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David O'Day

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  • Dec 23, 2020
  • #38,081
Skybluefaz said:
Thought they were still ready to go. Not entirely sure though
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Were they not struggling for staff
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2020
  • #38,082
David O'Day said:
Were they not struggling for staff
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Think if it came to needing to use them then yes
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2020
  • #38,083
Nick said:
What's happened to those nightingale hospitals
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They don't need them.

There was also a lot of NHS workers who offered to return to work after they had left or retired etc. They weren't needed either.

Again, the death rates are lethal if you are in certain categories, but under 60s without underlying health conditions, the number is about 300 from the whole year. (No that doesn't mean I think over 60s and vulnerable people are expendable.)
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2020
  • #38,084
Skybluefaz said:
Think if it came to needing to use them then yes
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you would of thought they'd have realised you need specialist staff for them
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,085
Just saw this. No context so don't shoot me down.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,086
The Manchester Nightingale as I stated way back in April or May is only meant for step down care from ICU, either people fit enough to recover or, more likely, palliative care for people who won't make it.
Even with specialist staff these places cannot look after critically ill patients, it's not just an ICU nurse who looks after somebody, large array of staff from across the hospital in the MDT.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,087
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Just saw this. No context so don't shoot me down.
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Why have you posted it here then?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,088
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
They don't need them.

There was also a lot of NHS workers who offered to return to work after they had left or retired etc. They weren't needed either.

Again, the death rates are lethal if you are in certain categories, but under 60s without underlying health conditions, the number is about 300 from the whole year. (No that doesn't mean I think over 60s and vulnerable people are expendable.)
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People under 60 still get ill, just because they don't die doesn't mean they do not end up in hospital.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,089
fernandopartridge said:
Why have you posted it here then?
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Because it is a thread about coronavirus.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,090
fernandopartridge said:
People under 60 still get ill, just because they don't die doesn't mean they do not end up in hospital.
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That isn't my point.

The virus is largely harmless to the majority of the population.
 

cowboy1850

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,091
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Just saw this. No context so don't shoot me down.
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My wife works for the NHS but not on the "frontline". Some of the things she shows me are a bit surprising.

I'm not knocking the NHS.... but it's a shame tax payers money is definitely being wasted on some people who are not focused on their work or seemingly uncaring about their lack of professionalism.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,092
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
That isn't my point.

The virus is largely harmless to the majority of the population.
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It is reckoned that if you vaccinate the 9 groups identified as a priority for receiving it you effectively eliminate hospitalisations. Below those groups other diseases become just as if not slightly more dangerous. If I get flu I will be out for a week, if I get COVID there’s a strong chance I won’t realise.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,093
cowboy1850 said:
My wife works for the NHS but not on the "frontline". Some of the things she shows me are a bit surprising.

I'm not knocking the NHS.... but it's a shame tax payers money is definitely being wasted on some people who are not focused on their work or seemingly uncaring about their lack of professionalism.
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To be honest if I was in hospital I would tell them to pull the plug so I could avoid having to witness that first hand.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,094
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
That isn't my point.

The virus is largely harmless to the majority of the population.
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You were talking about hospital capacity
 

Wyken Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,095
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Why are there so many elderly people wondering around the supermarket at this time?

You literally have all fucking day to go, yet you choose the busiest time during a pandemic. I just finished paying in Asda and some old woman and her daughter, I presume, were waddling towards the exit, causing a massive queue of shoppers. The trail of trolleys were like planes waiting to get on the runway to take off .
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,096
Are some people really getting upset because some people in a very stressful job sometimes have a bit of fun at work?
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,097
skyblue1991 said:

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This content doesn't load and seems to insist I install Tapatalk .
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,098
David O'Day said:
Are some people really getting upset because some people in a very stressful job sometimes have a bit of fun at work?
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Some mover's on that and I'd like to identify the tune lol.
Could simply be a mood,motivational exercise before going on shift,who knows?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,099
Nick said:
What's happened to those nightingale hospitals
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No staff - massive waste of money
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,100
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Just saw this. No context so don't shoot me down.
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Nick loves these
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,101
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
That isn't my point.

The virus is largely harmless to the majority of the population.
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South African strain sounds interesting
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,102
Sky Blue Pete said:
No staff - massive waste of money
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I think Fernandos explanation is more accurate. My understanding is that they aren’t there to care for those severely ill but can act as an overflow for patients....rather than having situations like abroad early in the pandemic when there were patients in corridors etc. Or I presume to also minimise a repeat of elderly patients being cleared out of hospital back into care homes without proper testing etc. Very much a last resort but better than the alternative so not as big a waste as some may believe

Ps that’s not to say there’s not staff shortages. 30k+ of nursing vacancies indicates that !
 

LastGarrison

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,103
I hear 400 people went for a lateral flow test yesterday morning in Cov and 11 tested positive despite being asymptomatic.

You can see how this thing could absolutely rip around the UK even further following the Christmas bubbles!

Surely has to be another national lockdown in January?
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,104
LastGarrison said:
I hear 400 people went for a lateral flow test yesterday morning in Cov and 11 tested positive despite being asymptomatic.

You can see how this thing could absolutely rip around the UK even further following the Christmas bubbles!

