Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (28 Viewers)

shmmeee · Nov 11, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Some schools did cheat at coursework though shmmeee, it was an open secret.

They did. I saw it with my own eyes.

But equally rich people game the exam system and it rewards a certain personality type that aligns well with academia but not the economy. Schools cheat the system by dropping subjects outside the measures and drilling kids with exam prep for months at a time and doing constant resits and picking the easy exam boards and excluding kids and so on and so on.

The sausage factory method of education helps no one but those able to game it thanks to socioeconomic factors. It rewards a certain narrow type of teaching and politicians only and I’d like to see it gone.

Do holistic assessment of schools and bringing a portfolio and letter of recommendation alongside some basic numeracy and literacy tests. The rest is mostly nonsense that all measures the same thing.

Ian1779 · Nov 11, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Which is what?

League tables would be the principal contributor.

shmmeee · Nov 11, 2020

Ian1779 said:
League tables would be the principal contributor.

The problem is politics. Always said this. Twenty years plus system with multiple aims and multiple influences that they want a nice number they can put on their campaign leaflets every five years.

We’ve added testing out the wazoo to our education system over the last thirty years and we haven’t significantly raised standards compared to the rest of the world. Weighing a pig doesn’t make it fatter, time to go back to trying to educate kids instead of gaming excel spreadsheets IMO.

Ian1779 · Nov 11, 2020

shmmeee said:
The problem is politics. Always said this. Twenty years plus system with multiple aims and multiple influences that they want a nice number they can put on their campaign leaflets every five years.

We’ve added testing out the wazoo to our education system over the last thirty years and we haven’t significantly raised standards compared to the rest of the world. Weighing a pig doesn’t make it fatter, time to go back to trying to educate kids instead of game excel spreadsheets IMO.

You only have to look at some of the bizarre decisions made about students on an individual level in an effort to ‘meet the criteria’ required for government measures.

Just one example that I find really detrimental for some students is when we put students that have low literacy levels (due to factors such as moderate learning difficulties or maybe English not being a first language) through subjects that require a reading level beyond their ability to access - the rationale is ‘they need to hit their 8 subjects’ or ‘we need an Ebacc subject’. They are being set up to fail, and actually in doing so we are destroying any chance of nurturing the engagement of learning, impact on their results not just at 16 but in future years as they’ve had such a poor experience.

It something that is so archaic that it is beyond logical reasoning, but so many people have a compete blind spot to it. It’s stopped being about what’s best for the student - now just wants the best for the schools performance criteria.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Nov 11, 2020

shmmeee said:
The problem is politics. Always said this. Twenty years plus system with multiple aims and multiple influences that they want a nice number they can put on their campaign leaflets every five years.

We’ve added testing out the wazoo to our education system over the last thirty years and we haven’t significantly raised standards compared to the rest of the world. Weighing a pig doesn’t make it fatter, time to go back to trying to educate kids instead of gaming excel spreadsheets IMO.

Despite adding in my twopenneth on these discussions I've never wanted to get involved in politics or political parties because that's the bit that prevents good policy and governance. It's just a shitshow aimed at getting one over the other rather than doing what's best and i can't be bothered with that shit.

Of all the crap Trump did the one thing I think he may be onto is using social media to get policies out there and debated. You could spend years trying to get the political machines to recognise and implement an idea and get nowhere. Or you can put it out on twitter and potentially have the entire world read it and debate/improve it and call for it to be implemented.

Of course it does mean that a lot of shit and horrific ideas get banded about too, as we've seen with Trump himself, but it's far more effective than traditional routes.

shmmeee · Nov 11, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Despite adding in my twopenneth on these discussions I've never wanted to get involved in politics or political parties because that's the bit that prevents good policy and governance. It's just a shitshow aimed at getting one over the other rather than doing what's best and i can't be bothered with that shit.

Of all the crap Trump did the one thing I think he may be onto is using social media to get policies out there and debated. You could spend years trying to get the political machines to recognise and implement an idea and get nowhere. Or you can put it out on twitter and potentially have the entire world read it and debate/improve it and call for it to be implemented.

Of course it does mean that a lot of shit and horrific ideas get banded about too, as we've seen with Trump himself, but it's far more effective than traditional routes.

I sort of agree. Not sure. Look at the Brexit “debate” in public and the shit polling turns up and I’m not sure the Internet lives up to its great ideal as a marketplace of ideas. I actually think the best debate is in the Lords where you have a smattering of experts, experienced politicians and no worries about electability.

I think TBF to politicians even without them target culture would take over. It gives people lacking confidence in their management ability an easy stick to hold.

wingy · Nov 12, 2020

Staff who work from home after pandemic 'should pay more tax'

Deutsche Bank report argues that the proceeds should help lower-paid workers

www.theguardian.com

FFS.
The wrong target.
What a stupid idea.

clint van damme · Nov 12, 2020

wingy said:
Staff who work from home after pandemic 'should pay more tax'

Deutsche Bank report argues that the proceeds should help lower-paid workers

www.theguardian.com

FFS.
The wrong target.
What a stupid idea.

Deutchse bank lecturing about paying tax - fucking hell, what a year.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 12, 2020

I do, tbf, get the wider principle. Ironically I've never been so well off since I had to stop driving in!

That said, I've always WFH in my other job, so having a pay cut there long term wouldn't be great.

wingy · Nov 12, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
I do, tbf, get the wider principle. Ironically I've never been so well off since I had to stop driving in!

That said, I've always WFH in my other job, so having a pay cut there long term wouldn't be great.

So do I in principle.
Just the wrong target,anti Green,and should come from the sectors in business who've received a far bigger uptick in their businesses and thus profit.
Like I say wrong target .

