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Conor Chaplin - Signing Confirmed (Finally!) (15 Viewers)

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chiefdave

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  • Jul 7, 2018
  • #71
Neil Allen won't be happy if he comes here. Hates us. He's from Nuneaton and supports Villa.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 7, 2018
  • #72
Cavan O'Doherty said:
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Same as we said about McNulty a couple of days ago!
 
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Cavan O'Doherty

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  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #73
We’ve bid £250,000 plus add ons according to their newspaper.
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2018
  • #74
Wikipedia getting humorous
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #75
Cavan O'Doherty said:
We’ve bid £250,000 plus add ons according to their newspaper.
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apparently they want 500k

hopefully we can settle around 350-400k
 

Otis

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #76
covcity4life said:
apparently they want 500k

hopefully we can settle around 350-400k
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Was hoping it more went ...

Them : We want 500k

Us: No. 250k

Them: 500k

Us: Okay, 300k

Them: No, 500k

Us: 325k

Them: Okay, 475k

Us: 350k

Them: 400k

Us: 425k!

Them 350k

Us: 425k

Them: 300k

Us: Done!!
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #77
covcity4life said:
apparently they want 500k

hopefully we can settle around 350-400k
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350k up front with 100k in add-ons is more than fair given the fact he only has one year left on his contract
 
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Magwitch

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #78
Not bad price and leaves around a million for others and I think there will be others
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #79
Magwitch said:
Not bad price and leaves around a million for others and I think there will be others
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It isn't all about actual up front transfer fees. Players and agents need to be paid after that.
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #80
Nick said:
It isn't all about actual up front transfer fees. Players and agents need to be paid after that.
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agreed, but he wont be on any more than Mcnulty
the agent fee on 350k may be 50k or so max
so if we got 1.2m for Mcnulty there is still a sizeable pot

could buy 2 more 200k players with wages + agents with the difference
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #81
Nick said:
It isn't all about actual up front transfer fees. Players and agents need to be paid after that.
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It wouldn't add on a considerable amount to the total fee as a combination of transfer/agent/and signing on fee. For instance, apparently last season we spent £113,620 on agent fees from February 1st 2017 to the end of the January transfer window last season - and that was the highest paid out to intermediaries and agents in League Two. Even above Mansfield and Luton. So, I cannot see the agent fee being to extortionate. I couldn't guess the signing on fee but I presume it would be a percentage of his total annual salary - which again wouldn't be steep as we have to comply with FFP and the budget respectively.
 

better days

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #82
JamesCCFC said:
It wouldn't add on a considerable amount to the total fee as a combination of transfer/agent/and signing on fee. For instance, apparently last season we spent £113,620 on agent fees from February 1st 2017 to the end of the January transfer window last season - and that was the highest paid out to intermediaries and agents in League Two. Even above Mansfield and Luton. So, I cannot see the agent fee being to extortionate. I couldn't guess the signing on fee but I presume it would be a percentage of his total annual salary - which again wouldn't be steep as we have to comply with FFP and the budget respectively.
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I think OSB said a club is only allowed to spend 60% of any transfer fees received
At our level wages are usually the biggest factor in getting the best L1 level guys in
Most are on short(ish) contracts and will have been looked at and passed over by higher level clubs for whatever reason - a bit like McNulty until he scored all those goals for us last year
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #83
JamesCCFC said:
It wouldn't add on a considerable amount to the total fee as a combination of transfer/agent/and signing on fee. For instance, apparently last season we spent £113,620 on agent fees from February 1st 2017 to the end of the January transfer window last season - and that was the highest paid out to intermediaries and agents in League Two. Even above Mansfield and Luton. So, I cannot see the agent fee being to extortionate. I couldn't guess the signing on fee but I presume it would be a percentage of his total annual salary - which again wouldn't be steep as we have to comply with FFP and the budget respectively.
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What I mean is that it isn't a case of saying "right we got 1.5m for McNulty so we have to now go and buy players for 1.5m"

It could be that we get some free agents and give them a decent wage instead on a bit more than we could have before. Then there's tax / national insurance etc.

