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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,086
SBT said:
Was looking into this the other day. A UCL study says older people are slightly more compliant than younger people, but only on certain things and not by much. Overall, compliance is very high.

Page 64:
https://b6bdcb03-332c-4ff9-8b9d-28f...d/3d9db5_bf013154aed5484b970c0cf84ff109e9.pdf

There's a big push coming in the US to persuade people that once you get vaccinated you'll be able to do a lot more socializing with other vaccinated people, which makes sense to me. So good for the old guys I say.
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Not much different to very low risk people socialising with very low risk people from the start?
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,087
Nick said:
Not much different to very low risk people socialising with very low risk people from the start?
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Well, the difference is that your example could lead to those people infecting each other. The strong assumption (and yes, it's still technically just an assumption) is that vaccinated people mixing wouldn't.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,088
SBT said:
Well, the difference is that your example could lead to those people infecting each other. The strong assumption (and yes, it's still technically just an assumption) is that vaccinated people mixing wouldn't.
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I thought they could still spread it even if vaccinated?
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,089
Nick said:
I thought they could still spread it even if vaccinated?
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Well the vaccines are so new, they haven't proved it definitively either way, so that's why the rules are still in place for now. But all the recent evidence is that you won't spread it once you're vaccinated (same as most other vaccines we're used to) Covid vaccines may stop spread ‘almost completely’

Hopefully the more studies we get like that, the more likely it is that vaccinated people will be told they can go and do whatever they please. I know what I'd be doing if I'd been done.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,090
Nick said:
I thought they could still spread it even if vaccinated?
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Evidence suggests not. It was always “we don’t know yet” never “they definitely can”.

Trials don’t look at spread they look at effect on the person taking the vaccine so we had to wait for real world results, which were starting to get in and they’re showing a reduction in transmission:


Coronavirus spread slowed by vaccines, study suggests

There was a 75% reduction in staff at Addenbrooke's Hospital testing positive after a vaccination.
www.bbc.com
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,091
Nick said:
I thought they could still spread it even if vaccinated?
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Initial studies say a 60% reduction in infection, my boss says. Of course, once everybody is out and about as though nothing happened, that will compensate for that.

It's people deciding to act as pre-pandemic after getting their own vaccine that worries me, tbh. Wait for everyone else!
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,092
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's people deciding to act as pre-pandemic after getting their own vaccine that worries me, tbh. Wait for everyone else!
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Could be waiting a long time in that case! We have to get back to normal at some stage, and if you can't do that once you've been vaccinated, why bother getting vaccinated? (Uhh other than not dying from coronavirus)

It's more of an issue in countries where vaccine hesitancy is high (the UK is more up for it than almost any country, I think) but perhaps the best way to persuade people to get the vaccine and get us back to normal is to persuade them that it's their golden ticket to living life as normal again. Much harder to persuade people if they still have to avoid other people/avoid traveling for months on end anyway.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,093
SBT said:
and if you can't do that once you've been vaccinated, why bother getting vaccinated?
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Because you're one part of the stage to getting everyone else vaccinated and, if you don't, everybody won't be vaccinated.

Now if you don't want to fair enough, take your chances, but otherwise show some consideration until everybody else is sorted, and / or it's proven that you don't transmit a virus.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,094
Think I saw an article the other day suggesting. 95% reduction.i. Transmission.
Which would be stupendous I think.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,095
Hospital admissions down to 757, great to see them back under 1k for the first time in a long time.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,096
fernandopartridge said:
Hospital admissions down to 757, great to see them back under 1k for the first time in a long time.
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Yeah, Covid inpatients in England (only have PHE data) are down to 9k (from 34k late Jan)

Confirmed cases at 6.5k (from 860k tests). Down from just under 10k last Thursday

Vaccinations administered yesterday - 279k first dose and 68k second.

All positive...fingers crossed it stays that way after kids return next week (I think we all expect cases to creep back up a bit but hopefully not substantially/won’t have direct correlation to future hospital admissions)

ps supplies allowing, NHS expecting to really ramp up vaccinations numbers from week commencing 15 March
 
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Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,097
Another 15 billion, 15 fucking billion.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2021
  • #43,098
They've just got rid of another tranch of telephone trackers.
Almost on a month to month now .
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,099
Skybluefaz said:
Another 15 billion, 15 fucking billion.
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Not as angry about this as I was a few months ago tbf, the vast majority of the money is spent on testing which we all agree is going very well.

