normal flying circumstances yes I would agree but these are not normal circumstances. I am actually isolated in Riyadh until this virus thing is over and means that flights can resume.
You really shouldn't respond unless you know something more than the U.K. government sent a letter to the EU. You come off looking like the village idiot and we all know that is not the case.
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Cool so you are just making things up now.

Richie will be saddened
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,381
Sky Blue Pete said:
Ok I think I understand but it means Italy looks like it’s plateauing rather than increasing at an exponential rate at the moment
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Because the rate of infection might be starting to slow. That’s why that scale is used, you can see the rate of change.


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Brylowes

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,382
Things are gonna get messy !!!

 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,383
PVA said:
Hahah the irony of this.

You are just reading the graph the way you want to. You're upset it doesn't back up your previous opinions.

You keep banging on about the scale but that does not mean the data is incorrect. We have more deaths at this stage (6 days after the 10th death) than Italy dead. You cannot dispute that regardless of how much you dislike the scale.
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No one has said the data is incorrect, it's be represented in a way that will make the casual viewer come to the conclusion the creator wants them to rather than the actuality of the situation.

Also it doesn't plug in any other variables such as demographics, population density and the father health service in Lombardy collapses and their cases shot up after this. You can see this better on a linear scale.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,384
Brighton Sky Blue said:
No and we might be down to statutory pay.
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WHAT!,!?!?
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,385
David O'Day said:
That's an issue with scale, once you get that high it is such a big array of numbers they can still be shooting up but looking like at is plateauing on the graph.
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Sorry but you really have missed the point of the chart.

I'm sure everyone else is fed up of hearing the arguments about scales so I will keep posting the updates but won't respond to any more queries/arguments about the scale
 
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NortonSkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,386
David O'Day said:
Cool so you are just making things up now.

Richie will be saddened
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David, let's look at my name on here for the past 6 years and use that as a clue to where I am. Now Saudi Arabia is on total lockdown. That's means no international flights in or out David.
Finally my work place has said that there is no work so stay at home. I can't leave the country and I can't work. Just how exciting is that for me to make up?
You seem like an intelligent chap(stop sniggering at the back)
 
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mark_ccfc

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,387
MalcSB said:
He’s seeing double.
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Triple.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,388
BornSlippySkyBlue said:
He’s always been a grade A twat. Fact.
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Tapping the phone of a dead girl. Yeah proper c**t
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,389
Brylowes said:
Things are gonna get messy !!!

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make sure you use a roach
 
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BornSlippySkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,390
Skybluefaz said:
Tapping the phone of a dead girl. Yeah proper c**t
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And yet he likes to take the moral high-ground at every turn. Sums up modern pop-culture, rich and famous for being a c**t.
 
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BornSlippySkyBlue

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,391
dubed said:
make sure you use a roach
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You planning on smoking it afterwards?
 
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eastwoodsdustman

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,392
BornSlippySkyBlue said:
You planning on smoking it afterwards?
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good shit?
 
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mark_ccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,393
PVA said:
*runs*

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Shouldn't these graphs be represented as % of population rather than number of deaths as there is a wide range of populations between these countries.
 

eastwoodsdustman

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,394
PVA said:
*runs*

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The one caveat with that is that it's highly unlikely that the Chinese have been open and truthful with their 'stats'. I genuinely believe that its probably been ten times more or worse still than they have let in.
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,395
 
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Happy_Martian

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,396
Elite football in England suspended until April 30th

Coronavirus: Elite football in England suspended until at least 30 April
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,397
mark_ccfc said:
Shouldn't these graphs be represented as % of population rather than number of deaths as there is a wide range of populations between these countries.
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From the chart creator:

"And here’s why these numbers aren’t adjusted for population: Normalised numbers are good at showing *relatively* how much strain a country is under, but they’re unsuited to tracking the extent/state of a country’s outbreak, which spreads at ~same pace regardless of country size.

Imagine two petri dishes, one small and one large. Same bacteria will spread across them at same rate [until it reaches edge of dish]."
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,398
djr8369 said:
Because the rate of infection might be starting to slow. That’s why that scale is used, you can see the rate of change.


