Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (20 Viewers)

Nick · Jan 16, 2021

clint van damme said:
What anout them? There is no evidence that that is a result of feckless over 70s. But obviously over 70s are more likely to be hospitalised.

look how many cases come from care homes. They were returning covid patients from hospital to care homes. That lead to a massive spread. Care homes is still a huge source of cases going by the graph someone posted on here the other day. How that happens I don't know. The care home my mother in law is in has been strictly locked down for months.
No visitors no day release

I didn't say they were feckless, I said the majority are over 70.

Either them or their family members visiting being feckless for them to get it...

Obviously care home situations different where they are around it.

Are we saying now that under 40s would be at the same risk as over 70s if there wasn't the care home situation? It's fact, that age group are more likely to be hospitalised.... Then strain on the NHS.

Not saying those under won't be hospitalised at all, they will. Just a hell of a lot less of them.

Grendel · Jan 16, 2021

Nick said:
I didn't say they were feckless, I said the majority are over 70.

Either them or their family members visiting being feckless for them to get it...

Obviously care home situations different.

i think admissions in hospital now are not weighted as heavily to that age group

Nick · Jan 16, 2021

Grendel said:
i think admissions in hospital now are not weighted as heavily to that age group

What are the breakdowns?

clint van damme · Jan 16, 2021

Grendel said:
many are under 70 and most over would not have caught in tesco or a drive in McDonald’s but indirectly involving moronic actions by people younger who are not at risk

The increase in hospitalization in the 45 - 59 and 60 - 74 age groups is quite grim.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 16, 2021

Nick said:
Either them or their family members visiting being feckless for them to get it...

Coronavirus doctor's diary: Karen caught Covid - and took it home

Everyone has heard about doctors and nurses catching Covid-19 but cleaners and porters have been worse hit.

www.bbc.co.uk

stupot07 · Jan 16, 2021

There is no way of getting through this without lockdown breaking transmission and vaccination for long term protection.

The infection heat maps show when you unlock everything, the virus rips through the younger and less vulnerable and spreads into the elder and more vulnerable population.

My great aunt in her 80s caught covid in her care home just before Xmas and died a few days later of it in hospital.

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chiefdave · Jan 16, 2021

Grendel said:
What about other groups that are at risk - say an obese diabetic black man with high blood pressure? Should he be under house arrest?

Was just going to post this. Over 70s seem to be getting used interchangeably with at risk and they're massively different groups, albeit with some overlap.

The first phase priority group for vaccination is based on who is more at risk and that's everyone over 50 plus staff working in care homes, health & social care workers, clinically extremely vulnerable and those in an increased risk group (which includes things like people with asthma, diabetes or obese). That's estimated to be over 25 million people, although there's talk of adding staff in education in as well, no idea how many that would add.

You can't lock all those people up. Even if you could what about people they live with, do you lock them up as well, if not then surely the plan falls apart? Plus how on earth would you enforce it. We can't even get to grip with who should be wearing masks, we came up with the brilliant system of asking people if they had a valid reason not to wear one and not being able to question their response.

According to NHS England from September to Jan 7th there were 55,050 under 65s admitted to hospital with covid out of a total of 152,182. That would suggest even if you did lock up all the over 70s you wouldn't be able to remove restrictions.

hill83 · Jan 16, 2021

Nick said:
What are the breakdowns?

You by the look of it

Nick · Jan 16, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Coronavirus doctor's diary: Karen caught Covid - and took it home

Everyone has heard about doctors and nurses catching Covid-19 but cleaners and porters have been worse hit.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yeah that was exactly my point.

Nick · Jan 16, 2021

hill83 said:
You by the look of it

5 more beers

clint van damme · Jan 16, 2021

Nick said:
What are the breakdowns?

Nick · Jan 16, 2021

clint van damme said:
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Yeah so who's straining the NHS most at the minute?

clint van damme · Jan 16, 2021

Nick said:
Yeah so who's straining the NHS most at the minute?

You are as usual missing the point.
Yes, the elderly. But there's no suggestion it's to do with the behaviour of that age group which us what you're suggesting.
Unless you've got evidence?

And even forgetting about the over 75s, look at the numbers for 45 to 74. Or do you want to give them us fuck you as well?

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 16, 2021

Nick said:
Yeah that was exactly my point.

Fecklessly working to feed themselves, whilst fecklessly trying to support an elderly relative newly on their own, and struggling with the death of their wife? That elderly relative, of course, has the indecency to fecklessly die and clog up a health system, the bastard.

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 16, 2021

Nick said:
What are the breakdowns?

Still weighted to age but younger people needing hospital

stupot07 · Jan 16, 2021

Just 2 days worth of data from the 5th and 6th Jan

Statistics » COVID-19 Hospital Activity

A number of data collections have been implemented to support incident management. The collections were activated at short notice and the content of the collections has evolved as the incident has developed. The data collected is classified as management information. It has been collected on a...

www.england.nhs.uk

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Nick · Jan 16, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Fecklessly working to feed themselves, whilst fecklessly trying to support an elderly relative newly on their own, and struggling with the death of their wife?

