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Ian1779

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,701
Grendel said:
Can’t they have exams delayed until September and then delay university start times?
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I think they should try and find a way to get exams for A Levels on - they are more important for next life stages. Given 6th formers have a much narrower spread of subjects and would in general be more likely to engage with remote learning I think this could be a way going forward as the impact of time it of school would be less severe IMO.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,702
Grendel said:
Can’t they have exams delayed until September and then delay university start times?
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That's the thing I am finding really odd about the whole thing, the assumption that everything needs to fit into conventional arbitrary timetables.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,703
Sowing the seeds now for the inevitable extension - blame will be attributed to the people.

Covid-19: Next two weeks 'crucial' for ending England lockdown
 

Ian1779

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,704
fernandopartridge said:
That's the thing I am finding really odd about the whole thing, the assumption that everything needs to fit into conventional arbitrary timetables.
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I get the point - but these timelines are generally embedded in the entire education system from early years to Uni. Making a change to the overall timeline is possible, but needs a level of skill and planning that is non-existent based on the evidence we have seen so far.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,705

Church leaders launch legal challenge over lockdown closure

Pastors claim human right to express religious faith infringed by second lockdown
www.independent.co.uk


How about FO and get in line like the rest of us.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,706
wingy said:

Church leaders launch legal challenge over lockdown closure

Pastors claim human right to express religious faith infringed by second lockdown
www.independent.co.uk
Such an own goal for me. It’s 4 weeks. Chill out and have patience

How about FO and get in line like the rest of us.
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,707
Cases in the Coventry area are going in the wrong direction again after seeming to level of and start to drop.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,708
David O'Day said:
Cases in the Coventry area are going in the wrong direction again after seeming to level of and start to drop.
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Yep. R of 1 still means 25000 or so infections doesn’t it
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,709
Cummings leaving mean we'll listen more, or less, to the scientists?

Cummings seemed to argue with them and get his own way sometimes, but more influence for the likes of Duncan Smith would suggest scientists would have less of a role in policy going forward.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,710
Deleted member 5849 said:
Cummings leaving mean we'll listen more, or less, to the scientists?

Cummings seemed to argue with them and get his own way sometimes, but more influence for the likes of Duncan Smith would suggest scientists would have less of a role in policy going forward.
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How the hell has ids more influence in this world than me
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,711
Deleted member 5849 said:
Cummings leaving mean we'll listen more, or less, to the scientists?

Cummings seemed to argue with them and get his own way sometimes, but more influence for the likes of Duncan Smith would suggest scientists would have less of a role in policy going forward.
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Come off it, Cummings was not in charge.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,712
Nearly at 2k hospital admissions a day, the deaths without the arbitrary 28 day cut off are 60k+ already, it'll get pretty close to 100k by Christmas at this rate
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,713
fernandopartridge said:
Come off it, Cummings was not in charge.
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He has, perversely, been a filter from the likes of IDS though - a man whose utter and total failure as a leader doesn't, for some reason, stop him from getting a seat at the top table.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,714
Deleted member 5849 said:
He has, perversely, been a filter from the likes of IDS though - a man whose utter and total failure as a leader doesn't, for some reason, stop him from getting a seat at the top table.
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Won’t stop Ed Milliband either of labour were in power
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,715
Deleted member 5849 said:
He has, perversely, been a filter from the likes of IDS though - a man whose utter and total failure as a leader doesn't, for some reason, stop him from getting a seat at the top table.
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Depending on the path Boris takes (liberal)he knows he'll get the backing of Starmer , unless he swing's to the more hawkish zealots like IDS etc.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,716
Grendel said:
Won’t stop Ed Milliband either of labour were in power
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Was Ed extreme?
Genuine question?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,717
wingy said:
Was Ed extreme?
Genuine question?
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As ever, Grendel's missing what failure is, too, in his attempts to divert from what a horrendous shitshow IDS was and is. William Hague had terrible election results, but wasn't an abject failure as leader - it was entirely sensible he'd end up in cabinet later, if he wanted it.