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Italy deaths were the most they’ve ever been yesterday it’s not slowing !!!! The graph suggests it is and if isn’t. That’s daft surely
 
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Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,399
Sky Blue Pete said:
Italy deaths were the most they’ve ever been yesterday it’s not slowing !!!! The graph suggests it is and if isn’t. That’s daft surely
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Why are people so bloody hung up on how nice the graphs look? The figures are all there
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,400
Sky Blue Pete said:
Italy deaths were the most they’ve ever been yesterday it’s not slowing !!!! The graph suggests it is and if isn’t. That’s daft surely
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They also have 2,500 in intensive care. Try extrapolating 1.33% against our number of deaths and you reach half a million in a month
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,401
Sky Blue Pete said:
Italy deaths were the most they’ve ever been yesterday it’s not slowing !!!! The graph suggests it is and if isn’t. That’s daft surely
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In numbers but not as a percentage.


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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,402
Sky Blue Pete said:
Italy deaths were the most they’ve ever been yesterday it’s not slowing !!!! The graph suggests it is and if isn’t. That’s daft surely
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But may take 10-14 days to evidence?
 

Blind-Faith

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,403
Happy_Martian said:
Elite football in England suspended until April 30th

Coronavirus: Elite football in England suspended until at least 30 April
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This virus is starting to fuck me off! No football , no horse racing , no cricket, no darts , wtf am I supposed to watch and bet on?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,404
Grendel said:
This is just a lottery system and I don’t see how it will work as universities will just be over subscribed
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Assuming international students come in the same numbers, which is one hell of an assumption. Also forgetting that students get multiple offers so not every offer can be taken up.

mark_ccfc said:
Shouldn't these graphs be represented as % of population rather than number of deaths as there is a wide range of populations between these countries.
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No. You’re tracking the scale and pace of the outbreak not the relative load on the country. Outbreak pace is the same everywhere, total population would just determine when it starts to peak.
 
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cc84cov

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,405
Too many people on here making graphs tbh
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,406
Taken from the BBC- people who've not survived as % recorded cases- Germany clearly the anomaly

You learn something every day- I never heard of Eswatini...

1 Cayman Islands 1 1 100.0%
2 Sudan 2 1 50.0%
3 Curaçao 3 1 33.3%
4 Guatemala 6 1 16.7%
5 Guyana 7 1 14.3%
6 Ukraine 16 2 12.5%
7 Cuba 10 1 10.0%
8 Algeria 74 7 9.5%
9 Philippines 202 19 9.4%
10 San Marino 119 11 9.2%
11 Indonesia 227 19 8.4%
12 Italy 35,713 2,978 8.3%
13 Iraq 164 12 7.3%
14 Bangladesh 14 1 7.1%
15 Jamaica 15 1 6.7%
16 Iran 17,361 1,135 6.5%
17 Dominican Republic 34 2 5.9%
18 Burkina Faso 20 1 5.0%
19 Martinique 23 1 4.3%
20 Spain 14,769 638 4.3%
21 China 81,155 3,249 4.0%
22 UK 2,628 103 3.9%
23 Morocco 54 2 3.7%
24 Albania 59 2 3.4%
25 Japan 889 29 3.3%
26 Lebanon 133 4 3.0%
27 Azerbaijan 34 1 2.9%
28 Egypt 210 6 2.9%
29 Netherlands 2,051 58 2.8%
30 Moldova 36 1 2.8%
31 France 9,045 243 2.7%
32 Bulgaria 92 2 2.2%
33 Argentina 97 2 2.1%
34 Ecuador 168 3 1.8%
35 India 169 3 1.8%
36 Poland 287 5 1.7%
37 Hungary 58 1 1.7%
38 USA 9,403 150 1.6%
39 Costa Rica 69 1 1.4%
40 Canada 727 9 1.2%
41 Greece 418 5 1.2%
42 Switzerland 3,067 33 1.1%
43 South Korea 8,565 91 1.1%
44 Australia 568 6 1.1%
45 Turkey 191 2 1.0%
46 Luxembourg 203 2 1.0%
47 Diamond Princess cruise ship 712 7 1.0%
48 Slovakia 105 1 1.0%
49 Belgium 1,486 14 0.9%
50 Taiwan 108 1 0.9%
51 Panama 109 1 0.9%
52 Sweden 1,301 10 0.8%
53 Brazil 529 4 0.8%
54 Pakistan 307 2 0.7%
55 Ireland 366 2 0.5%
56 Thailand 212 1 0.5%
57 Iceland 250 1 0.4%
58 Bahrain 256 1 0.4%
59 Denmark 1,059 4 0.4%
60 Norway 1,601 6 0.4%
61 Slovenia 286 1 0.3%
62 Portugal 642 2 0.3%
63 Austria 1,843 5 0.3%
64 Malaysia 790 2 0.3%
65 Germany 12,327 28 0.2%
 
