Hey I don’t make the laws but lookWhy? It's a country where you can legally own firearms so many do, its within the law. His dad i'm sure taught him how to shoot targets or animals, why would he be to blame for him shooting a person?
AnotherHey I don’t make the laws but look
Colin Gray, father of US school shooting suspect, charged with murder - BBC News
Colin Gray is accused of knowingly allowing his son access to a gun used to kill two teachers and two students in Georgia.www.bbc.com
AnotherAnother
Jennifer Crumbley: Michigan gunman's mother found guilty of manslaughter - BBC News
Jennifer Crumbley is the first US parent ever convicted of manslaughter over a mass shooting by their child.www.bbc.co.uk
TBF most were saying "let's wait and see what their motives are."Turns out the murderer was indeed a radical transactivist. All the people peddling the implausible idea he was a far right ‘gropher’ have been proved wrong.
SameI know it's different over there, but if I bought my daughter a gun and then she killed someone, I would feel incredibly guilty and feel it was my fault.
I gave her the gun and she killed someone with the gun I gave her.
Natural thought process I would have thought.
Be different if he bought him a gun and it was kept on a range and the lad stole it or something
Tyler Robinson appeared in front of a judge today. Investigators confirmed the following points:
1. Casing engraving meant the obvious rather than sarcastic references/insults used by the ‘gopher’ crowd. Specifically, ‘notices bulge uwu’ was a reference to being attracted to pre-transition trans woman rather as opposed to the theory that it was an insult used by the ‘far right’ online.
2. The Utah AG on record saying he’s become ‘more political, leaning left and more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented’
3. Said his dad was ‘pretty hardcore MAGA’ in texts to his partner post-killing as well as saying:
4. ‘I had enough of Kirk’s hatred… some hate can’t be negotiated out’
This is following reports that Robinson’s partner was cooperating with the authorities.
Frankly, as soon as the reports were leaked that the bullets had ‘anti-fascist and pro-trans’ carvings in them… it was obvious the killer wasn’t far-right. The cynics could reasonably argue it was ‘disinformation’ campaign to deflect violence from the political left/trans activists.
Gopher*
It’s a new term for me too. Apparently used to describe an acolyte of a guy called Nick Fuentes who is genuinely far right.
Right so this guy allowed his underage son access as opposed to a 22 year old having the legal right to ownership of his own firearm.Hey I don’t make the laws but look
Colin Gray, father of US school shooting suspect, charged with murder - BBC News
Colin Gray is accused of knowingly allowing his son access to a gun used to kill two teachers and two students in Georgia.www.bbc.com
I've been thinking this myself, but how long has farage shown he's nothing but a grifter and yet still gained popularity. Same with Trump in the US - should be obvious to everyone what he is yet he still got in. Then after that first term and what happened he still managed to get elected again later on. I'm hoping you're right but I certainly am not ruling out a Reform govt.This is not a dig, but how old are you, may I ask?
The saying is "a week is a long term in politics." The next election is nearly FOUR YEARS away. Just wondering how much experience you have of elections over the years.
So much will happen between now and then. In fact, anything can happen.
I honestly believe that Reform will not get in.
They attract so many wrong uns and cast offs from other parties.
As soon as people realise that Farage cannot do what he says he can do, the wheels will start to come off.
He's already had to rein back on his daft "two week" thing.
He's so much hot air.
Anyway, that's by the by. Seem to be a lot of people now believing they are certain to get in.
Let's see where they are in the next 12-18 months. Then we will have a better picture
Wow you need to calm down ffsRight so this guy allowed his underage son access as opposed to a 22 year old having the legal right to ownership of his own firearm.
Desperate attempt to pin the blame elsewhere.
Works every which way thoughI've been thinking this myself, but how long has farage shown he's nothing but a grifter and yet still gained popularity. Same with Trump in the US - should be obvious to everyone what he is yet he still got in. Then after that first term and what happened he still managed to get elected again later on. I'm hoping you're right but I certainly am not ruling out a Reform govt.
Some people just seem to want to ignore what's in front of their eyes, like a cult.
You said surely there's an element of blame. You made a judgement on a man who as far as we know has done nothing wrong other than spawning a son who is a murderer.Wow you need to calm down ffs
I have no skin in the game praise god
The person responsible is the person who pulled the trigger I’m just making the point the law sometimes sees things differently
You could have just stopped at he was 22 and that’s a good point and does make it different legally
Proposing a hypothesis yes and starting discussion not trying to find an excuse for a cold blooded murderYou said surely there's an element of blame. You made a judgement on a man who as far as we know has done nothing wrong other than spawning a son who is a murderer.
