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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,376
Ian1779 said:
Don’t disagree as such, however I feel there is an argument to be made on the timings of when they take place... I’m not convinced it’s a productive way to start big school. I used to be a big fan of them, but years of scrutinising the data from them told me I didn’t learn anything I already could get from CATS and especially reading age which should have the biggest profile of all IMO.

The average reading age to access GCSE content is 15 and a half years. 25% of kids doing GCSE’s have a reading age below 13 years. That’s essentially writing off all those kids before you start because they struggle with Tier 2 and 3 words - never mind your subject specific terminology, your contextual words and abstract language.

We expect kids to read and interpret 19th century Dickens or 16th century Shakespeare when they would struggle with Harry Potter.
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I agree the timing should be sensitively managed, but all the same teachers need to know what they're dealing with and data from primary schools is more often than not unreliable.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,377
Rich said:
Just seen starmer is calling for round the clock vaccinations. WTF WHY AREN’T WE DOING THAT ALREADY?
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Administering it would be impossible it’s a throwaway comment
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,378
Rich said:
Just seen starmer is calling for round the clock vaccinations. WTF WHY AREN’T WE DOING THAT ALREADY?
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Supplies, staffing and possibly some difficulties in getting the 80+ year olds down the docs at 3am
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,379
CCFCSteve said:
Supplies, staffing and possibly some difficulties in getting the 80+ year olds down the docs at 3am
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The shambles that has occurred across Europe shows this is one area the government really should not be criticised on as of yet
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,380
Grendel said:
The shambles that has occurred across Europe shows this is one area the government really should not be criticised on as of yet
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The extreme storage conditions for the Pfizer vaccine were always going to be a challenge and lead to cock ups. The Oxford one is the game changer for what should ultimately be a global vaccination effort.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,381
Grendel said:
The shambles that has occurred across Europe shows this is one area the government really should not be criticised on as of yet
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Its also the one chance the governments got to pull their own arses out the fire so it would be crazy for them not to be throwing everything available at this (so not sure why people would suggest otherwise)

There will no doubt be some issues, errors, delays (especially with disruption of a lot of people in supply/delivery potentially getting covid !) etc which will always happen with a logistical exercise of this magnitude but got to give them a chance and if they can get to anywhere around 2m per week in a couple of weeks time, I’ll take that


ps just got to keep on eye on hancock, if we’re behind target he’ll probably start popping some in the post and adding them to the total
 
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Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,382
Round the clock vaccinations is the best chance of hitting the 2m a week mark.

Appreciate there may be logistical issues initially but we should be able to drive this approach surely?

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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,383
Ian1779 said:

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Worth the licence fee right there....public service broadcasting. Well done BBC
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,384
skyblue1991 said:
Round the clock vaccinations is the best chance of hitting the 2m a week mark.

Appreciate there may be logistical issues initially but we should be able to drive this approach surely?

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You just need 3 main things:

1. Enough vaccine supply
2. Enough staff to administer it at the rate needed
3. Enough vaccination centres within easy reach of the population
 
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hill83

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,385
Hopefully just a quick one.

The £12 BILLION test and trace shenanigans that I haven’t heard mentioned for months.

Anyone know why it cost so much yet? 1000 millions 12 times.

Had a beer again and it’s annoying me.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,386
Grendel said:
Administering it would be impossible it’s a throwaway comment
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Why?
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,387
hill83 said:
Hopefully just a quick one.

The £12 BILLION test and trace shenanigans that I haven’t heard mentioned for months.

Any one know why it cost so much yet? 1000 millions 12 times.

Had a beer again and it’s annoying me.
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I feel like it might have been worth trying the open source one before sinking the 12 billion in to the one we ended up with.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,388
hill83 said:
Hopefully just a quick one.

The £12 BILLION test and trace shenanigans that I haven’t heard mentioned for months.

Anyone know why it cost so much yet? 1000 millions 12 times.

