Climate change and activists (3 Viewers)

[Grendel]

But if it's essential to life how do people without a car function?

London is the biggest and richest city in the country yet has the largest proportion of non-drivers.

London is a massive metropolis - I said I’d take a train to London - I ain’t taking it to Newton abbot

 

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[Nick]

But if it's essential to life how do people without a car function?

London is the biggest and richest city in the country yet has the largest proportion of non-drivers.

Like I said, it would require the vast majority of the people in the city to work in the city centre which they don't. If I got a job smack bang in the city centre then I'd probably look at public transport and compare.

That's when it would be comparable or worthwhile.

If the argument is public transport and give up cars then it needs to be worthwhile else people won't.

It's the same as the bike lanes.

 

[Grendel]

Like I said, it would require the vast majority of the people in the city to work in the city centre which they don't.

That's when it would be comparable or worthwhile.

If the argument is public transport and give up cars then it needs to be worthwhile else people won't.

It's the same as the bike lanes.

Another example of someone who surely never leaves their house

 

[wingy]

The fact is that for a lot of people even at it's very very best public transport is not going to be good enough. It's not going t take you from A to B If you've got children or an elderly person public transport can be an absolute nightmare, and it's just impossible to do a 'big shop' via public transport.

Of course I want public transport to be good and used as much as possible, but I have to accept that that's not going to be good enough for a large chunk of people.

Civic mindedness, save on parking charges,buy the bus under the present system, anyway I did use it for a while but daughter had an allergic reaction to possibly a deodorant and we are back to driving it,me personally I would still take the bus, God knows what it will be like this season trying to get out of parking.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s true. The fact you asked if it was free. Someone’s paying - and it literally costs pence to drive.

No one who drives will want to take public transport locally. Why would they?

Better shut down this forum then as none of us are professional footballers. You’ve also assumed that I don’t drive because I can’t, as opposed to it being a choice. It also doesn’t literally cost pence to buy a car, pay for insurance, road tax, fuel etc. Anyway.

What’s clear is that cars need to shift from petrol and diesel as the fuel, given that a) it’s finite and b) having hundreds of millions of cars a day burning it will have consequences. Switching cars to hydrogen and generally making public transport more appealing would work to substantially reduce the impact of travel.

Driving did used to be essential in life, it no longer is. Does make things more convenient, no argument there.

 

[Nick]

Better shut down this forum then as none of us are professional footballers. You’ve also assumed that I don’t drive because I can’t, as opposed to it being a choice. It also doesn’t literally cost pence to buy a car, pay for insurance, road tax, fuel etc. Anyway.

What’s clear is that cars need to shift from petrol and diesel as the fuel, given that a) it’s finite and b) having hundreds of millions of cars a day burning it will have consequences. Switching cars to hydrogen and generally making public transport more appealing would work to substantially reduce the impact of travel.

Driving did used to be essential in life, it no longer is. Does make things more convenient, no argument there.

It costs pence for that journey. I'd still need a car even if I was getting the bus to and from work so I'd need to pay for the rest anyway. The pence I said was the fuel cost for that journey.

Regardless of what fuel goes in the car, it would need to be beneficial to people to want to spend a fortune on a fancy fuel car.

If somebody says here's a very very very cheap electric car then I might think about it.i like the look of the new Renault 5's but I'm not going to spend 30k on one.

Driving is essential for everybody I know. Yes they wouldn't die if they didn't drive but they would probably lose jobs or have a couple of hours travel every day they don't have now.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It costs pence for that journey. I'd still need a car even if I was getting the bus to and from work so I'd need to pay for the rest anyway. The pence I said was the fuel cost for that journey.

Regardless of what fuel goes in the car, it would need to be beneficial to people to want to spend a fortune on a fancy fuel car.

If somebody says here's a very very very cheap electric car then I might think about it.i like the look of the new Renault 5's but I'm not going to spend 30k on one.

Driving is essential for everybody I know. Yes they wouldn't die if they didn't drive but they would probably lose jobs or have a couple of hours travel every day they don't have now.

Which is why I said it needs to be made easier to switch to objectively better for the environment fuels or modes of transport.

Eventually we are going to run out of crude oil and if we haven’t made more of an effort with hydrogen, EVs or both then we’ll have a much bigger problem.

 

[Nick]

Which is why I said it needs to be made easier to switch to objectively better for the environment fuels or modes of transport.

Eventually we are going to run out of crude oil and if we haven’t made more of an effort with hydrogen, EVs or both then we’ll have a much bigger problem.

A free bus isn't going to do it.

If they want me to have an electric car then it comes down to money to purchase one.

It would be good to see the stats of how many people buy an electric car as opposed to those that are company cars, motability or some sort of scheme etc.

Edit, last year 82% of new EVs were to companies.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

A free bus isn't going to do it.

If they want me to have an electric car then it comes down to money to purchase one.

It would be good to see the stats of how many people buy an electric car as opposed to those that are company cars, motability or some sort of scheme etc.

Not for you but for some it might. You can’t get away from the fact that petrol won’t last forever, we need to put more effort into making alternatives viable.

 

[Nick]

Not for you but for some it might. You can’t get away from the fact that petrol won’t last forever, we need to put more effort into making alternatives viable.

I can safely say that nobody I know is going to give up their car for a free bus pass.

Like I said, it comes down to the cost. The vast majority will be via a company where people are actually saving money by having one.

Asking Dave to swap his paid off, 10 year old focus for a 30k ev at 450 a month isn't going to happen.

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s true. The fact you asked if it was free. Someone’s paying - and it literally costs pence to drive.

No one who drives will want to take public transport locally. Why would they?

Boozing.

 

[rob9872]

If you live in the city and work in the city then public transport is fine and probably as or maybe even more convenient as cars, but until a bus comes down the street I live in to collect me from my door at a time of my choosing and takes me to my exact end location, not 50m or 100m away and the same for my return journey, then my car wins. It’s lazy, it's expensive, it's bad for the environment, it adds more risk, higher traffic but still the only choice and the only thing that comes close is an uber.