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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #38,851
Grendel said:
nw is Norman Tebitt
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Should have salaires redrawn anyway. Certain professions deserve far more than they get and others... less.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #38,852
Grendel said:
But everyone has issues you are not unique and in some respects are far more privileged than others but there is never any recognition of that
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This private/public sector debate doesn't do anyone any good and it just divides the workforce. You don't know any of my background other than where I went to school but are pretty quick to judge. Then again you have been flaunting your salary around here for years and on occasion mocked other people's income.

If I say I think there should be a short term nationwide lockdown it doesn't mean I think every business can close its doors or that I'm fine with people losing their jobs. The whole point of my job is to put others before myself which is what I've done the best I can. It doesn't mean I think everyone else is dossing it up. You can see the case numbers and the evidence which shows that in the UK there is a new more infectious strain that has mostly replaced the one in other countries.

All I've proposed is a month of closing what ever can be closed while the vaccine is rolled out and case numbers drop. The state does have the means to provide relief and security in the short term. What would you say to those working in hospitals who have been managing high case loads for months? Working from home makes my job harder but I'm offering to do it.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #38,853
Brighton Sky Blue said:
This private/public sector debate doesn't do anyone any good and it just divides the workforce. You don't know any of my background other than where I went to school but are pretty quick to judge. Then again you have been flaunting your salary around here for years and on occasion mocked other people's income.

If I say I think there should be a short term nationwide lockdown it doesn't mean I think every business can close its doors or that I'm fine with people losing their jobs. The whole point of my job is to put others before myself which is what I've done the best I can. It doesn't mean I think everyone else is dossing it up. You can see the case numbers and the evidence which shows that in the UK there is a new more infectious strain that has mostly replaced the one in other countries.

All I've proposed is a month of closing what ever can be closed while the vaccine is rolled out and case numbers drop. The state does have the means to provide relief and security in the short term. What would you say to those working in hospitals who have been managing high case loads for months? Working from home makes my job harder but I'm offering to do it.
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Your last two sentences are just jaw dropping let’s leave it there
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #38,854
hill83 said:
It should be nationalised again imo. That's a whole other thread though.
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Stupid commie idea
 

speedie87

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #38,855
The work from home thing if you can needs to be better enforced. I work in an office of about 35 people and I’m one of only a couple of people who were working from home in Nov- Dec as the boss kept sending emails around telling people to go into the office. We work on a hosted system so absolutely we can work from home. Ok may need a couple of people in office but at moment it’s one or not I’m rather than one or two in.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #38,856
hill83 said:
Yes and it's a shit situation. I'd prefer schools to be closed and some free time off to look after my son.

I've had an absolute shit year of it work wise. I've had 1 day off since 14th December. A £5k paycut, and I still have to go into an office.
Do I moan, well yes I am right now. Have you stopped moaning for the last 9 months? Have you bollocks.

Starting to piss me off.
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It's a reflection of my state of mind. Other half is a teacher as well, she has spent the last 9 months a wreck for most of it because of workload, getting COVID off the kids or one thing or another. At least I can tell her to stop moaning and adapt and get on with it. I can't take it out on her, or the kids at school, but I also can't bottle it up so got to vent somewhere.

The last thing I *want* is to be teaching from home, or for you to be working round the clock or for others to lose their jobs. Everyone should be able to vent and complain without being accused of thinking it's all about them.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 3, 2021
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fernandopartridge said:
Stupid commie idea
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Some things should have always remained under public ownership such as transport and especially rail
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 3, 2021
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Grendel said:
Some things should have always remained under public ownership such as transport and especially rail
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First the Guardian, now this...

Are you alright?
 
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stupot07

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #38,859
Personally, I think the government should be being proactive, we know the new variants R rate is much higher, and we know that it is more transmissible through kids than the old one.

Hospitals across the country are already bursting at the seams, the numbers in hospitals are are already 10% higher than at the peak of the first wave and on top of that we still have the surge from the stupid Christmas opening of lockdown, which will start to hit from the middle of next week.

People should be working from home where they can, and if not should be given the ppe to make themselves as safe as possible.

It's clear driving into work thay pretty much everyone had gone back to working as normal.

The vaccine is being rolled out, we only have another couple of months of pain then we will be back to normal.

'Schools are safe' Boris says, I remember him saying 'Care homes are safe' with a 'protective' ring.

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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #38,860
Grendel said:
Some things should have always remained under public ownership such as transport and especially rail
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Correct. Even Thatcher realised that (rail). If there is a natural monopoly privatisation just extracts profit for no gain to the consumer.
 

hill83

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #38,861
Grendel said:
Some things should have always remained under public ownership such as transport and especially rail
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cowboy1850

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #38,862
For me one thing that shows through is that whatever slogans about "we are all in this together", it just isn't true. The UK is a very divided country, that's before we discuss politics. Secretly I'm pissed off with some people who appear to be breaking the rules, people clearly have been, I don't think is just assumption. My mum in her 70's still doesn't seem to get it. Whoever benefits from this division I hope it's serves them well. The government have gone so far beyond chaotic it's just become a shambles. Even the US media are laughing at us and they're probably the only country that's never had a grip on it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 3, 2021
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cowboy1850 said:
For me one thing that shows through is that whatever slogans about "we are all in this together", it just isn't true. The UK is a very divided country, that's before we discuss politics. Secretly I'm pissed off with some people who appear to be breaking the rules, people clearly have been, I don't think is just assumption. My mum in her 70's still doesn't seem to get it. Whoever benefits from this division I hope it's serves them well. The government have gone so far beyond chaotic it's just become a shambles. Even the US media are laughing at us and they're probably the only country that's never had a grip on it.
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The public vs private sector divisions do harm to them both. Both are needed for a country to function unless you want state owned everything or a complete free market on everything.
 