IDS however, hounded out by his own MPs for sub-Corbyn levels of feebleness. Yet now, apparently, has the ear of the great and the good?!?
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,718
Deleted member 5849 said:
As ever, Grendel's missing what failure is, too, in his attempts to divert from what a horrendous shitshow IDS was and is. William Hague had terrible election results, but wasn't an abject failure as leader - it was entirely sensible he'd end up in cabinet later, if he wanted it.

IDS however, hounded out by his own MPs for sub-Corbyn levels of feebleness. Yet now, apparently, has the ear of the great and the good?!?
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I do find it strange, does he know where the skelingtons are

How the media seem to go to him is befuddling.
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,719
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But then isn't private enterprise supposed to be about adapting to change better and those that do thrive and take the place of those that don't?

For example, if you're not supporting smaller city centre businesses (even though many offices etc are now out-of-town business parks and city centres are largely full of chain outlets) you could instead be supporting businesses on your local high st by getting lunch etc from shops near your house. Unneeded commercial property etc could be replaced with housing/apartments which we know are undersupplied. This allows city centre to reimagine themelves as areas people live in again with greater access to things like entertainment on the doorstep. It could rejuvenate them massively and make them quite desirable.

There's huge potential and opportunities in making the change.
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Very true. We've got a prime opportunity here to change things for the better yet there seems to be a strong desire to go back to how things were to keep property developers and huge international companies happy.

Interesting article about 15 minute cities which is a similar idea. Basically that instead of having to drive for work, drive to the supermarket, drive coffee shop etc everything you need is within 15 minutes reach of your house by foot, bike or public transport.

The 15-Minute City—No Cars Required—Is Urban Planning’s New Utopia

From Paris to Portland, cities are attempting to give residents everything they need within a few minutes of their front doors. Can it work—without leaving anyone out?
www.bloomberg.com
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,720
wingy said:
Was Ed extreme?
Genuine question?
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I was referencing him as an utter failure as a leader
 

SBAndy

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,721
Grendel said:
I was referencing him as an utter failure as a leader
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Deleted member 5849 said:
As ever, Grendel's missing what failure is, too, in his attempts to divert from what a horrendous shitshow IDS was and is.
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 14, 2020
  • #35,722
fernandopartridge said:
Nearly at 2k hospital admissions a day, the deaths without the arbitrary 28 day cut off are 60k+ already, it'll get pretty close to 100k by Christmas at this rate
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I check the total hospitalised covid patients on PHE reports Fernando (appreciate it’s England only) to keep an eye on the net increase in patients each day. The average net increase is a lot less than the 1.5-2k daily admissions as many patients admitted to hospital are now coming out again a few days later which is obviously great news (unfortunately some will also be passing away)

There’s been a couple of big jumps over the last few days but hope/think it’s settling a little.

Ps IDS was a poor leader. He certainly shouldnt be a big influence (gets way too much media attention)
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 15, 2020
  • #35,723
Now I think anti vaxxers are absolute roasters.
But scanning today's news I've seen articles about Labour wanting social media platforms to censor anti Vax content and in Denmark they want to introduce enforced vaccination for certain groups.

A bit draconian surely?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 15, 2020
  • #35,724
clint van damme said:
Now I think anti vaxxers are absolute roasters.
But scanning today's news I've seen articles about Labour wanting social media platforms to censor anti Vax content and in Denmark they want to introduce enforced vaccination for certain groups.

A bit draconian surely?
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Yes, new Labour is back most definitely
 

Ian1779

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  • Nov 15, 2020
  • #35,725
clint van damme said:
Now I think anti vaxxers are absolute roasters.
But scanning today's news I've seen articles about Labour wanting social media platforms to censor anti Vax content and in Denmark they want to introduce enforced vaccination for certain groups.

A bit draconian surely?
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The focus groups don’t want their Twitter feeds full of this nonsense as it makes it more difficult to show off their Algarve photos and look for their next ski trip location.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 15, 2020
  • #35,726
clint van damme said:
Now I think anti vaxxers are absolute roasters.
But scanning today's news I've seen articles about Labour wanting social media platforms to censor anti Vax content and in Denmark they want to introduce enforced vaccination for certain groups.

