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David O'Day

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,121
Deleted member 5849 said:
Inevitable while things are up. It's why it'd be crazy to go against him / them just yet.
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It's a Vaccine boost, no one should really care about opinion polls for at least 3 years. No points

Judging by the reaction to the budget the polls will close again
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,122
SBT said:
Those inner city London constituencies are some of the youngest in the country so not surprising they’d be at the bottom of the overall table. But the take-up among older residents there is still lower than most other places, so there is something going on. (People leaving London during the pandemic and not yet changing their address? People not registered with a GP in the city?)
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Keep the cunts in lockdown until they have it.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,123
David O'Day said:
It's a Vaccine boost, no one should really care about opinion polls for at least 3 years. No points

Judging by the reaction to the budget the polls will close again
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They've just announced more austerity, let's see what's happening next week. Labour are nowhere, completely wrong footed over the budget.
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,124
Nick said:
Keep the cunts in lockdown until they have it.
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Lockdown? I'm still in London, what's a lockdown?
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,125
A 1% payrise.

But at least we stood on our doorsteps and clapped them, what more do they want?

Covid-19: Nurses prepare for strikes over 1% NHS pay rise in England

A union calls the proposed increase in England "pitiful", but ministers say money is tight.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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SG21

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,126
Meanwhile, billions goes to friends of the tories. If only someone in the NHS had walked Boris' dog. That seems to be how you get money out of them.

If the clapping didn't work for tinkerbell, why did people think it would help the NHS?
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,127
Going back to why some inner city constituencies might not be taking up the vaccine as quick as others - a long (but great) article from the FT today which is well worth a read: Subscribe to read | Financial Times

Public Health England noted that the historical experiences of black and other minority groups might mean they are less likely to seek help when it is necessary, ultimately having an impact on longer-term health. A group of UK academics recently argued that access to medical care is also determined by a person’s ability to use services “with ease, and having confidence that you will be treated with respect”. This can be “hindered by language barriers, patients’ attitudes towards healthcare providers and the behaviour and attitudes of healthcare professionals towards minority patients”. The effects of racial discrimination in wider society also play a part in why some minority groups are hesitant to take up a Covid-19 vaccine.
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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,128
PVA said:
A 1% payrise.

But at least we stood on our doorsteps and clapped them, what more do they want?

Covid-19: Nurses prepare for strikes over 1% NHS pay rise in England

A union calls the proposed increase in England "pitiful", but ministers say money is tight.
www.bbc.co.uk
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1% is more than I will be getting.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,129
SBT said:
Going back to why some inner city constituencies might not be taking up the vaccine as quick as others - a long (but great) article from the FT today which is well worth a read: Subscribe to read | Financial Times
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"You need the vaccine else you don't leave your house"

People would soon figure it out.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,130
Nick said:
1% is more than I will be getting.
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More than me too, but then I'm not tasked with saving peoples' lives (I hope!)
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,131
Nick said:
1% is more than I will be getting.
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It's more than I'll be getting too, but that's not the point is it.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,132
Deleted member 5849 said:
More than me too, but then I'm not tasked with saving peoples' lives (I hope!)
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Is that really relevant? So should surgeons get a vastly higher rise than nurses?
 
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SG21

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,133
The NHS staff deserve far better then putting up with this crap. Sorry, but it really annoys me just how they're treated.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,134
Grendel said:
Is that really relevant? So should surgeons get a vastly higher rise than nurses?
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It is relevant, when they're vastly underpaid for what they do and, at a time when surely we notice that even more than before, we seem to choose not to try and redress some of the unfairness.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,135
Deleted member 5849 said:
It is relevant, when they're vastly underpaid for what they do and, at a time when surely we notice that even more than before, we seem to choose not to try and redress some of the unfairness.
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Funnily enough a nurse has just been on five live and says she doesn’t even want the 1% - says she has job security 40 days holiday a pension and is grateful - what would you say to her?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,136
Deleted member 5849 said:
It is relevant, when they're vastly underpaid for what they do and, at a time when surely we notice that even more than before, we seem to choose not to try and redress some of the unfairness.
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Average Nurse is about £30k plus isn't it?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,137
Nick said:
Average Nurse is about £30k plus isn't it?