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  • Jan 3, 2021
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
The public vs private sector divisions do harm to them both. Both are needed for a country to function unless you want state owned everything or a complete free market on everything.
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It's a misnomer anyway - various local authorities seconded people elsewhere during this, anyway. During the first lockdown in March when many more were at home, somebody I know was seconded to clean emergency mortuaries full of Covid patients who'd died... a bit different to the job they'd only just started(!)

It's also false to suggest public sector is insulated. Many councils have used up their reserves during this, as government wouldn't fund the increased costs - while introducing a furlough scheme for private business - and there'll be a consequence down the line employment-wise, for sure.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 3, 2021
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Deleted member 5849 said:
It's a misnomer anyway - various local authorities seconded people elsewhere during this, anyway. During the first lockdown in March when many more were at home, somebody I know was seconded to clean emergency mortuaries full of Covid patients who'd died... a bit different to the job they'd only just started(!)

It's also false to suggest public sector is insulated. Many councils have used up their reserves during this, as government wouldn't fund the increased costs - while introducing a furlough scheme for private business - and there'll be a consequence down the line employment-wise, for sure.
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Most secondary schools haven't been controlled by councils or local authorities for years. It is what is with this stuff now, people turning on each other out of frustration, tiredness, whatever it may be. Always a person at the other end of the keyboard
 
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wingy

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #38,867
The divisions.

Natural to a degree.

Age.
Socio economic /Class

Introduced

Regionality.

Seemingly Public /Private sector.
 

hill83

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #38,868
drinkers and non drinkers
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 3, 2021
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Football Manager vs FIFA
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 3, 2021
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wingy said:
The divisions.

Natural to a degree.

Age.
Socio economic /Class

Introduced

Regionality.

Seemingly Public /Private sector.
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Just disheartening to see people succeed in driving wedges between people who have more in common than they sometimes realise.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #38,871
Bet there are a few tomato ketchup on a breakfast types here
 
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hill83

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Just disheartening to see people succeed in driving wedges between people who have more in common than they sometimes realise.
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Prefer to use hybrid clubs myself, occasionally I'll break out the 3 wood.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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hill83 said:
Prefer to use hybrid clubs myself, occasionally I'll break out the 3 wood.
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I meant potato
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 3, 2021
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fernandopartridge said:
Bet there are a few tomato ketchup on a breakfast types here
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OK, this analogy has totally passed me by in life...!
 

hill83

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  • Jan 3, 2021
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People who like tomato sauce are tramps who watch mrs browns boys
 
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Deleted member 5849

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hill83 said:
People who like tomato sauce are tramps who watch mrs browns boys
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I'll have you know I don't watch Mrs Brown's Boys!
 

covcity4life

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #38,877
60 year old women on my brother in laws side of family passed away from covid this morning

Had diabities but that don't make it acceptable. Take this virus seriously people.

And close the schoooools
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 3, 2021
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I hate the I work harder than you arguments. We are a microcosm of society on here and we are better than this. Of course we should lock down to get the infections down and we will. Boris is dithering again
 

covcity4life

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  • Jan 3, 2021
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Sky Blue Pete said:
I hate the I work harder than you arguments. We are a microcosm of society on here and we are better than this. Of course we should lock down to get the infections down and we will. Boris is dithering again
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You have time to volunteer. You do not work hard at all!!

Hehhe
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #38,880
Sky Blue Pete said:
I hate the I work harder than you arguments. We are a microcosm of society on here and we are better than this. Of course we should lock down to get the infections down and we will. Boris is dithering again
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You agree I assume though that most will still go to work regardless
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 3, 2021
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Grendel said:
You agree I assume though that most will still go to work regardless
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I’ve not stopped. These deaths are more needless than the rest of the year. We have a vaccine being rolled out.

Why are we taking unnecessary risks?? Bizarre
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 3, 2021
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hill83 said:
People who like tomato sauce are tramps who watch mrs browns boys
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I definitely don't watch Mrs Browns boys!
 

covcity4life

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  • Jan 3, 2021
  • #38,883
clint van damme said:
I definitely don't watch Mrs Browns boys!
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Surely brown sauce fans would
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 3, 2021
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covcity4life said:
60 year old women on my brother in laws side of family passed away from covid this morning

Had diabities but that don't make it acceptable. Take this virus seriously people.

And close the schoooools
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what a start to the new year for her family, sorry to hear that.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 3, 2021
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55000 new infections
454 deaths - got to be one of the largest Sunday figures ever.

I’m sure Boris is correct though optimism will get us through this
 
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