Yeah exactly my point. If the elderly relative didn't have contact with somebody who works in a hospital every day......

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 16, 2021

Nick said:
Yeah exactly my point. If the elderly relative didn't have contact with somebody who works in a hospital every day......

...they'd be left to fend for themselves after their wife dies of cancer. How do you think that'd go?

clint van damme · Jan 16, 2021

Nick said:
Yeah exactly my point. If the elderly relative didn't have contact with somebody who works in a hospital every day......

So you don't want elderly people to have contact with any relatives and you don't want them to go out to the shops.

If want to euthanise old people surely you can suggest something more humane than locking them in a house and starving them to death.

fernandopartridge · Jan 16, 2021

shmmeee said:
Found out my ex had gone into hospital this morning when my five year old text me to ask for more time on Roblox “cos mummy’s gone to hospital”, you can imagine my reaction

She sounded OK when I text but was waiting for a chest X-ray. She’s 38 if that matters.

Hope she's OK.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 16, 2021

clint van damme said:
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Which supports the idea that you can pretty much model how many we need to vaccinate before we get hospitalisations down to a manageable level.

clint van damme · Jan 16, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
Hope she's OK.

Having followed the saga of his divorce on here I'm not sure he does

fernandopartridge · Jan 16, 2021

Rich said:
I haven’t hugged my parents in months, my kids are unable to do their extra curricular groups. But we’re not stopping our lives are we!

No, we're not. I've barely seen my family in a year but to suggests lives are on hold really is over the top.

I hate the restrictions but they're pretty light given the context, 100k dead in 10 months, nearly 40k people in hospital currently 4k of which are incapable of breathing for themselves.

hill83 · Jan 16, 2021

Have we done car accidents today yet?

shmmeee · Jan 16, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
Hope she's OK.

Just had word. Sounds like a chest infection along with mild COVID. She’ll live.

stupot07 · Jan 16, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
No, we're not. I've barely seen my family in a year but to suggests lives are on hold really is over the top.

I hate the restrictions but they're pretty light given the context, 100k dead in 10 months, nearly 40k people in hospital currently 4k of which are incapable of breathing for themselves.

And to put in to context we usually have c7k deaths due to flu annually.

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stupot07 · Jan 16, 2021

shmmeee said:
Just had word. Sounds like a chest infection along with mild COVID. She’ll live.

Good to hear!

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fernandopartridge · Jan 16, 2021

clint van damme said:
You are as usual missing the point.
Yes, the elderly. But there's no suggestion it's to do with the behaviour of that age group which us what you're suggesting.
Unless you've got evidence?

And even forgetting about the over 75s, look at the numbers for 45 to 74. Or do you want to give them us fuck you as well?

It isn't the elderly, the majority of people in hospital are under 70. Younger age groups are hospitalised with covid in greater numbers but don't die.

chiefdave · Jan 16, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
It isn't the elderly, the majority of people in hospital are under 70. Younger age groups are hospitalised with covid in greater numbers but don't die.

Another thing that seems to be ignored is that those who get in it and then 'recover' potentially have permeant lung and / or heart damage. We simply don't know how that is going to play out in the years to come. Might be nothing, hopefully isn't, but not sure its something that can just be ignored at this stage.

stupot07 · Jan 16, 2021

chiefdave said:
Another thing that seems to be ignored is that those who get in it and then 'recover' potentially have permeant lung and / or heart damage. We simply don't know how that is going to play out in the years to come. Might be nothing, hopefully isn't, but not sure its something that can just be ignored at this stage.

A colleague whos in their 50s got it before Xmas, and is still off work with it because of the damage its done, they weren't even hospitalised.

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clint van damme · Jan 16, 2021

stupot07 said:
A colleague whos in their 50s got it before Xmas, and is still off work with it because of the damage its done, they weren't even hospitalised.

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Same with my mate and his wife. They're back now but both got long covid and missed more time off with it than they had off in their lives

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 16, 2021

Plus who's to say you won't be the first to catch a new and worse strain, it seems to be mutating like nobody's business

Nick · Jan 16, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Plus who's to say you won't be the first to catch a new and worse strain, it seems to be mutating like nobody's business

May as well just ask hang ourselves now or lock ourselves up apart from work forever.

Or maybe we can stop cunts coming in from abroad completely to bring it in if it's from abroad.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 16, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Plus who's to say you won't be the first to catch a new and worse strain

That'd be just lovely, eh...

Another reason not to let everyone mix normally until we can damp it down, mind you.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 16, 2021

Nick said:
May as well just ask hang ourselves now or lock ourselves up apart from work forever.

Or maybe we can stop cunts coming in from abroad completely to bring it in.

It can mutate in this country as well. I hate working all the time with no light relief either too buddy

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