Climate change and activists (2 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Grass fed cows are great for the environment, their manure renews the soil and they provide nutritious food.

Solar panels are not so good, except at on a roof space, even then they are a poor, unreliable and inefficient means of producing energy.

Hardly any dairy cows are grass fed and there is a high correlation between many cancers with even fairly moderate meat consumption.

High meat consuming countries - especially salted meats - have poor diabetics and bowel cancer stats

 

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[Farmer Jim]

Grass fed cows are great for the environment, their manure renews the soil and they provide nutritious food.

Solar panels are not so good, except at on a roof space, even then they are a poor, unreliable and inefficient means of producing energy.

Cows are one of the biggest methane producers on the planet too, which is very bad for the global environment.

There`s also a hell of a lot of energy that goes into producing solar panels ( just like most things that are manufactured ) and they`re extremely difficult to dispose of in any way that`s environmentally friendly, which has potential to be a very big problem in the future.

Also companies like Peel Holdings ( who specialise in buying up banks of land ) are covering vast swathes of green areas and farmland with solar panels too.

Just like most things in the UK, we still manage to find a way to mess potentially good things up

 

[Captain Dart]

Hardly any dairy cows are grass fed and there is a high correlation between many cancers with even fairly moderate meat consumption.

High meat consuming countries - especially salted meats - have poor diabetics and bowel cancer stats

There have been some associations found with processed meat, but all processed food is bad for your health.
What there has never been is a randomised controlled trial of cancer rates of a large cohort over decades.
It's weak evidence and you're simply repeating the convenient arguments of the food industry that can make more money from crops.

If you look at these pages you'll find the high meat consuming countries of central Asia & Africa have lower incidences of cancer, the countries with high processed food consumption (mainly Europe & N America) have much higher rates.

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Anyway, you can make your own decisions & good luck.

 

[Briles]

My take on this is that we literally have no control over what nature does. There have been 5 mass extinction events prior to humans that cant be blamed on Range Rovers. We are likely in the middle of a 6th but no amount of switching lights off and going vegan will stop it. Nature does what it wants, but our fragile egos as humans like to think we are somehow in control. So carry on gluing yourself to bridges all you want, but I'm going to use the only 80-90 years I have if I'm lucky, to enjoy life as its the only one we get.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It seems to also have gone unnoticed that the Labour government has introduced road tax on electric cars including the £40k tax band - as well as starting to put BIK tax on.

Very green

Well as the biggest problem with traffic pollution is due to congestion taxing all types of car seems like a decent idea as it stands. Plus the mining and processing of the minerals needed for electric cars is extremely damaging for the environment. Producing the electricity is getting better but still not exactly environmentally friendly.

Obviously the main reason they're doing it is for the tax revenue though, and why not. Electric cars tend to be heavier and cause more damage to roads so why shouldn't they pay their fair share of the tax that supposedly is used to maintain roads.

 

[shmmeee]

Grass fed cows are great for the environment, their manure renews the soil and they provide nutritious food.

Solar panels are not so good, except at on a roof space, even then they are a poor, unreliable and inefficient means of producing energy.

How is it back in 2005?

 

[shmmeee]

Plus the mining and processing of the minerals needed for electric cars is extremely damaging for the environment. Producing the electricity is getting better but still not exactly environmentally friendly.

Yes. Why can’t we make transport that doesn’t require physical objects. Teleportation perhaps.

 

[Marty]

Yes. Why can’t we make transport that doesn’t require physical objects. Teleportation perhaps.

Giant towers with massive zip lines attached.

 

[Grendel]

Well as the biggest problem with traffic pollution is due to congestion taxing all types of car seems like a decent idea as it stands. Plus the mining and processing of the minerals needed for electric cars is extremely damaging for the environment. Producing the electricity is getting better but still not exactly environmentally friendly.

Obviously the main reason they're doing it is for the tax revenue though, and why not. Electric cars tend to be heavier and cause more damage to roads so why shouldn't they pay their fair share of the tax that supposedly is used to maintain roads.

Its a nonsense idea as they also say they are going to be offering trade in subsidies to get people in them

People are not going to give cars up

 

[Nick]

In terms of Electric Cars. Yeah some of them are quite nice but they would really need to make an amazing deal for me to get one.

Mine is probably worth about £3-£4k now, paid off and owes me nothing apart from diesel, tax, some repairs every year, MOT and insurance, no monthly payments etc.

