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Of course, so buying someone a murder weapon as a gift and going ‘now son, only kill animals with this, promise?’ seems a bit naive.
Of course, so buying someone a murder weapon as a gift and going ‘now son, only kill animals with this, promise?’ seems a bit naive.Worse obviously, i would think that goes without saying.
There's a 3 parter from John Oliver back when he was on the Daily Show that's worth a watch on YouTube. Discusses how Australia held pretty much the same view but gun regulations were still changed to stop mass shootings.You will never take guns from the hands of the American public.
Think they did a gun amnestyThere's a 3 parter from John Oliver back when he was on the Daily Show that's worth a watch on YouTube. Discusses how Australia held pretty much the same view but gun regulations were still changed to stop mass shootings.
Why? Most Americans own guns and most parents won't assume their offspring are potential murderers. Blame American society if you want but its hardly on the father is it, its just what Americans do.Of course, so buying someone a murder weapon as a gift and going ‘now son, only kill animals with this, promise?’ seems a bit naive.
I'm sure the father feels the same at the moment.Why? Most Americans own guns and most parents won't assume their offspring are potential murderers. Blame American society if you want but its hardly on the father is it, its just what Americans do.
Guns are for killing people. Don’t act shocked when they’re used for that purposeWhy? Most Americans own guns and most parents won't assume their offspring are potential murderers. Blame American society if you want but its hardly on the father is it, its just what Americans do.
Feeling guilt isn't the same as blame. I'd feel guilt if my son did any such thing too as you'd wonder what you could have done differently.I'm sure the father feels the same at the moment.
He will be completely beside himself and second guessing the decision he made to buy it for him
I think its a strange thing to say to be honest. The murderer is 22 years old, an adult. Most Americans own guns and despite what we think of them, most of them do so without murdering people.Guns are for killing people. Don’t act shocked when they’re used for that purpose
The polls show enormous support for universal background checks amongst other things. Not sure which polls you’re looking at?
Most of them also want stricter gun control. I also think slightly more don't own a gun than those that do.I think its a strange thing to say to be honest. The murderer is 22 years old, an adult. Most Americans own guns and despite what we think of them, most of them do so without murdering people.
I did wonder what the split was. Be interested to knowMost of them also want stricter gun control. I also think slightly more don't own a gun than those that do.
Gosh I’m feeling attacked this morning and that’s on meIt looks like the narrative has gone from "There's nothing to say he lived with his trans partner or had leftist views" now that has come out he had to "It's his dad's fault for giving him the gun".
I do find it mental though that in any country in the world you can pack an assault rifle for your day out. Just nipping to Tesco with a huge fuck off rifle on my back.
I did wonder what the split was. Be interested to know
Is that genuine? It’s tiny isn’t it?What is the solution to this trans epidemic. It is concerning.
I'm not sure. Some pepole have big ones some have tiny.Is that genuine? It’s tiny isn’t it?
But under the current law you have a 22 year old man who legally owned a firearm. Shooting someone in the neck in public was the very illegal bit.Most of them also want stricter gun control. I also think slightly more don't own a gun than those that do.
Compare gun death rates with countries that don’t let their citizens own weapons stashes then get back to me.I think it’s a strange thing to say to be honest. The murderer is 22 years old, an adult. Most Americans own guns and despite what we think of them, most of them do so without murdering people.
I don't know what your point is. I said i wouldn't want us to be like the States? Not sure why you can't accept its a different country with different laws and a different culture though.Compare gun death rates with countries that don’t let their citizens own weapons stashes then get back to me.
Not really, they were holding a placard for a terrorist group and the police were following the law. The people holding them knew what would happen but they decided to break the law.
If you think Reform are a protest movement I think your not reading the room. They are certainly a political party and look like they will assemble the people needed as they go along. Can’t see them being stopped to be honest.
Why? It's a country where you can legally own firearms so many do, its within the law. His dad i'm sure taught him how to shoot targets or animals, why would he be to blame for him shooting a person?
Are you ok? I was clearly referring to the Kirk shooter and questioned why Pete would even compare the 2 cases.Would it be something to do with the fact that an adult was reckless enough to allow a 14-year-old boy access to a high powered assault rifle without supervision? Maybe even in the U.S. that's not considered particularly wise, or indeed, legal.
Well it started off with 'why would he feel guilty, he got the gun legally'. Just because something is legal doesn't make it a good idea.I don't know what your point is. I said i wouldn't want us to be like the States? Not sure why you can't accept its a different country with different laws and a different culture though.
Blame my friend, not an internal feeling of guilt which would be normal for any parent. Why are we trying to absolve an adult male of blame for his own actions?Well it started off with 'why would he feel guilty, he got the gun legally'. Just because something is legal doesn't make it a good idea.