Surely has to be another national lockdown in January?
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100%

One bit of slightly more positive news. A mate was saying a vaccination site in the NW was slick/impressive. Need the AZ/Oxford vaccine to be approved, ideally asap (I know I keep banging on about it but assuming it works on all the new variants it’s main hope for a quick return to ‘normality’). Would be a massive boost to national morale as there are limits to current vaccine programme

Edit - I’m getting a feeling that we’ve got this extra transmissible strain when there is massive lockdown fatigue. Not a good combo
 
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LastGarrison

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  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,105
CCFCSteve said:
100%

One bit of slightly more positive news. A mate was saying a vaccination site in the NW was slick/impressive. Need the AZ/Oxford vaccine to be approved, ideally asap (I know I keep banging on about it but assuming it works on all the new variants it’s main hope for a quick return to ‘normality’). Would be a massive boost to national morale as there are limits to current vaccine programme
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Definitely and UHCW’s is also now all set up and ready to go which should hopefully speed up the roll out of the vaccination process around here and especially if as predicted the AZ/Oxford one gets its approval by the end of the year.

It does seem thoroughly shit at the moment and I think January is going to be even worse (is dry Jan a good thing this time around? ) but we all have to be hopeful that these vaccines work and get to the most vulnerable as soon as possible and things can naturally start to ease up.

Second half of 2021 could be potentially a fucking fantastic 6 month party!!
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,106
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
That isn't my point.

The virus is largely harmless to the majority of the population.
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What constitutes an underlying condition?
 

Wyken Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,107
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Why are there so many elderly people wondering around the supermarket at this time?

You literally have all fucking day to go, yet you choose the busiest time during a pandemic. I just finished paying in Asda and some old woman and her daughter, I presume, were waddling towards the exit, causing a massive queue of shoppers. The trail of trolleys were like planes waiting to get on the runway to take off .
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Things that annoy you

Sat in the office tired and bored, so here goes... People who spell lose as "loose" and vice versa
www.skybluestalk.co.uk
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,108
Nick said:
What's happened to those nightingale hospitals
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Depends who you want to believe, either a PR stunt as there's no staff or not needed as hospitals haven't been overwhelmed.

There was a press report months ago that hospitals in London had been referring patients only to be turned down. Think it might have been the Guardian. They claimed to have seen paperwork from multiple hospitals showing patients being turned away due to staffing issues.

The Department of Health then gave a Fisher-esque statement saying it was normal business practice to turn patients away from a hospital with masses of free capacity.

Apparently the London one alone needed over 15K additional staff, no idea what the plan was to get those sort of numbers in.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,109
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It is reckoned that if you vaccinate the 9 groups identified as a priority for receiving it you effectively eliminate hospitalisations. Below those groups other diseases become just as if not slightly more dangerous. If I get flu I will be out for a week, if I get COVID there’s a strong chance I won’t realise.
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Needs a lot more work but there are studies out there that show a decent percentage of asymptomatic cases have heart and lung damage after recovery. How that will impact on long term health is an unknown at the moment.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,110
Deleted member 5849 said:
What constitutes an underlying condition?
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There was a doctor on the radio months ago who named three common conditions that in general didn't impact day to day life but would be considered an underlying condition, claimed you were talking about well over half the population with just those (was being overweight, asthma and something else I can't remember - maybe high blood pressure), then add in the elderly and other underlying conditions and the percentage of the population you have left starts shrinking rapidly.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,111
chiefdave said:
There was a doctor on the radio months ago who named three common conditions that in general didn't impact day to day life but would be considered an underlying condition, claimed you were talking about well over half the population with just those (was being overweight, asthma and something else I can't remember - maybe high blood pressure), then add in the elderly and other underlying conditions and the percentage of the population you have left starts shrinking rapidly.
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They break underlying conditions down on one of the PHE deaths spreadsheet I think (or certainly used to) but then lump a load in ‘other’ which includes obesity but not sure what else. I actually emailed them to ask what else was included, as I’m dull like that, but from memory basically they said the level of information received from the trusts was inconsistent so they couldn’t break it down further for the spreadsheet - fair enough really, probably got far better things to do !!!

ps I’ve said before that there should’ve been a massive push on exercise and fitness as some of the underlying conditions could be improved by people being more active thereby hopefully reducing impact of virus
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,112
chiefdave said:
Needs a lot more work but there are studies out there that show a decent percentage of asymptomatic cases have heart and lung damage after recovery. How that will impact on long term health is an unknown at the moment.
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What is a decent percentage?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,113
Deleted member 5849 said:
What constitutes an underlying condition?
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High blood pressure, obesity to name but two very common conditions
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,114
chiefdave said:
Needs a lot more work but there are studies out there that show a decent percentage of asymptomatic cases have heart and lung damage after recovery. How that will impact on long term health is an unknown at the moment.
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I’m yet to be convinced by those but willing to change my view once a consensus emerges.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2020
  • #38,115
LastGarrison said:
Definitely and UHCW’s is also now all set up and ready to go which should hopefully speed up the roll out of the vaccination process around here and especially if as predicted the AZ/Oxford one gets its approval by the end of the year.

It does seem thoroughly shit at the moment and I think January is going to be even worse (is dry Jan a good thing this time around? ) but we all have to be hopeful that these vaccines work and get to the most vulnerable as soon as possible and things can naturally start to ease up.

Second half of 2021 could be potentially a fucking fantastic 6 month party!!
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Organise my stag if you like, Dom’s gone off the radar
 
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