A bit draconian surely?
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Depends what. An I don't want the vaccine because it's unproven yet - fine. A Bill Gates eats your babies, less fine
 
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ajsccfc

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  • Nov 15, 2020
  • #35,727
If it was part of a wider call for social media to do more about dangerous lies and the impressionable audience they reach I'm all for it
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 15, 2020
  • #35,728
If instant bans for sharing unlicensed football highlights is fine, but censoring people trying to undermine public health is draconian, then sign me up as draconian.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 15, 2020
  • #35,729
SBT said:
If instant bans for sharing unlicensed football highlights is fine, but censoring people trying to undermine public health is draconian, then sign me up as draconian.
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You think it will end there?
It's a slippery slope if you ask me, and If people don't want to get the vaccine fuck 'em, the more for the rest of us.
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 15, 2020
  • #35,730
clint van damme said:
You think it will end there?
It's a slippery slope if you ask me, and If people don't want to get the vaccine fuck 'em, the more for the rest of us.
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You’re focused on the wrong slippery slope. If people don’t want to get the vaccine, the vaccine is worthless.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 15, 2020
  • #35,731
Deleted member 5849 said:
Depends what. An I don't want the vaccine because it's unproven yet - fine. A Bill Gates eats your babies, less fine
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Yeah, agreed. I don’t like lumping everyone in together, there’s various different ‘antivax’ groups from the absolute nutjobs to the ‘unproven’ concerned people you mention, to people like me and a couple of a my mates. We’re wondering if the risk of Covid to us (we reckon we’ve all possibly had it anyway) is less than a rushed vaccine and also whether we, as a country or world, will get away with just vaccinating those most at risk like with annual flu anyway

I think we’d all have it if that was the only we’d get herd immunity/protect others but otherwise I’d be in no rush to take for myself - that might well change when we know more about Covid and/or vaccines though
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 15, 2020
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clint van damme said:
You think it will end there?
It's a slippery slope if you ask me, and If people don't want to get the vaccine fuck 'em, the more for the rest of us.
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I'm basically on Facebook for groups to share my hobbies. Turns out the people who like my posts are reactionary swivel eyed loons. Some of the posts on their profile pages are all about how government want to control, and track (if they thought rationally, they'd realise that even if they wanted to, our government would be unable to track our movements, even if they implanted all of us) and how the flu vaccine is really Mercury and kills everyone who takes it.

That kind of nutter behaviour is bad enough on a profile page. Extend it to adverts and absolutely, it should be banned.

Also, if any vaccine is 90% effective, it needs as many as possible to have it, to damp the risk. I'm not for forcing people to have it, but am for the censoring of crazed bullshit.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 15, 2020
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CCFCSteve said:
I think we’d all have it if that was the only we’d get herd immunity/protect others but otherwise I’d be in no rush to take for myself - that might well change when we know more about Covid and/or vaccines though
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As said below, if a vaccine is only 90% effective, to damp rates it needs more to have it.
 
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fatso

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  • Nov 15, 2020
  • #35,734
Surely it’s very simple, when the vaccine becomes readily available, all restrictions can end. Those that want the vaccine can have it, those who don’t won’t.
If you choose not to have it, and then you get it, you can self isolate for 10 days while you watch box sets on Netflix, and then your ok to go out again.
(That is the recommended treatment).
If you get it bad and end up in hospital, That’s your risk, get on with it.
It’s much the same for influenza, (Which is also a covid virus)
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 15, 2020
  • #35,735
Deleted member 5849 said:
As said below, if a vaccine is only 90% effective, to damp rates it needs more to have it.
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A quick google suggests exactly that. In the UK the aim for existing vaccines is 95% uptake. At that point the infamous herd immunity kicks in as circulation drops, below that you have things like the measles outbreak in Wales a few years back.

If the vaccine is 90% effective think what happens if only half the country agrees to have it, still huge potential for outbreaks and the NHS being overrun. Hopefully the anti-vexers are a loud but very small group and most people will have it so we can get back to something approaching normal by next summer.
 
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