Charlie Kirk Shot (4 Viewers)

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Not ‘likely true’, it is true.

Some of the reactions on both sides is pretty bad. The amount of people ‘outed’ for celebrating a death, particularly the college kid chanting ‘we got Charlie in the neck’ over a megaphone is disgusting.

Most people on the right have called for calm, quoting Kirk’s maxim of: ‘when people stop talking, bad things happen’. That’s the majority I’ve seen.

There people on the Right such as Fuentes and Candace Owens who are bad actors. The former is trying to win over and radicalise Kirk’s audience and Owens has gone down this ugly rabbit hole ‘it’s Israel’s fault’. Those people, I’m not worried about because they’re fringe actors and most reasonable people see through their BS. What is concerning is people like Tim Pool and Matt Walsh saying the following





^ this one is particularly concerning - anyone who frames ‘right v left’ as ‘good v evil’ is peddling a false dichotomy. There a good and people across the political spectrum and ‘uniting’ with everyone on the ‘right’ is a terrible idea (and vice versa), for example.

I mean you can't say that definitively but yes it does certainly appear that way.

The mocking of Charlie Kirk's death is obviously abhorrent, but if I'm honest it's relatively minor in comparison to the direct incitement of violence towards the left from individuals in response to the shooting if I'm totally honest, but that's just my personal opinion based on what I've read, seen and heard.

From posts on socials to comments from political speakers or politicians themselves, I do feel this incident has given them license to generate a witch hunt which is snowballing at pace, with many pushing the rhetoric of anything and everything from global awakenings to violent retaliation.

You only have to look at Musk's X page and the comments to his posts to see the hysteria that has been whipped up - with my personal recent favourite of his being: "the left is the party of murder."

Trump himself also appears to be using Kirk's death as a blunt instrument to basically whack the left with, and not just the radical far-left for that matter, basically anyone that opposes him which is beyond concerning to be honest. https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/17/politics/trump-rico-liberal-groups

 

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

‘Most people on the right have called for calm’ because one of their own has been killed. I never, ever see it from them when it’s one of their own conducting the violence.

Let’s be honest, they’re guilty of it far more often.

How is this verified?

A YouGov poll in America found most respondents believe Kirk’s killer was a Republican which isn’t true. The reason people think this is because you have MSNBC, CNN and other networks that are either a) obfuscating or b) wilfully misleading people on the killer’s motives. Not to point score, but yourself, Kenilworth and I discussed ‘potential’ motives and it’s fair to say the ‘trans activist’ narrative is the correct version of events based on current information.

Likewise, the church shooter in Minneapolis was labelled ‘far right’ when again, they were transactivist who had anti-Semitic slogans on the rifle.

Therefore, based on these 2 examples, I’m v sceptical of how some of these shootings are reported.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

‘Most people on the right have called for calm’ because one of their own has been killed. I never, ever see it from them when it’s one of their own conducting the violence.

Let’s be honest, they’re guilty of it far more often.

And given the existing statistics which heavily point to which 'side' has committed more extremist related killings, it's not really all that difficult to conclude why incitement of retaliatory violence from the right against the left is a pretty huge concern.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

How is this verified?

A YouGov poll in America found most respondents believe Kirk’s killer was a Republican which isn’t true. The reason people think this is because you have MSNBC, CNN and other networks that are either a) obfuscating or b) wilfully misleading people on the killer’s motives. Not to point score, but yourself, Kenilworth and I discussed ‘potential’ motives and it’s fair to say the ‘trans activist’ narrative is the correct version of events based on current information.

Likewise, the church shooter in Minneapolis was labelled ‘far right’ when again, they were transactivist who had anti-Semitic slogans on the rifle.

Therefore, based on these 2 examples, I’m v sceptical of how some of these shootings are reported.

You can't point score against me on something that I didn't refute.

I even said at the time that while it certainly appeared that his motive was likely trans activist related, Robinson wasn't cooperating so the FBI were piecing together what fragmented information they had available from external sources / the people around him.

I was more taking issue with you inferring the engravings on the bullet casings were basically definitive proof of said motive when even experts were having trouble in coming to a concrete conclusion of their meaning as he was apparently steeped in meme and online gaming culture.

There were so many mights and mays out in the media over those 2-3 days that taking anything at face value would've been pointless.

 

[duffer]

Are you ok? I was clearly referring to the Kirk shooter and questioned why Pete would even compare the 2 cases.

In truth I thought you were talking about the school shooter here, so my mistake. On the "are you OK" question though, I assume that you're not OK with letting a 14-year-old have unsupervised access to a firearm? That was what I was driving at.

 

[duffer]

Just to briefly come back to the claim that political violence is a radical left wing issue, there's a factual report that offers this:

"Extremist-related killings in recent years have primarily been committed by far-right extremists. Mass shootings caused a substantial portion of those deaths. The white supremacist mass shooter who attacked Latinos at a Walmart in El Paso in 2019, killing 23 people, was responsible by himself for almost half of the 51 extremist-related deaths that year. The lower numbers since then can substantially be attributed to fewer far-right mass killing events (with numerous planned incidents prevented by law enforcement) and fewer deaths at some that did occur. One must travel back to the year 2000, which saw nine killings committed by far-right extremists, to find a lower number of deaths from right-wing extremists than the 13 in 2024."

What is encouraging is that most people here stand against violence of any kind.