Had a beer again and it’s annoying me.
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Just a straightforward heist
 
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hill83

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,389
Skybluefaz said:
I feel like it might have been worth trying the open source one before sinking the 12 billion in to the one we ended up with.
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Nah
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,390
it's the pint in a Soho strip club of the tracing app world
 

hill83

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,391
fernandopartridge said:
it's the pint in a Soho strip club of the tracing app world
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That’s what I mean. I’ve no idea if you are joking or not.
 

We'll_live_and_die

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,392
CCFCSteve said:
Supplies, staffing and possibly some difficulties in getting the 80+ year olds down the docs at 3am
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Jab em while they sleep.
But seriously key workers, younger oaps etc would be happy to get somewhere at 3am to get over this virus.
My mid 70s parents really want to cuddle their grandkids and would have no qualms going to the docs in the middle of the night to do so.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,393
How much credit does Chris Whitty need for working shifts in hospital at Christmas. Others too but how brilliant
 
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LastGarrison

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,394
Rich said:
Jab em while they sleep.
But seriously key workers, younger oaps etc would be happy to get somewhere at 3am to get over this virus.
My mid 70s parents really want to cuddle their grandkids and would have no qualms going to the docs in the middle of the night to do so.
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Most old people, well if my Old Man is anything to go by, are up from about 5am anyway aren't they?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,395
hill83 said:
That’s what I mean. I’ve no idea if you are joking or not.
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Neither do I really. No idea how it breaks down or what it includes.
 

We'll_live_and_die

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,396
LastGarrison said:
Most old people, well if my Old Man is anything to go by, are up from about 5am anyway aren't they?
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True and they normally stay up till midnight thanks to all the daytime naps.
They always get up in the middle of the night for the loo too.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,397
hill83 said:
Hopefully just a quick one.

The £12 BILLION test and trace shenanigans that I haven’t heard mentioned for months.

Anyone know why it cost so much yet? 1000 millions 12 times.

Had a beer again and it’s annoying me.
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I know randox have had atleast 500m. That's the randox that was involved in all the dodgy drug driving conviction scandals a few years back....the same randox who sponsor major jockey club events....thats the jockey club that dido Harding and her hubby are on the board of....and based in newmarket....where Matt Hancock is mp.

I know serco have had atleast 500m. Thats the serco of tagging scandals and investigated by the serious fraud office.

Deloitte's are reckoned to have trousered a similar 500m for overseeing the initial outsourcing.

It gets too depressing adding it all up.

Thieving cunts the lot of em.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,398
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I know randox have had atleast 500m. That's the randox that was involved in all the dodgy drug driving conviction scandals a few years back....the same randox who sponsor major jockey club events....thats the jockey club that dido Harding and her hubby are on the board of....and based in newmarket....where Matt Hancock is mp.

I know serco have had atleast 500m. Thats the serco of tagging scandals and investigated by the serious fraud office.

Deloitte's are reckoned to have trousered a similar 500m for overseeing the initial outsourcing.

It gets too depressing adding it all up.

Thieving cunts the lot of em.
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Guess the idea of putting some of these characters on trial afterwards doesn't sound so crazy
 

Ian1779

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,399
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I know randox have had atleast 500m. That's the randox that was involved in all the dodgy drug driving conviction scandals a few years back....the same randox who sponsor major jockey club events....thats the jockey club that dido Harding and her hubby are on the board of....and based in newmarket....where Matt Hancock is mp.

I know serco have had atleast 500m. Thats the serco of tagging scandals and investigated by the serious fraud office.

Deloitte's are reckoned to have trousered a similar 500m for overseeing the initial outsourcing.

It gets too depressing adding it all up.

Thieving cunts the lot of em.
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Harding’s husband is an MP or a peer isn’t he?
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,400
Ian1779 said:
Harding’s husband is an MP or a peer isn’t he?
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Think he's head of some sort of standards comittee so if you complain about Harding it's her husband who'd deal with it.

But let's be honest, why shouldn't they? The same reactionary daily mail cunts who'd lock someone up for life for possession if a bit of weed are quite happy to sit on their hand while this lot Rob them blind.
If they 3ver do a proper deep dive independent enquiry into where all the money's gone during this pandemic the next Tory conference will be held in Pentonville.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,401
clint van damme said:
Think he's head of some sort of standards comittee so if you complain about Harding it's her husband who'd deal with it.

