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shmmeee

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  • Jan 28, 2021
  • #41,231
When are we thinking well see the impact of the vaccine in the stats? End of Feb maybe? Two weeks after the vulnerable have all had a shot?
 
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wingy

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  • Jan 28, 2021
  • #41,232
shmmeee said:
When are we thinking well see the impact of the vaccine in the stats? End of Feb maybe? Two weeks after the vulnerable have all had a shot?
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Going to be difficult to know I think.
Until lockdown is completely over and then we will be approaching the summer and finer weather .
So only a small window to measure I think.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 28, 2021
  • #41,233
David O'Day said:

Coronavirus: Germany set to limit AstraZeneca jab to under-65s

German vaccine officials say there is not enough data about the jab, which is widely used in the UK.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Good old Germany, solving some of the AZ supply issues already
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 28, 2021
  • #41,234
fernandopartridge said:
Good old Germany, solving some of the AZ supply issues already
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Apparently they've privately ordered millions more Pfizer doses?
 

SomersetSB

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  • Jan 28, 2021
  • #41,235
David O'Day said:
in 1997 and 2001 they definitely would of had a majority without Scotland and I think that might be true of 2005 as well
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Over 400 seats in 1997 amazing really!!
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Jan 28, 2021
  • #41,236
fernandopartridge said:
Good old Germany, solving some of the AZ supply issues already
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Yep....commented on this rather swift and precise bit of chicanery/spin when wingy posted the same story yesterday...

If you just swap the word "vaccine" for the word "data" in the 1st paragraph of their statement it then rings true.....
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 28, 2021
  • #41,237
Wow

Covid: UK experts back AstraZeneca jab amid Germany ruling

Public Health England says the AstraZeneca jab offers "high levels of protection" against Covid-19.
www.bbc.co.uk

Hope our live trial works
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 28, 2021
  • #41,238
The Novavax vaccine results are out: Novavax’s Vaccine Works Well — Except on Variant First Found in South Africa

While the headline number (89% efficacy) is good, it's only 49% effective against the South African variant. If new variants have the potential to undercut the vaccine, then I don't see how you can avoid periodic restrictions coming into effect whenever new variants spring up.

The good news is that the scientists think they can update the vaccines to accommodate, but even if you vaccinate the whole UK population, can you really go back to normal on a permanent basis, so long as there's a new variant somewhere in the world that could infect half the population?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 28, 2021
  • #41,239
Sky Blue Pete said:
Wow

Covid: UK experts back AstraZeneca jab amid Germany ruling

Public Health England says the AstraZeneca jab offers "high levels of protection" against Covid-19.
www.bbc.co.uk

Hope our live trial works
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Think they did say that in the Stage 1 and 2 trials it provoked an equal if not better immune response in over 65s.

I'm no fan of the Tories but I trust the scientific advice on this.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 28, 2021
  • #41,240
SBT said:
The Novavax vaccine results are out: Novavax’s Vaccine Works Well — Except on Variant First Found in South Africa

While the headline number (89% efficacy) is good, it's only 49% effective against the South African variant. If new variants have the potential to undercut the vaccine, then I don't see how you can avoid periodic restrictions coming into effect whenever new variants spring up.

The good news is that the scientists think they can update the vaccines to accommodate, but even if you vaccinate the whole UK population, can you really go back to normal on a permanent basis, so long as there's a new variant somewhere in the world that could infect half the population?
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I think so, as long as the structures to deal with outbreaks exist.
 

jordan210

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  • Jan 28, 2021
  • #41,241
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 28, 2021
  • #41,242
jordan210 said:
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Good news
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 28, 2021
  • #41,243
It’s not just the vaccine is it? The more we study the virus and deal with its effects the more angles we’ll reduce deaths by. There was that instant protection thing the other day, there’ll be better research on what spreads it, better antivirals, etc, etc.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 28, 2021
  • #41,244
shmmeee said:
It’s not just the vaccine is it? The more we study the virus and deal with its effects the more angles we’ll reduce deaths by. There was that instant protection thing the other day, there’ll be better research on what spreads it, better antivirals, etc, etc.
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Yeah, you feel like the vaccine research will hopefully get to a point where they can hopefully preempt mutations to a certain extent.
It is critical though that proper public health infrastructure is reinstated though, so they're not throwing money at Serco and the like and outbreaks can be contained. I don't think the Tories will do it but neither am I convinced what Starmer's Labour will either.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 28, 2021
  • #41,245
Third of the uk deaths have been in the last 6 weeks but don’t worry the government did all they could
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,246
SBT said:
The Novavax vaccine results are out: Novavax’s Vaccine Works Well — Except on Variant First Found in South Africa

While the headline number (89% efficacy) is good, it's only 49% effective against the South African variant. If new variants have the potential to undercut the vaccine, then I don't see how you can avoid periodic restrictions coming into effect whenever new variants spring up.

The good news is that the scientists think they can update the vaccines to accommodate, but even if you vaccinate the whole UK population, can you really go back to normal on a permanent basis, so long as there's a new variant somewhere in the world that could infect half the population?
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The investment in that mega vaccines factory they want to build this year will have a big impact on that and will allow large scale production of vaccines in response to new variants. The process of ‘tweaking’ the existing ones is nothing new and very easy from a scientific perspective as something we already do with flu.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,247
Prisons minister on BBC this morning:

'The government has been totally transparent through out This pandemic'

How many people have died of covid in prison?