I think this has taught everybody that a lot of hidden trades are needed more than before.
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£34k
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,138
Grendel said:
Funnily enough a nurse has just been on five live and says she doesn’t even want the 1% - says she has job security 40 days holiday a pension and is grateful - what would you say to her?
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I'd say that she's showing exactly why she's in that profession, because she's not self-centred, all about me-me-me, and that if only others were like that, she'd have more money instead of people being greedy and insular and ungrateful.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,139
Deleted member 5849 said:
I'd say that she's showing exactly why she's in that profession, because she's not self-centred, all about me-me-me, and that if only others were like that, she'd have more money instead of people being greedy and insular and ungrateful.
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Nurses earn above the national average?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,140
Grendel said:
Nurses earn above the national average?
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So what!

I don't begrudge them that, and more besides. Why anyone would is beyond me.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,141
Grendel said:
£34k
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Not like they are struggling to work in ASDA throughout then.

God forbid they are one of the many thousands of small business owners that have completely lost any income they have.
 
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SG21

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,142
Nick said:
Average Nurse is about £30k plus isn't it?
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Think it's taught me which actual trades are important and which aren't. Sadly, the trades that are seem to be shafted by those in pointless jobs all the time - hence why no one wants them.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,143
Fucking hell, this is just typical Tory shit from Grendel, what a disgusting point of view.

They earn above national wage so they don't deserve a raise?
 
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SG21

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,144
The national wage is way below what's actually needed to live here too.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,145
PVA said:
Fucking hell, this is just typical Tory shit from Grendel, what a disgusting point of view.

They earn above national wage so they don't deserve a raise?
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I'd say there are plenty who deserve a raise who are much worse off than earning an average £34k a year.

It's not really disgusting is it? Plenty of people have lost their jobs or had to take pay cuts meanwhile 1% payrise and a secure job isn't enough.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,146
Grendel said:
Nurses earn above the national average?
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So does Boris Johnson.
I wonder if a nurse did the nursing equivalent of missing 5 COBRA meetings at the start of a pandemic she'd keep her job?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,147
On the plus side, you get a minimum £5k pa to train as a nurse, so that helps towards the dream of the nursing land of milk and honey, where it's all happy happy joy, joy.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,148
Nick said:
I'd say there are plenty who deserve a raise who are much worse off than earning an average £34k a year.

It's not really disgusting is it? Plenty of people have lost their jobs or had to take pay cuts meanwhile 1% payrise and a secure job isn't enough.
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Yes, it is disgusting.

Just a horrible attitude, it's proper Race to the Bottom stuff.

'I don't have this so he shouldn't have it either.'

Perfectly sums up the attitude in this country and explains why it's such a shit hole these days.
 
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Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,149
Nick said:
I'd say there are plenty who deserve a raise who are much worse off than earning an average £34k a year.

It's not really disgusting is it? Plenty of people have lost their jobs or had to take pay cuts meanwhile 1% payrise and a secure job isn't enough.
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There are plenty that don't earn that average wage. People getting paid properly means more money to spend in small businesses etc. Squeezing people is arguably going to make it tougher for business to recover.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,150

Down with working class people getting a payrise. Up the donors.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,151
Oh and for the record, MPs and "donors" should get absolutely fuck all. Give the pricks a pay cut and remove their expenses.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,152
Guess they at least cover their exorbitant parking charges.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,153
Skybluefaz said:
There are plenty that don't earn that average wage. People getting paid properly means more money to spend in small businesses etc. Squeezing people is arguably going to make it tougher for business to recover.
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I agree.

There are plenty of people who have had to battle through, for example a carer on minimum wage who doesn't get paid for the time driving between calls.
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,154
Nick said:
I'd say there are plenty who deserve a raise who are much worse off than earning an average £34k a year.

It's not really disgusting is it? Plenty of people have lost their jobs or had to take pay cuts meanwhile 1% payrise and a secure job isn't enough.
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Who else is more deserving of a raise this year than NHS staff? Someone mentioned carers, I'd put them on the list - anyone else? Do we have to wait until they all get a pay rise first before anyone else gets one?

And does this philosophy now apply to all public spending? No new help for existing homeowners until we've wiped out homelessness, presumably?
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,155
fernandopartridge said:
They've just announced more austerity, let's see what's happening next week. Labour are nowhere, completely wrong footed over the budget.
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Bollocks as standard
 
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