But let's be honest, why shouldn't they? The same reactionary daily mail cunts who'd lock someone up for life for possession if a bit of weed are quite happy to sit on their hand while this lot Rob them blind.
If they 3ver do a proper deep dive independent enquiry into where all the money's gone during this pandemic the next Tory conference will be held in Pentonville.
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It would do what Boris should have done ages ago...get lost
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,402
UHCW are advertising for "Vaccinators" salary doesn't seem that high considering some of the list of qualifications they have given people such as dentists who have offered to help out/

University Hospitals Coventry & Warwickshire

jobs.uhcw.nhs.uk
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,403
David O'Day said:
UHCW are advertising for "Vaccinators" salary doesn't seem that high considering some of the list of qualifications they have given people such as dentists who have offered to help out/

University Hospitals Coventry & Warwickshire

jobs.uhcw.nhs.uk
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As was dentist who offered to help out quipped on Twitter the other day, I can vaccinate 60 patients a day in my current job and that's with them trying to bite me.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,404
hill83 said:
Hopefully just a quick one.

The £12 BILLION test and trace shenanigans that I haven’t heard mentioned for months.

Anyone know why it cost so much yet? 1000 millions 12 times.

Had a beer again and it’s annoying me.
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Haven’t got a clue how they came to that figure, how much of it’s been spent (or whether it will even end being higher - I bet it will be !).They reckon a majority of the 12bn provision will be spent on testing (article below). Did just check and 54m tests have been carried out to date. Not like for like comparison but private tests are around £150 I think

No, contact tracing doesn’t cost £10,000 per contact - Full Fact

The claim made by Independent SAGE is based on the £12 billion cost of the test and trace programme, which is mostly testing not tracing.
fullfact.org

The manual tracing side just hasn’t ever seemed that worthwhile to me, especially after the app was set up. Maybe when you’re dealing with lower case numbers, where you can really suppress transmission but how the fuck are they dealing with 50k+ of cases and connected parties every day ?!!! No chance. They were employing 18k tracers (which I think got reduced to 12k) so kept a few off the dole at least. I’d have them working on the vaccine roll out instead...hopefully with more success !!!

ps reading the article looks like serco (main test and trace contract) profits likely to have increased on the back of it. deserved, probably not, but if the articles correct it’s not like their running off the billions - not to say they’ve earned/deserved the cash from contracts by the way, just a lot of their income would go straight back out on tracers/testing site salaries I bet

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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,405
David O'Day said:
UHCW are advertising for "Vaccinators" salary doesn't seem that high considering some of the list of qualifications they have given people such as dentists who have offered to help out/

University Hospitals Coventry & Warwickshire

jobs.uhcw.nhs.uk
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It's just embarrassing isn't it, govt not even willing to properly fund a vaccination programme so wedded as they are to austerity

I mean ffs even paying the cost of your own DBS check. What the fucking fuck is that all about?
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,406
fernandopartridge said:
It's just embarrassing isn't it, govt not even willing to properly fund a vaccination programme so wedded as they are to austerity

I mean ffs even paying the cost of your own DBS check. What the fucking fuck is that all about?
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Basically they are offering contact centre level wages which for such a vital role is shocking
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,407
David O'Day said:
Basically they are offering contact centre level wages which for such a vital role is shocking
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It’s assuming goodwill will spur people to do it anyway, which they probably will
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,408
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s assuming goodwill will spur people to do it anyway, which they probably will
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Not sure they will. As FP said you have to pay for your own DBS check which most people will think fuck that as it's an up front cost
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,409
David O'Day said:
Not sure they will. As FP said you have to pay for your own DBS check which most people will think fuck that as it's an up front cost
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We’ll see, but think many retired medical professionals have already made the offer. Complaining less about the pay and more about the paperwork they’re being asked for
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #39,410
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We’ll see, but think many retired medical professionals have already made the offer. Complaining less about the pay and more about the paperwork they’re being asked for
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yes but they are offering as part time volunteers, you need loads more people than just them
 
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