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skybluesam66

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,407
From a football point of view, they should take the close season now -
Preseason in June
July and August to finish Existing season (by which time i think we will have passed the peak) keep september free for contingency and then take next season from October to end of May - Cancelling play offs for 1 season and cancelling the league cup and Leasing .com trophy

Can then go into Euros, and from the following season back to plan (or at least plan including Qatar world cup)
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,408
shmmeee said:
Assuming international students come in the same numbers, which is one hell of an assumption. Also forgetting that students get multiple offers so not every offer can be taken up.



No. You’re tracking the scale and pace of the outbreak not the relative load on the country. Outbreak pace is the same everywhere, total population would just determine when it starts to peak.
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I think the University system will be in for a major shock in the coming years re international students.
Our city being majorly exposed.
 
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skybluesam66

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,409
Ring Of Steel said:
Taken from the BBC- people who've not survived as % recorded cases- Germany clearly the anomaly

You learn something every day- I never heard of Eswatini...

1 Cayman Islands 1 1 100.0%
2 Sudan 2 1 50.0%
3 Curaçao 3 1 33.3%
4 Guatemala 6 1 16.7%
5 Guyana 7 1 14.3%
6 Ukraine 16 2 12.5%
7 Cuba 10 1 10.0%
8 Algeria 74 7 9.5%
9 Philippines 202 19 9.4%
10 San Marino 119 11 9.2%
11 Indonesia 227 19 8.4%
12 Italy 35,713 2,978 8.3%
13 Iraq 164 12 7.3%
14 Bangladesh 14 1 7.1%
15 Jamaica 15 1 6.7%
16 Iran 17,361 1,135 6.5%
17 Dominican Republic 34 2 5.9%
18 Burkina Faso 20 1 5.0%
19 Martinique 23 1 4.3%
20 Spain 14,769 638 4.3%
21 China 81,155 3,249 4.0%
22 UK 2,628 103 3.9%
23 Morocco 54 2 3.7%
24 Albania 59 2 3.4%
25 Japan 889 29 3.3%
26 Lebanon 133 4 3.0%
27 Azerbaijan 34 1 2.9%
28 Egypt 210 6 2.9%
29 Netherlands 2,051 58 2.8%
30 Moldova 36 1 2.8%
31 France 9,045 243 2.7%
32 Bulgaria 92 2 2.2%
33 Argentina 97 2 2.1%
34 Ecuador 168 3 1.8%
35 India 169 3 1.8%
36 Poland 287 5 1.7%
37 Hungary 58 1 1.7%
38 USA 9,403 150 1.6%
39 Costa Rica 69 1 1.4%
40 Canada 727 9 1.2%
41 Greece 418 5 1.2%
42 Switzerland 3,067 33 1.1%
43 South Korea 8,565 91 1.1%
44 Australia 568 6 1.1%
45 Turkey 191 2 1.0%
46 Luxembourg 203 2 1.0%
47 Diamond Princess cruise ship 712 7 1.0%
48 Slovakia 105 1 1.0%
49 Belgium 1,486 14 0.9%
50 Taiwan 108 1 0.9%
51 Panama 109 1 0.9%
52 Sweden 1,301 10 0.8%
53 Brazil 529 4 0.8%
54 Pakistan 307 2 0.7%
55 Ireland 366 2 0.5%
56 Thailand 212 1 0.5%
57 Iceland 250 1 0.4%
58 Bahrain 256 1 0.4%
59 Denmark 1,059 4 0.4%
60 Norway 1,601 6 0.4%
61 Slovenia 286 1 0.3%
62 Portugal 642 2 0.3%
63 Austria 1,843 5 0.3%
64 Malaysia 790 2 0.3%
65 Germany 12,327 28 0.2%
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That will only be based on testing
if all were tested, the real cases would be much higher, and death % much lower
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 19, 2020
  • #4,410
skybluesam66 said:
That will only be based on testing
if all were tested, the real cases would be much higher, and death % much lower
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Yep, hence based on recorded cases.
 
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