Not that I know the figures, but a lot of people, me included, correlated the spend to only that shit test & trace app.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,100
hill83 said:
Not as angry about this as I was a few months ago tbf, the vast majority of the money is spent on testing which we all agree is going very well.

Not that I know the figures, but a lot of people, me included, correlated the spend to only that shit test & trace app.
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Agreed. Though I’d like to know how much was spent on the non-testing stuff that’s been less than useless, the headline figure including testing tells us nothing.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,101
hill83 said:
Not as angry about this as I was a few months ago tbf, the vast majority of the money is spent on testing which we all agree is going very well.

Not that I know the figures, but a lot of people, me included, correlated the spend to only that shit test & trace app.
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You should be. It's daylight robbery of our money. The report linked to that tweet is pretty damming.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,102
clint van damme said:
You should be. It's daylight robbery of our money. The report linked to that tweet is pretty damming.
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That's going in on the app again, around 80% of the allocated spend goes on testing and the infrastructure around that.
At the risk of sounding like a government apologist.
I'm by no means happy with it, but the majority of the reporting makes out all the money has been wasted on an app that doesn't work and I fell for it. Hence 'not as angry'.
 
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Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,103
hill83 said:
Not as angry about this as I was a few months ago tbf, the vast majority of the money is spent on testing which we all agree is going very well.

Not that I know the figures, but a lot of people, me included, correlated the spend to only that shit test & trace app.
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I need to see a breakdown of the spend because it still seems an outrageous amount of money.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,104
Skybluefaz said:
I need to see a breakdown of the spend because it still seems an outrageous amount of money.
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I agree.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,105
Skybluefaz said:
Another 15 billion, 15 fucking billion.
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Surely all health employees could get a proper pay rise instead of this
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,106
Sky Blue Pete said:
Surely all health employees could get a proper pay rise instead of this
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20% of this is still 3 billion as well
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,107
Interested in how your consituency is doing ref: vaccines? No? Ignore me then.

 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,108
The testing hasn't exactly been without issues either. People being sent hundreds of miles for tests, the numbers constantly being 'altered' as targets have been missed.

And of course there's not really any reason local public health couldn't have run the testing.

One thing I've always found noticeable is when you see news footage of testing in other countries the tests are being administered by healthcare professionals. Here you turn up at a car park, get a test kit chucked through your window by a minimum wage worker, and then have to do the test yourself.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,109
also the tracing part is still woeful
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,110
Deleted member 5849 said:
Interested in how your consituency is doing ref: vaccines? No? Ignore me then.

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The Constituency column is blank apart from Aldershot?
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,111
MusicDating said:
The Constituency column is blank apart from Aldershot?
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Open up the file if the embed doesn't work. And / or wait for it to load.
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,112
Deleted member 5849 said:
Open up the file if the embed doesn't work. And / or wait for it to load.
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Had to open it in Excel for it to work, ta
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,113
I wonder what the reason for the lack of take up in deprived inner city areas is?

Highest proportion vaccinated by total populationOver 80s highest proportions vaccinated
Suffolk Coastal
53.1%​
North Somerset
97.4%​
Clacton
52.9%​
Wansbeck
97.2%​
Christchurch
51.8%​
Thornbury and Yate
97.2%​
North Norfolk
49.7%​
Tewkesbury
97.1%​
West Worcestershire
49.4%​
Haltemprice and Howden
97.0%​
Isle of Wight
49.2%​
Mid Derbyshire
97.0%​
West Dorset
48.7%​
Kingswood
96.9%​
New Forest West
48.6%​
North Dorset
96.9%​
South East Cornwall
48.3%​
South Norfolk
96.8%​
Eastbourne
48.3%​
Penrith and The Border
96.8%​
Lowest proportion by total populationpercentOver 80s lowest proportion vaccinatedpercent
Poplar and Limehouse
13.8%​
Lewisham, Deptford
68.3%​
Birmingham, Ladywood
14.3%​
Camberwell and Peckham
69.4%​
Bethnal Green and Bow
14.3%​
Tottenham
70.0%​
West Ham
15.6%​
Birmingham, Ladywood
70.8%​
Hackney South and Shoreditch
15.7%​
Brent Central
71.3%​
Hackney North and Stoke Newington
16.3%​
Croydon North
71.5%​
Manchester Central
16.5%​
Hackney North and Stoke Newington
72.1%​
East Ham
16.5%​
Hackney South and Shoreditch
72.6%​
Islington South and Finsbury
16.7%​
Walthamstow
72.8%​
Bermondsey and Old Southwark
16.8%​
Vauxhall
73.2%​
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,114
hill83 said:
I agree.
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Especially as we've ended up with one of the worse per capita deaths in the world. Its a fucking scandal.
Form the amount spent, who was put in charge of it, the chain of command and the accountability
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,115
clint van damme said:
Especially as we've ended up with one of the worse per capita deaths in the world. Its a fucking scandal.
Form the amount spent, who was put in charge of it, the chain of command and the accountability
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Not what most think