David O'Day · Nov 12, 2020

The DB does raise some good and economically sound points about not fully paying into the system and still taking out the same as everyone else.

If you move away from the headline it is just 1 or a number of ideas. An employer supplement for home workers is also floated for example.

chiefdave · Nov 12, 2020

Do DB have investments in commercial property by any chance?

fernandopartridge · Nov 12, 2020

chiefdave said:
Do DB have investments in commercial property by any chance?

Of course they do.

shmmeee · Nov 12, 2020

A WFH tax is completely unworkable.

And we want people working from home, why would we discourage it? Less waste, less CO2. I’d rather tax those companies having an office for no good reason TBH.

Just tax Amazon already. We know that’s where the money went

Grendel · Nov 12, 2020

You can actually claim tax relief for WFH

fernandopartridge · Nov 12, 2020

Grendel said:
You can actually claim tax relief for WFH

Yeah, my employer advised this when a question was raised about support for additional energy costs etc.

Skybluefaz · Nov 12, 2020

Super quick to do

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 12, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
Yeah, my employer advised this when a question was raised about support for additional energy costs etc.

We keep getting those questions in our briefings. Makes me wonder if people actually listen.

fernandopartridge · Nov 12, 2020

I've just claimed tax relief online, easy to do tbf.

Sick Boy · Nov 12, 2020

Grendel said:
I don’t suppose so but Italy are forecasting 10,000 deaths next month, France are up to 60,000 infections a day and Spain’s health service has collapsed so relatively speaking it’s par for the course

Belgium now having locked down admit they have totally lost control and infection rate is spiralling to be the worst per head in Europe

Unfortunately 10,000 a day is possible if the government doesn’t implement a lockdown, they’ll end up doing so within the next 10 days, I think.

Sick Boy · Nov 12, 2020

The WFH tax is ridiculous - why not tax employers more now they’ll be able to save money on excessive rents? Or just make the likes of Amazon pay tax properly.

Sky Blue Pete · Nov 12, 2020

33500 infections today. Some anomaly catch up I’m sure. No death statistics yet. Wonder how bad it is

fernandopartridge · Nov 12, 2020

Numbers are grim as fuck. 27k cases specimen date of 9th Nov mostly in England.

I don't think it can be explained as mass testing though as only 249 cases found through 44k mass tests since Friday 6th Nov. That's unless there are other areas doing it at the same time.

They've stopped the Pillar 1 and 2 split report now as well

Sick Boy · Nov 12, 2020

Numbers are shite here as well - just under 38,000 infections and over 600 deaths - the government seem to be copying Johnson’a strategy and leaving it up to the regions - they actually have more power here though.
It’s still shocking leadership - I said before being a strong and effective leader is about taking unpopular decisions, especially when you might benefit from hindsight.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 12, 2020

Sick Boy said:
Numbers are shite here as well - just under 38,000 infections and over 600 deaths - the government seem to be copying Johnson’a strategy and leaving it up to the regions - they actually have more power here though.
It’s still shocking leadership - I said before being a strong and effective leader is about taking unpopular decisions, especially when you might benefit from hindsight.

Bizarre considering Italy suppressed it quite well by being strict last time.

Kieranp96 · Nov 12, 2020

RedSalmon said:
Have just seen an article in the Guardian (unable to link) saying the Government are expecting GP clinics to administer 975 vaccines a week, working 12 hour shifts, seven days a week. Hope they plan and organise this better than the ongoing fiasco we know as Track and Trace.

So they reckon they can only do 11 vaccines per hour across the country?

chiefdave · Nov 12, 2020

Quick recap:

'Eat out to help out' may have caused sixth of Covid clusters over summer

Treasury rejects researcher’s claim that its scheme was closely linked to rise in cases

www.theguardian.com

And todays update:

COVID-19: Sunak declines to rule out return of Eat Out To Help Out

The chancellor told officials that the government would look at a "range of things" to get people "out and about" after lockdown.

news.sky.com

wingy · Nov 12, 2020

David O'Day said:
The DB does raise some good and economically sound points about not fully paying into the system and still taking out the same as everyone else.

If you move away from the headline it is just 1 or a number of ideas. An employer supplement for home workers is also floated for example.

How do you mean'not fully paying in' ?

Sky Blue Pete · Nov 12, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
Numbers are grim as fuck. 27k cases specimen date of 9th Nov mostly in England.

I don't think it can be explained as mass testing though as only 249 cases found through 44k mass tests since Friday 6th Nov. That's unless there are other areas doing it at the same time.

They've stopped the Pillar 1 and 2 split report now as well

What does that mean?

fernandopartridge · Nov 12, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
What does that mean?

Which bit?

Sky Blue Pete · Nov 12, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
Which bit?

Pillar 1 and 2 and case specimen date of 9/11

Sky Blue Pete · Nov 12, 2020

Covid: UK daily cases reach new high of 33,470

The jump in cases comes a day after the UK became the first European country to pass 50,000 deaths.

www.bbc.co.uk

Sick Boy · Nov 12, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Bizarre considering Italy suppressed it quite well by being strict last time.

All about the economy...

Grendel · Nov 12, 2020

Sick Boy said:
Numbers are shite here as well - just under 38,000 infections and over 600 deaths - the government seem to be copying Johnson’a strategy and leaving it up to the regions - they actually have more power here though.
It’s still shocking leadership - I said before being a strong and effective leader is about taking unpopular decisions, especially when you might benefit from hindsight.

Other than Germany and Sweden every country in Europe have shown similar curves with various tinkering of strategy - this sort of tells you there is little than any thing will make a real difference

Sky Blue Pete · Nov 12, 2020

563 deaths. Not very good

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