Why? Most Americans own guns and most parents won't assume their offspring are potential murderers. Blame American society if you want but its hardly on the father is it, its just what Americans do.
The school shooting that's being overlooked by Kirk's killing was in the same county as the famous Columbine shooting. Seems he was being encouraged to be a 'hero' on forums devoted to school shootings. People looking for fame and notoriety even if it means being a mass murderer.Yeah it's not 'on the father'. Tyler Robinson is a fully grown adult.
But this does highlight the lack of accountability from certain sections of American society. Moving away from the Kirk shooting and focusing on school shootings. The vast majority of families never think that their child could ever be capable of such evil until they get a knock on the door from the county sheriff, state police, FBI or whoever.
The average age of a school shooter is 16, with the overwhelming majority being male, and research indicates (in regards to have the've actually procured the guns) that a significant proportion will have been stolen from family/friends.
The amount of access parents seemingly give to their children, often at a really early age, clearly contributes to the problem. Equally, as does where they leave guns in the house.
I'd have to double check this when i get time but I'm fairly sure only around half of US states have some form of child access laws with regards to guns in the home.
Yet the FBi did a report probably around 7/8 years ago now highlighting that in multiple cases, minors who carried out school shootings obtained the weapon through unsecured or negligently stored guns.
Mad really how this isn't being looked at.
Mad really how this isn't being looked at.
A God given right to kill people from a God who says thou shalt not kill.as long as you have folks talking about Amendment no. II as a 'God given right' then it's pissing in the wind to even try and achieve some meaningful reform.
as long as you have folks talking about Amendment no. II as a 'God given right' then it's pissing in the wind to even try and achieve some meaningful reform.
The school shooting that's being overlooked by Kirk's killing was in the same county as the famous Columbine shooting. Seems he was being encouraged to be a 'hero' on forums devoted to school shootings. People looking for fame and notoriety even if it means being a mass murderer.
Not ‘likely true’, it is true.Likely true. Doesn't help that this is the second high-profile trans-related act of gun violence within the space of around 2-3 weeks - a male transitioning to female killed two children outside a church at a Catholic school late last month.
The rhetoric I'm seeing from the right is pretty alarming since reports regarding motive have been confirmed though. It's borderline calling for a crusade / Kingdom of Heaven type stuff.
Although if you want to talk about deflection there's so much talk about left vs right currently when the bigger issue at play is how there's actually very little being said publicly about the need to tighten gun control.
Its Top vs Bottom not Left vs RightNot ‘likely true’, it is true.
Some of the reactions on both sides is pretty bad. The amount of people ‘outed’ for celebrating a death, particularly the college kid chanting ‘we got Charlie in the neck’ over a megaphone is disgusting.
Most people on the right have called for calm, quoting Kirk’s maxim of: ‘when people stop talking, bad things happen’. That’s the majority I’ve seen.
There people on the Right such as Fuentes and Candace Owens who are bad actors. The former is trying to win over and radicalise Kirk’s audience and Owens has gone down this ugly rabbit hole ‘it’s Israel’s fault’. Those people, I’m not worried about because they’re fringe actors and most reasonable people see through their BS. What is concerning is people like Tim Pool and Matt Walsh saying the following
^ this one is particularly concerning - anyone who frames ‘right v left’ as ‘good v evil’ is peddling a false dichotomy. There a good and people across the political spectrum and ‘uniting’ with everyone on the ‘right’ is a terrible idea (and vice versa), for example.
‘Most people on the right have called for calm’ because one of their own has been killed. I never, ever see it from them when it’s one of their own conducting the violence.Not ‘likely true’, it is true.
Some of the reactions on both sides is pretty bad. The amount of people ‘outed’ for celebrating a death, particularly the college kid chanting ‘we got Charlie in the neck’ over a megaphone is disgusting.
Most people on the right have called for calm, quoting Kirk’s maxim of: ‘when people stop talking, bad things happen’. That’s the majority I’ve seen.
There people on the Right such as Fuentes and Candace Owens who are bad actors. The former is trying to win over and radicalise Kirk’s audience and Owens has gone down this ugly rabbit hole ‘it’s Israel’s fault’. Those people, I’m not worried about because they’re fringe actors and most reasonable people see through their BS. What is concerning is people like Tim Pool and Matt Walsh saying the following
^ this one is particularly concerning - anyone who frames ‘right v left’ as ‘good v evil’ is peddling a false dichotomy. There a good and people across the political spectrum and ‘uniting’ with everyone on the ‘right’ is a terrible idea (and vice versa), for example.
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