'I have those figures but we're not putting them in the public domain'

Fucking hell. She's a government minister.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,248
clint van damme said:
Prisons minister on BBC this morning:

'The government has been totally transparent through out This pandemic'

How many people have died of covid in prison?

'I have those figures but we're not putting them in the public domain'

Fucking hell. She's a government minister.
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Imagine being a B list minister when the A list has Hancock and Williamson
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,249
fernandopartridge said:
Good news
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reports this morning sound very promising.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,250
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Imagine being a B list minister when the A list has Hancock and Williamson
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Was thinking about cabinets/shadow cabinets yesterday (I blame the dull life of lockdown !!). One of the reasons both main parties are poor at the moment is neither appear to have a lot of their best ministers on their front benches. Talent wasted on back benches is inexcusable really

Sorry, not covid related

Good news about Novavax trials though !
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,251
CCFCSteve said:
Was thinking about cabinets/shadow cabinets yesterday (I blame the dull life of lockdown !!). One of the reasons both main parties are poor at the moment is neither appear to have a lot of their best ministers on their front benches. Talent wasted on back benches is inexcusable really

Sorry, not covid related

Good news about Novavax trials though !
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Is that the GSK one?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,252
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Is that the GSK one?
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Think GSK is tied in with Sanofi (the one that’s not going well) - I had to Google that !

Novovax is the one Fernando mentioned. Would be manufactured in U.K. as well I think
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,253
CCFCSteve said:
Think GSK is tied in with Sanofi (the one that’s not going well) - I had to Google that !

Novovax is the one Fernando mentioned. Would be manufactured in U.K. as well I think
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Yes wasn’t sure who had partnered with who. GSK one works in younger patients but not a high enough antigen concentration for older ones so they’ve pushed it back to later this year.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,254
CCFCSteve said:
Think GSK is tied in with Sanofi (the one that’s not going well) - I had to Google that !

Novovax is the one Fernando mentioned. Would be manufactured in U.K. as well I think
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they're going to start making it on Teeside.
Report this morning said that in trials it had 89% efficacy against 'normal' Covid at 86% against the new UK variant.
 
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covmark

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,255
clint van damme said:
they're going to start making it on Teeside.
Report this morning said that in trials it had 89% efficacy against 'normal' Covid at 86% against the new UK variant.
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Yep, think I read it's 50% effective against the South African variant too. Not too shabby that either.

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,256
Haven't Sanofi given up and signed a deal to product the Pfizer vaccine?
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,257

EU could block millions of Covid vaccine doses from entering UK

European commission says new mechanism will give national regulators power to refuse exports
www.theguardian.com

Looks like the EU has decided to let any individual company block vaccine exports one there own.

Ball is very much in Belgiums court now
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,258
David O'Day said:

EU could block millions of Covid vaccine doses from entering UK

European commission says new mechanism will give national regulators power to refuse exports
www.theguardian.com

Looks like the EU has decided to let any individual company block vaccine exports one there own.

Ball is very much in Belgiums court now
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not good reading. Will affect global supply not just the UK.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,259
clint van damme said:
not good reading. Will affect global supply not just the UK.
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Not good at all. I wonder if the AZ situation has given them an excuse to do something they wanted to do anyway !
 

Sbarcher

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,260
clint van damme said:
not good reading. Will affect global supply not just the UK.
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Easy solution. Take it down to the ferry terminals and hand it over to the channel crossers. They seem to have no problem getting into the UK!
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,261
David O'Day said:

EU could block millions of Covid vaccine doses from entering UK

European commission says new mechanism will give national regulators power to refuse exports
www.theguardian.com

Looks like the EU has decided to let any individual company block vaccine exports one there own.

Ball is very much in Belgiums court now
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Individual state you mean not company?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,262
CCFCSteve said:
Think GSK is tied in with Sanofi (the one that’s not going well) - I had to Google that !

Novovax is the one Fernando mentioned. Would be manufactured in U.K. as well I think
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Being manufactured on Teesside - something to do with the Fuji Film.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,263
clint van damme said:
not good reading. Will affect global supply not just the UK.
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You would imagine if they did that then supplies from non-EU production that were intended for the EU won't be delivered and will be diverted elsewhere. Assume EU produced vaccine should be delivered around the world not just to the UK. That's a lot of countries that will be very unhappy with the EU if they go through with this.
 
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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,264
chiefdave said:
You would imagine if they did that then supplies from non-EU production that were intended for the EU won't be delivered and will be diverted elsewhere. Assume EU produced vaccine should be delivered around the world not just to the UK. That's a lot of countries that will be very unhappy with the EU if they go through with this.
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Yeah it's just posturing. Probably magnified by media on all sides of the channel, too. Would be totally illogical to actively stop things, but does no harm to remind companies of their obligations.
 
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jordan210

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,265
Will be interesting to see what other countries out side of Europe do if the EU try and ban exports. As must be quite a few waiting for vacancies from the Belgium plant. Cant see them being overly happy with the Eu diverting their supply to themselves.
 
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