If for example you sign 3 players on a 3k a week contract for 3 years that is going to be most of the McNulty money gone just on wages.
 
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covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #84
i think 2 strikers coming in is possible as robins said at kit launch he was working on a new striker regardless of mcnulty staying or going.
 

covfanman

Active Member
  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #85
Can he play wide though?
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #86
Nick said:
What I mean is that it isn't a case of saying "right we got 1.5m for McNulty so we have to now go and buy players for 1.5m"

It could be that we get some free agents and give them a decent wage instead on a bit more than we could have before. Then there's tax / national insurance etc.

If for example you sign 3 players on a 3k a week contract for 3 years that is going to be most of the McNulty money gone just on wages.
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I think that's a common misconception amongst fans that don't understand the background of a football transfer though. They'll just assume if their supported club gets X amount for their player then they automatically believe all of the X amount is readily available to be spent on another. When in reality the fine print in the majority of transfers are different (in relation to the up-front fee) and the cost that comes after such a sale.

Exactly, plus I think we'd also have to pay VAT on top of the transfer fee which stands at 20%.

This could be the case as MR knows how many players are still needed and won't want to waste a significant proportion of the McNulty fee on one player. With rumours of potentially up to a further 4 players coming in (GK, RM, ST x2) I'd assume a bid of around the 300K - 400K is our absolute maximum for Chaplin because as you've said, put just 3 players on first team contracts and the money would be all but spent.
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #87
better days said:
I think OSB said a club is only allowed to spend 60% of any transfer fees received
At our level wages are usually the biggest factor in getting the best L1 level guys in
Most are on short(ish) contracts and will have been looked at and passed over by higher level clubs for whatever reason - a bit like McNulty until he scored all those goals for us last year
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I'm not 100% but I haven't heard of such a rule being enforced? Is this in the FFP regulations? As I understand it in League 1 clubs can spend a maximum of 60% of their turnover on wages - nothing is mentioned on percentages of transfers as how would they monitor that. There are no actual restrictions (in themselves) on the amount a club can lose or spend on transfer fees.
 
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mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #88
JamesCCFC said:
I think that's a common misconception amongst fans that don't understand the background of a football transfer though. They'll just assume if their supported club gets X amount for their player then they automatically believe all of the X amount is readily available to be spent on another. When in reality the fine print in the majority of transfers are different (in relation to the up-front fee) and the cost that comes after such a sale.

Exactly, plus I think we'd also have to pay VAT on top of the transfer fee which stands at 20%.

This could be the case as MR knows how many players are still needed and won't want to waste a significant proportion of the McNulty fee on one player. With rumours of potentially up to a further 4 players coming in (GK, RM, ST x2) I'd assume a bid of around the 300K - 400K is our absolute maximum for Chaplin because as you've said, put just 3 players on first team contracts and the money would be all but spent.
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Don't forget we were still looking at other players regardless of McNulty staying or going. It's not like the fee received has to cover all remaining business (although suspect it will).
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #89
Clubs in the League 1 and League 2 operate within a Spending Constraint framework termed Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP). SCMP limits spending on player wages to a percentage of club Turnover. In League 1 clubs can spend a maximum of 60% of their turnover on wages - in League 2, the limit is 55%. There are no restrictions (in themselves) on the amount a club can lose or spend on transfer fees.
 
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mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #90
Turnover definition

Under the SCMP rules, the definition of 'Turnover' is particularly important as Turnover is used to determine the maximum wage-spend. Within a traditional accounting perspective, there are usually only three elements of turnover:
  • Match-day Income
  • Commercial Income (such as sponsorship)
  • TV revenue (and any 'merit payments' based on league position)
However the Football League use a is broader definition of Turnover. Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity. Loans from club owners are understandably not included in the Turnover figure as these would result in growing club debts. In League 1 and League 2, a wealthy owner can therefore fund the club spending in a way that is not permitted in other divisions.