Sure there's going to be a ton of stuff to come out on this but where are you seeing anything confirmed? From what I'm reading the prosecution have made allegations but have also admitted he isn't talking.Investigators confirmed
Jumped the gun there so to speak. I have no idea if it was the gun he actually gave him, that he usedI know it's different over there, but if I bought my daughter a gun and then she killed someone, I would feel incredibly guilty and feel it was my fault.
I gave her the gun and she killed someone with the gun I gave her.
Natural thought process I would have thought.
Be different if he bought him a gun and it was kept on a range and the lad stole it or something
I fail to any reason that any 'blame' would fall on the father. My wife learned to shoot when she lived in Cyprus, her dad taught her. As far as i know she's not camped on a roof right now and if she was the only thing her dad would be to blame for would be making her a good shot.Proposing a hypothesis yes and starting discussion not trying to find an excuse for a cold blooded murder
Hey I don’t make the laws but look
Colin Gray, father of US school shooting suspect, charged with murder - BBC News
Colin Gray is accused of knowingly allowing his son access to a gun used to kill two teachers and two students in Georgia.www.bbc.com
It's a mad country.You will never take guns from the hands of the American public. We can mock them for being a bunch of headcases, as we should as good Brits, but its a completely irrelevant discussion. It will never ever happen, there would be civil war if anyone tried it.
So are many other countries. It is culturally quite different from the UK despite our common language for sure.It's a mad country.
I read that and from the offset, it was a narrative that didn’t make sense. Particularly, after it was revealed he had a trans partner. Something the article skimmed over and to me, strikes me as something edited into the article after the initial drafts.First link from the Telegraph talks about him using far right language - not something I'm accepting as gospel btw! Feels too simplistic.
and two other results I read from the Telegraph talk about him developing views sympathetic towards trans people recently.
It would be easier if you just posted the link you quoted. Still don't see anything that paints him as an activist in any article.
Don't we have to be open to the idea that his personal life nudged him to a different POV and with access to guns he did a horrific thing?
Sure there's going to be a ton of stuff to come out on this but where are you seeing anything confirmed? From what I'm reading the prosecution have made allegations but have also admitted he isn't talking.
like a cult.
The other mad thing is we have gone from this....You will never take guns from the hands of the American public. We can mock them for being a bunch of headcases, as we should as good Brits, but its a completely irrelevant discussion. It will never ever happen, there would be civil war if anyone tried it.
I have read all three yepWhat a bizarre comparison to make.
Have you actually read the article? The shooter in this instance was a 14 year old child and the father bought him an AR-15 despite the boy being questioned months prior after he made online threats to commit a school shooting.
Tyler Robinson is a fully grown man.
Yes i agree, they have access to weapons that only soldiers should have available to them. I'm really not sure how they would walk it back at this point though.The other mad thing is we have gone from this....
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First one is a gun. The second one is a fully automatic rifle.
They are owning more and more guns and the guns are getting bigger and more powerful
Batshit crazy.
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First one is a gun. The second one is a fully automatic rifle.
They are owning more and more guns and the guns are getting bigger and more powerful
Batshit crazy.
You're right of course and it's sad to have to say that.Yes i agree, they have access to weapons that only soldiers should have available to them. I'm really not sure how they would walk it back at this point though.
Yes i agree, they have access to weapons that only soldiers should have available to them. I'm really not sure how they would walk it back at this point though.
Definitely rather be in the UK. At least our civil war will be less shooty.You're right of course and it's sad to have to say that.
Gone to far now to ever rein back
I waited until the reports came out that the killer had carvings on bullets to make a judgement. The motives were pretty explicit.TBF most were saying "let's wait and see what their motives are."
And I hope you'll be as quick to point out the error of people's assumptions next time a terrorist attack immediately blamed on Islamic terrorists turns out not to be.
Do you think this country would be better or worse off if every adult were allowed to own the types of guns the Americans are?Right so this guy allowed his underage son access as opposed to a 22 year old having the legal right to ownership of his own firearm.
Desperate attempt to pin the blame elsewhere.
Worse obviously, i would think that goes without saying.Do you think this country would be better or worse off if every adult were allowed to own the types of guns the Americans are?
The polls show enormous support for universal background checks amongst other things. Not sure which polls you’re looking at?There isn't really a willingness to from the US public.
To put it into perspective, from recent polls nearly half the country are quite happy for either gun laws to remain unchanged or even for relaxations to be put in place.
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