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  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
  • Start date Jul 20, 2022
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Grendel

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  • Today at 12:46 PM
  • #246
Captain Dart said:
Grass fed cows are great for the environment, their manure renews the soil and they provide nutritious food.

Solar panels are not so good, except at on a roof space, even then they are a poor, unreliable and inefficient means of producing energy.
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Hardly any dairy cows are grass fed and there is a high correlation between many cancers with even fairly moderate meat consumption.

High meat consuming countries - especially salted meats - have poor diabetics and bowel cancer stats
 

Farmer Jim

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  • Today at 12:57 PM
  • #247
Captain Dart said:
Grass fed cows are great for the environment, their manure renews the soil and they provide nutritious food.

Solar panels are not so good, except at on a roof space, even then they are a poor, unreliable and inefficient means of producing energy.
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Cows are one of the biggest methane producers on the planet too, which is very bad for the global environment.

There`s also a hell of a lot of energy that goes into producing solar panels ( just like most things that are manufactured ) and they`re extremely difficult to dispose of in any way that`s environmentally friendly, which has potential to be a very big problem in the future.

Also companies like Peel Holdings ( who specialise in buying up banks of land ) are covering vast swathes of green areas and farmland with solar panels too.

Just like most things in the UK, we still manage to find a way to mess potentially good things up
 

Captain Dart

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  • Today at 1:02 PM
  • #248
Grendel said:
Hardly any dairy cows are grass fed and there is a high correlation between many cancers with even fairly moderate meat consumption.

High meat consuming countries - especially salted meats - have poor diabetics and bowel cancer stats
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There have been some associations found with processed meat, but all processed food is bad for your health.
What there has never been is a randomised controlled trial of cancer rates of a large cohort over decades.
It's weak evidence and you're simply repeating the convenient arguments of the food industry that can make more money from crops.

If you look at these pages you'll find the high meat consuming countries of central Asia & Africa have lower incidences of cancer, the countries with high processed food consumption (mainly Europe & N America) have much higher rates.

canscreen5

The Cancer Screening in Five Continents (CanScreen5) project of the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) aims to collect information on the characteristics and performance of cancer screening programmes across the globe in a harmonized manner and to disseminate the information for...
canscreen5.iarc.fr


Anyway, you can make your own decisions & good luck.
 
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Briles

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  • Today at 1:28 PM
  • #249
My take on this is that we literally have no control over what nature does. There have been 5 mass extinction events prior to humans that cant be blamed on Range Rovers. We are likely in the middle of a 6th but no amount of switching lights off and going vegan will stop it. Nature does what it wants, but our fragile egos as humans like to think we are somehow in control. So carry on gluing yourself to bridges all you want, but I'm going to use the only 80-90 years I have if I'm lucky, to enjoy life as its the only one we get.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Today at 3:15 PM
  • #250
Grendel said:
It seems to also have gone unnoticed that the Labour government has introduced road tax on electric cars including the £40k tax band - as well as starting to put BIK tax on.

Very green
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Well as the biggest problem with traffic pollution is due to congestion taxing all types of car seems like a decent idea as it stands. Plus the mining and processing of the minerals needed for electric cars is extremely damaging for the environment. Producing the electricity is getting better but still not exactly environmentally friendly.

Obviously the main reason they're doing it is for the tax revenue though, and why not. Electric cars tend to be heavier and cause more damage to roads so why shouldn't they pay their fair share of the tax that supposedly is used to maintain roads.
 

shmmeee

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  • Today at 3:47 PM
  • #251
Captain Dart said:
Grass fed cows are great for the environment, their manure renews the soil and they provide nutritious food.

Solar panels are not so good, except at on a roof space, even then they are a poor, unreliable and inefficient means of producing energy.
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How is it back in 2005?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Today at 3:48 PM
  • #252
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Plus the mining and processing of the minerals needed for electric cars is extremely damaging for the environment. Producing the electricity is getting better but still not exactly environmentally friendly.
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Yes. Why can’t we make transport that doesn’t require physical objects. Teleportation perhaps.
 

Marty

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  • Today at 3:51 PM
  • #253
shmmeee said:
Yes. Why can’t we make transport that doesn’t require physical objects. Teleportation perhaps.
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Giant towers with massive zip lines attached.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 4:18 PM
  • #254
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Well as the biggest problem with traffic pollution is due to congestion taxing all types of car seems like a decent idea as it stands. Plus the mining and processing of the minerals needed for electric cars is extremely damaging for the environment. Producing the electricity is getting better but still not exactly environmentally friendly.