Boris Johnson’s poll lead over Labour boosted by Covid vaccine rollout

Conservatives’ 7-point lead is party’s biggest since July 2020, and a reality check for Keir Starmer
www.theguardian.com
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,116
fernandopartridge said:
I wonder what the reason for the lack of take up in deprived inner city areas is?

Highest proportion vaccinated by total populationOver 80s highest proportions vaccinated
Suffolk Coastal
53.1%​
North Somerset
97.4%​
Clacton
52.9%​
Wansbeck
97.2%​
Christchurch
51.8%​
Thornbury and Yate
97.2%​
North Norfolk
49.7%​
Tewkesbury
97.1%​
West Worcestershire
49.4%​
Haltemprice and Howden
97.0%​
Isle of Wight
49.2%​
Mid Derbyshire
97.0%​
West Dorset
48.7%​
Kingswood
96.9%​
New Forest West
48.6%​
North Dorset
96.9%​
South East Cornwall
48.3%​
South Norfolk
96.8%​
Eastbourne
48.3%​
Penrith and The Border
96.8%​
Lowest proportion by total populationpercentOver 80s lowest proportion vaccinatedpercent
Poplar and Limehouse
13.8%​
Lewisham, Deptford
68.3%​
Birmingham, Ladywood
14.3%​
Camberwell and Peckham
69.4%​
Bethnal Green and Bow
14.3%​
Tottenham
70.0%​
West Ham
15.6%​
Birmingham, Ladywood
70.8%​
Hackney South and Shoreditch
15.7%​
Brent Central
71.3%​
Hackney North and Stoke Newington
16.3%​
Croydon North
71.5%​
Manchester Central
16.5%​
Hackney North and Stoke Newington
72.1%​
East Ham
16.5%​
Hackney South and Shoreditch
72.6%​
Islington South and Finsbury
16.7%​
Walthamstow
72.8%​
Bermondsey and Old Southwark
16.8%​
Vauxhall
73.2%​
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Not great is it? Is it lack of access? Travel wise I mean
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,117
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not great is it? Is it lack of access? Travel wise I mean
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Potentially, but a lot of it is inner London which is not difficult to travel around. Maybe it is demonstrating some vaccine scepticism in certain 'communities'.
London performs poorly for take up amongst health and care staff as well, way below other regions.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,118
fernandopartridge said:
Potentially, but a lot of it is inner London which is not difficult to travel around. Maybe it is demonstrating some vaccine scepticism in certain 'communities'.
London performs poorly for take up amongst health and care staff as well, way below other regions.
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Those inner city London constituencies are some of the youngest in the country so not surprising they’d be at the bottom of the overall table. But the take-up among older residents there is still lower than most other places, so there is something going on. (People leaving London during the pandemic and not yet changing their address? People not registered with a GP in the city?)
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,119
Grendel said:
Not what most think

Boris Johnson’s poll lead over Labour boosted by Covid vaccine rollout

Conservatives’ 7-point lead is party’s biggest since July 2020, and a reality check for Keir Starmer
www.theguardian.com
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That doesn't mean we don't have one of the worst per capita death rates in the world though, nor does it mean that billions and billions of pounds haven't been wasted.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Mar 5, 2021
  • #43,120
Grendel said:
Not what most think

Boris Johnson’s poll lead over Labour boosted by Covid vaccine rollout

Conservatives’ 7-point lead is party’s biggest since July 2020, and a reality check for Keir Starmer
www.theguardian.com
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Inevitable while things are up. It's why it'd be crazy to go against him / them just yet.
 
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