What's discouraging is that the leader of the free world and the richest man on the planet seem to believe that it's OK until it's violence against someone they like, and then it's a left wing conspiracy.

https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2024

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Just to briefly come back to the claim that political violence is a radical left wing issue, there's a factual report that offers this:

"Extremist-related killings in recent years have primarily been committed by far-right extremists. Mass shootings caused a substantial portion of those deaths. The white supremacist mass shooter who attacked Latinos at a Walmart in El Paso in 2019, killing 23 people, was responsible by himself for almost half of the 51 extremist-related deaths that year. The lower numbers since then can substantially be attributed to fewer far-right mass killing events (with numerous planned incidents prevented by law enforcement) and fewer deaths at some that did occur. One must travel back to the year 2000, which saw nine killings committed by far-right extremists, to find a lower number of deaths from right-wing extremists than the 13 in 2024."

What is encouraging is that most people here stand against violence of any kind.

What's discouraging is that the leader of the free world and the richest man on the planet seem to believe that it's OK until it's violence against someone they like, and then it's a left wing conspiracy.

https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2024

I don't think anyone is suggesting its limited to the left wing

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I don't think anyone is suggesting its limited to the left wing

Trump and musk are

 

[duffer]

I don't think anyone is suggesting its limited to the left wing

That is literally what Trump is saying...

Trump administration says it will target far left groups for Kirk's assassination. Prosecutors made no such link.

Kirk’s alleged assassin said he targeted the conservative activist because he “spreads too much hate” and “I had enough of his hatred,” new court documents show.

www.nbcnews.com

Elon Musk, "the left is the party of murder".

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5502535-elon-musk-charlie-kirk-death/

 

[Ccfcisparks]

That is literally what Trump is saying...

Trump administration says it will target far left groups for Kirk's assassination. Prosecutors made no such link.

Kirk’s alleged assassin said he targeted the conservative activist because he “spreads too much hate” and “I had enough of his hatred,” new court documents show.

www.nbcnews.com

Elon Musk, "the left is the party of murder".

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5502535-elon-musk-charlie-kirk-death/

I should have said "anyone with sense"

but at least it supports my theory its top v bottom not left v right

 

[Briles]

"Left, left, left right left" This isn't a fucking March. Ok, so the shooter was fucking his room mate who was Trans. We have two ways of looking at it. 1) He was so far right he went full circle and fucked a bloke/himself or 2) Was so left wing he felt that shooting someone would give him bit of breathing space.

Either way he was a grade A cock.

 

[fatso]

I'll just leave this excellent speech from JD here

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s mad that people in the UK actually describe The Democrats as left-wing.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

It’s mad that people in the UK actually describe The Democrats as left-wing.

Bernie is more in line with our left wing

 

[Sick Boy]

Bernie is more in line with our left wing

And even then what he says is hardly radical!

 

[Ccfcisparks]

And even then what he says is hardly radical!

Exactly. Free medical care for all I can't imagine many peoplearguing against.

 

[Grendel]

Exactly. Free medical care for all I can't imagine many peoplearguing against.

Many would as the US is used to a low personal tax economy

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Many would as the US is used to a low personal tax economy

I think most that would benefit from free health care would be in favour of it.

 

[Grendel]

I think most that would benefit from free health care would be in favour of it.

Its not free though is it? The US structure is a world away from ours,

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Its not free though is it? The US structure is a world away from ours,

More in line with ours then. You know what I am suggesting.

 

[duffer]

"Left, left, left right left" This isn't a fucking March. Ok, so the shooter was fucking his room mate who was Trans. We have two ways of looking at it. 1) He was so far right he went full circle and fucked a bloke/himself or 2) Was so left wing he felt that shooting someone would give him bit of breathing space.

Either way he was a grade A cock.

I think you could make a fair argument for saying he wasn't really political at all.

It looks like, at first glance anyway, he had a strong issue with what Kirk was saying about a number of things, and decided that the only solution was to shoot him. There's no indication he was advocating revolution (the usual far left excuse for violence) or doing it as part of some grander plan; there's no manifesto, he just wanted to kill Kirk, an individual he hated.

It's a dreadful thing to do, even if you share my belief that Kirk was a pretty hateful individual. But it certainly doesn't look like a far left conspiracy, and anyone with any decency would condemn _all_ acts of political violence rather than trying to use it as an excuse to demonise their perceived opponents.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Its not free though is it? The US structure is a world away from ours,

The Sanders proposal is simply to take the existing Medicare program (for 65+) and make everyone eligible for it. It’s not that radical a step to take.

 

[Otis]

I'll just leave this excellent speech from JD here

Let me guess. It's all the fault of the left. They are the threat. He didn't mention right wing violence or extremism and they need to root out the evil that is the radical left in the press and media etc.

Am I close?

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

It’s mad that people in the UK actually describe The Democrats as left-wing.

I mean if you're going to make a direct comparison between UK-US then Democrats very much sit on the right.

But it's like comparing apples with bacon.

 

[duffer]

Let me guess. It's all the fault of the left. They are the threat. He didn't mention right wing violence or extremism and they need to root out the evil that is the radical left in the press and media etc.

Am I close?

Thank you, mate, for saving me from having to listen to it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Come on guys, let’s dial down the rhetoric and play nice.

 

[Otis]

Come on guys, let’s dial down the rhetoric and play nice.

He truly is completely deranged isn't he.