Profit on player sales

Any profit made on player sales is included withinTurnover on a cash basis when the instalments are received.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #91
Above look a few years old but presumably still relevant.
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #92
mark82 said:
Don't forget we were still looking at other players regardless of McNulty staying or going. It's not like the fee received has to cover all remaining business (although suspect it will).
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Maybe not, but it all depends on how much room in the budget we have left for any further incomings. Given the fact that he received none of the Maddison money it's likely he'll need to dip into the McNulty kitty as we've already brought in 9 players when 8 have departed. Although the budget has gone up, it hasn't gone up by that much. If a further 2/3 (being realistic) are to come in I'd assume a proportion of the McNulty money will have to be used to cover the costs, unless Beavon, Vincenti and Stokes are moved on quickly of course. But even if they do, MR may look for more ambitious targets that we couldn't afford before now that we have more money at our disposal.
 
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Magwitch

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #93
Robins has basically used a one in one out policy he hopes to jettison Beavon, Stokes and Vincetti so space is there for others be it now, loans or January window
 

Greggs

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #94
Nick said:
What I mean is that it isn't a case of saying "right we got 1.5m for McNulty so we have to now go and buy players for 1.5m"

It could be that we get some free agents and give them a decent wage instead on a bit more than we could have before. Then there's tax / national insurance etc.

If for example you sign 3 players on a 3k a week contract for 3 years that is going to be most of the McNulty money gone just on wages.
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But what if we offered Mcnumpty 5k a week? That still leaves us a big wedge to invest
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #95
Greggs said:
But what if we offered Mcnumpty 5k a week? That still leaves us a big wedge to invest
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It was just an example that it isn't just about transfer fees like people seem to think because they watch too much Deadline Day.
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #96
Greggs said:
But what if we offered Mcnumpty 5k a week? That still leaves us a big wedge to invest
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We will have a cap on player salary's that we cannot breach due to FFP. Plus, simply doubling his wage may unrest players within the camp, regardless of his significance to the squad.
 
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edgy

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #97
McNulty will be on at least 8k-10k a week now.
 
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Magwitch

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #98
Just looked on Conor Chaplin’s Wikipedia page and it has his current club as Coventry City ??
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #99
Magwitch said:
Just looked on Conor Chaplin’s Wikipedia page and it has his current club as Coventry City ??
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Sorry I got carried away
 
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Magwitch

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #100
JamesCCFC said:
The only think about Chaplin that worries me slightly is that he is about 5"6. He'll definitely need someone alongside him if he does sign otherwise MR might as well tell our wingers to never bother crossing.
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How many headers did McNulty score ?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #101
Magwitch said:
Just looked on Conor Chaplin’s Wikipedia page and it has his current club as Coventry City ??
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Wikipedia is editable by anybody. I could invent myself as a professional footballer and member of the current squad if I wanted to.
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #102
Magwitch said:
How many headers did McNulty score ?
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3 out of 28. McNulty is 4 inches taller than Chaplin so what's your point?
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #103
fernandopartridge said:
Wikipedia is editable by anybody. I could invent myself as a professional footballer and member of the current squad if I wanted to.
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That said, when I edited JCH's Wiki to say that he'd signed for us on loan until the end of the season with a few to a permanent move at the end of the season, within about 5 mins some uber-geek with too much times on their hands had undone my change and I got an email telling me that I hadn't put a source-and that was for something that had actually happened! It would have taken them less time to google him and see that it was a fact than it did to undo my edit and email me about it...
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #104
People who hate on Wiki because it's user editable are silly. In straight comparisons it's been found to be more accurate than Encyclopedia Britannica. Obviously less so the more niche the topic is, but the idea that "anyone can put anything" shows a huge lack of understanding as to how a wiki operates.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 9, 2018
  • #105
shmmeee said:
People who hate on Wiki because it's user editable are silly. In straight comparisons it's been found to be more accurate than Encyclopedia Britannica. Obviously less so the more niche the topic is, but the idea that "anyone can put anything" shows a huge lack of understanding as to how a wiki operates.
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My daughter from 7 in IT has been told never to use it because anybody can edit it so it's not reliable so they aren't allowed to use it. I did offer Encarta but doubt even the IT teacher would know what it was.
 
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