Obviously the main reason they're doing it is for the tax revenue though, and why not. Electric cars tend to be heavier and cause more damage to roads so why shouldn't they pay their fair share of the tax that supposedly is used to maintain roads.
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Its a nonsense idea as they also say they are going to be offering trade in subsidies to get people in them

People are not going to give cars up
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Today at 4:26 PM
  • #255
In terms of Electric Cars. Yeah some of them are quite nice but they would really need to make an amazing deal for me to get one.

Mine is probably worth about £3-£4k now, paid off and owes me nothing apart from diesel, tax, some repairs every year, MOT and insurance, no monthly payments etc.

What is there to make me want to go out and get a new electric car for probably about £400 a month before insurance (and tax) and then a charger fitting (Which is going to be a nightmare with my drive being a distance away from my house so I dont know if they will want to dig up for the cable).

Yeah it would be nice to charge at home for £4.50 at night to get 200 miles range or whatever, financially (and time wise) it's easier for me to just put £25 quid of fuel and have no monthly payment for it.

They would probably have to gift me one because I don't have to or need to get into debt for a car as things stand.
 

Otis

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  • Today at 4:27 PM
  • #256
Nick said:
In terms of Electric Cars. Yeah some of them are quite nice but they would really need to make an amazing deal for me to get one.

Mine is probably worth about £3-£4k now, paid off and owes me nothing apart from diesel, tax and insurance, no monthly payments etc.

What is there to make me want to go out and get a new electric car for probably about £400 a month before insurance (and tax) and then a charger fitting (Which is going to be a nightmare with my drive being a distance away from my house so I dont know if they will want to dig up for the cable).

Yeah it would be nice to charge at home for £4.50 at night to get 200 miles range or whatever, financially (and time wise) it's easier for me to just put £25 quid of fuel and have no monthly payment for it.

They would probably have to gift me one because I don't have to or need to get into debt for a car as things stand.
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Give it another 3-4 years and they will run off 6 AAA batteries.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Today at 4:28 PM
  • #257
Farmer Jim said:
Just like most things in the UK, we still manage to find a way to mess potentially good things up
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It's because we as a country have given whole swathes of it to entities like Peel (Liverpool and Manchester especially)
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Today at 4:28 PM
  • #258
Otis said:
Give it another 3-4 years and they will run off 6 AAA batteries.
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They could run off fresh air but if it costs me £400+ a month for one when my car is perfectly fine and I spend £100 a month on fuel, then there's no reason for me to.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 4:30 PM
  • #259
I think electric cars miss the point really. Overall mileage needs to reduce significantly, people use cars too often and for trips they should walk.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Today at 5:22 PM
  • #260
So how much more power generation is needed to power electric cars if they comprised 50% of vehicles on the road? At the moment under 5% of vehicles in the UK are electric powered.

Then there is the huge environmental damage caused by mining thematerials for batteries, but no worries that is all in foregin lands.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Today at 5:58 PM
  • #261
Captain Dart said:
So how much more power generation is needed to power electric cars if they comprised 50% of vehicles on the road? At the moment under 5% of vehicles in the UK are electric powered.

Then there is the huge environmental damage caused by mining thematerials for batteries, but no worries that is all in foregin lands.
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Great, just what we need…more images from crank Americans.
 
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PVA

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  • Today at 6:06 PM
  • #262
Captain Dart said:
Then there is the huge environmental damage caused by mining thematerials for batteries, but no worries that is all in foregin lands.
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Heres some lithium mining:






And some oil drilling:

 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Today at 6:17 PM
  • #263
PVA said:
Heres some lithium mining:






And some oil drilling:

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The original image is one of the most ridiculous FB/Twitter memes I’ve ever seen.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 6:23 PM
  • #264
Grendel said:
Its a nonsense idea as they also say they are going to be offering trade in subsidies to get people in them

People are not going to give cars up
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That's the point I'm making.

They're trying to reduce car journeys overall but it's not going to happen as it's just not workable in a number of instances but if you're trying to reduce car numbers and congestion using taxation then you have to have that on all of them. It's like trying to cut down on junk food and meat consumption and just taxing McDonalds and Burger King while subsidising KFC because it's marginally better. Everyone's just going to use KFC instead but many of the problem still exist 9and probably creates some new ones.)

Hence why there is going to become greater parity between tax on electric and petrol/diesel.
 
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