What is there to make me want to go out and get a new electric car for probably about £400 a month before insurance (and tax) and then a charger fitting (Which is going to be a nightmare with my drive being a distance away from my house so I dont know if they will want to dig up for the cable).

Yeah it would be nice to charge at home for £4.50 at night to get 200 miles range or whatever, financially (and time wise) it's easier for me to just put £25 quid of fuel and have no monthly payment for it.

They would probably have to gift me one because I don't have to or need to get into debt for a car as things stand.

 

[Otis]

In terms of Electric Cars. Yeah some of them are quite nice but they would really need to make an amazing deal for me to get one.

Mine is probably worth about £3-£4k now, paid off and owes me nothing apart from diesel, tax and insurance, no monthly payments etc.

What is there to make me want to go out and get a new electric car for probably about £400 a month before insurance (and tax) and then a charger fitting (Which is going to be a nightmare with my drive being a distance away from my house so I dont know if they will want to dig up for the cable).

Yeah it would be nice to charge at home for £4.50 at night to get 200 miles range or whatever, financially (and time wise) it's easier for me to just put £25 quid of fuel and have no monthly payment for it.

They would probably have to gift me one because I don't have to or need to get into debt for a car as things stand.

Give it another 3-4 years and they will run off 6 AAA batteries.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Just like most things in the UK, we still manage to find a way to mess potentially good things up

It's because we as a country have given whole swathes of it to entities like Peel (Liverpool and Manchester especially)

 

[Nick]

Give it another 3-4 years and they will run off 6 AAA batteries.

They could run off fresh air but if it costs me £400+ a month for one when my car is perfectly fine and I spend £100 a month on fuel, then there's no reason for me to.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I think electric cars miss the point really. Overall mileage needs to reduce significantly, people use cars too often and for trips they should walk.

 

[Captain Dart]

So how much more power generation is needed to power electric cars if they comprised 50% of vehicles on the road? At the moment under 5% of vehicles in the UK are electric powered.

Then there is the huge environmental damage caused by mining thematerials for batteries, but no worries that is all in foregin lands.

 

[Sick Boy]

So how much more power generation is needed to power electric cars if they comprised 50% of vehicles on the road? At the moment under 5% of vehicles in the UK are electric powered.

Then there is the huge environmental damage caused by mining thematerials for batteries, but no worries that is all in foregin lands.
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Great, just what we need…more images from crank Americans.

 

[PVA]

Then there is the huge environmental damage caused by mining thematerials for batteries, but no worries that is all in foregin lands.
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Heres some lithium mining:

And some oil drilling:

 

[Sick Boy]

Heres some lithium mining:

And some oil drilling:

The original image is one of the most ridiculous FB/Twitter memes I’ve ever seen.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Its a nonsense idea as they also say they are going to be offering trade in subsidies to get people in them

People are not going to give cars up

That's the point I'm making.

They're trying to reduce car journeys overall but it's not going to happen as it's just not workable in a number of instances but if you're trying to reduce car numbers and congestion using taxation then you have to have that on all of them. It's like trying to cut down on junk food and meat consumption and just taxing McDonalds and Burger King while subsidising KFC because it's marginally better. Everyone's just going to use KFC instead but many of the problem still exist 9and probably creates some new ones.)

Hence why there is going to become greater parity between tax on electric and petrol/diesel.

 

[chiefdave]

If you want less cars on the road the answer is surely public transport. Read a stat that the UK has the worst served big cities, something like the most cities without a mass transit system.

One bus an hour into town isn't going to stop people driving. Being able to turn up and go without looking at a timetable will.

 

[Grendel]

If you want less cars on the road the answer is surely public transport. Read a stat that the UK has the worst served big cities, something like the most cities without a mass transit system.

One bus an hour into town isn't going to stop people driving. Being able to turn up and go without looking at a timetable will.

Unless it’s central London or some other major cities I’d never prefer public transport. Who in their right mind would?

 

[Nick]

If you want less cars on the road the answer is surely public transport. Read a stat that the UK has the worst served big cities, something like the most cities without a mass transit system.

One bus an hour into town isn't going to stop people driving. Being able to turn up and go without looking at a timetable will.

That assumes people work in town though? If I've got to get to town, switch bus and go back out again then there's no convenience.

An 8-12 minute drive now would take 2 buses and about an hour and twenty. Even if it got down to half an hour, why would I do that on a day like today when I can just get in my car with air con and not deal with other people?

How many people work in cov city centre nowadays other than retail, bars and severn Trent?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That assumes people work in town though? If I've got to get to town, switch bus and go back out again then there's no convenience.

An 8-12 minute drive now would take 2 buses and about an hour and twenty. Even if it got down to half an hour, why would I do that on a day like today when I can just get in my car with air con and not deal with other people?

If it were free of charge as well would that make any difference?

 

[Nick]

If it were free of charge as well would that make any difference?

Not really because firstly, it wouldn't be and secondly it would cost me probably about 30p in fuel.

 

[chiefdave]

That assumes people work in town though? If I've got to get to town, switch bus and go back out again then there's no convenience.

An 8-12 minute drive now would take 2 buses and about an hour and twenty. Even if it got down to half an hour, why would I do that on a day like today when I can just get in my car with air con and not deal with other people?

How many people work in cov city centre nowadays other than retail, bars and severn Trent?

City centre was just an example. The rest of what you say is proving my point. You're not going to take the bus now because it's a shit system, infrequent and takes forever to get you to your destination.

But cities with high quality, frequent, reliable and cheap public transport see huge modal shift. The data is there, it works.

 

[Nick]

City centre was just an example. The rest of what you say is proving my point. You're not going to take the bus now because it's a shit system, infrequent and takes forever to get you to your destination.

But cities with high quality, frequent, reliable and cheap public transport see huge modal shift. The data is there, it works.

But even if it was amazing. They are only really geared up for city centres which works if that's where everybody works

 

[Grendel]

City centre was just an example. The rest of what you say is proving my point. You're not going to take the bus now because it's a shit system, infrequent and takes forever to get you to your destination.

But cities with high quality, frequent, reliable and cheap public transport see huge modal shift. The data is there, it works.

Show the data

 

[Grendel]

It would take me 1.5 hours at least to get the CBS on public transport. 20 minutes in the car.

 

[Grendel]

If it were free of charge as well would that make any difference?

You can’t even drive a car. It’s stupid you even are discussing. Weren’t you moaning public transport was not getting you back to Leamington for midweek games?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You can’t even drive a car. It’s stupid you even are discussing. Weren’t you moaning public transport was not getting you back to Leamington for midweek games?

Polite response as always

 

[Grendel]

Polite response as always

It’s true. The fact you asked if it was free. Someone’s paying - and it literally costs pence to drive.

No one who drives will want to take public transport locally. Why would they?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

If you want less cars on the road the answer is surely public transport. Read a stat that the UK has the worst served big cities, something like the most cities without a mass transit system.

One bus an hour into town isn't going to stop people driving. Being able to turn up and go without looking at a timetable will.

The fact is that for a lot of people even at it's very very best public transport is not going to be good enough. It's not going t take you from A to B If you've got children or an elderly person public transport can be an absolute nightmare, and it's just impossible to do a 'big shop' via public transport.

Of course I want public transport to be good and used as much as possible, but I have to accept that that's not going to be good enough for a large chunk of people.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You can’t even drive a car. It’s stupid you even are discussing. Weren’t you moaning public transport was not getting you back to Leamington for midweek games?

You can't fly a plane but you were wading in on the air crash topic.

It's about travelling and everyone has to do that. And having the opinion of someone who can't drive and is therefore reliant on other forms of transport is a very important voice in that conversation.

 

[Grendel]

You can't fly a plane but you were wading in on the air crash topic.

It's about travelling and everyone has to do that. And having the opinion of someone who can't drive and is therefore reliant on other forms of transport is a very important voice in that conversation.

It really isn’t as most people drive and can understand why a car is essential in life. Trying to tell people to take public transport when that’s all they can do is totally different

When the council built that dumbass island at Fletchamstead highway Colleen Fletcher said people needed to drive properly. She couldn’t drive.

No one is giving a car up and take public transport - it’s a view that can only come from someone who can’t drive a car

Oh and I’ve driven all through Europe and used the tunnel - I fly continental and guess what, I hire a car.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It really isn’t as most people drive and can understand why a car is essential in life. Trying to tell people to take public transport when that’s all they can do is totally different

When the council built that dumbass island at Fletchamstead highway Colleen Fletcher said people needed to drive properly. She couldn’t drive.

No one is giving a car up and take public transport - it’s a view that can only come from someone who can’t drive a car

But if it's essential to life how do people without a car function?

London is the biggest and richest city in the country yet has the largest proportion of non-drivers.