Championship thread 25/26! (16 Viewers)

[pusbccfc]

It's not just a step too far it's a complete fantasy.

You really think at this stage that it won't be built?

 

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[pusbccfc]

Huh??? They weren't anywhere near filling it were they? Even with all the free tickets throw in.

There's not a realistic scenario where Birmingham City fill a 60k capacity stadium. That's a fact.

They had some huge crowds when they first threw free tickets away.

Eventually people got bored.

Birmingham will have to do the same.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

You really think at this stage that it won't be built?

I don't necessarily doubt a stadium will be built, it's too far along now for it to be a complete ruse.

But it won't be 60k that's just an absurd capacity.

Baring in mind that would put it on par with Anfield, Spurs' stadium, Emirates, Celtic Park etc.

 

[pusbccfc]

I don't necessarily doubt a stadium will be built, it's too far along now for it to be a complete ruse.

But it won't be 60k that's just an absurd capacity.

Baring in mind that would put it on par with Anfield, Spurs' stadium, Emirates, Celtic Park etc.

Everything suggests it's going to be 60,000. They want to build something that will host internationals, European finals and NFL games.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

They had some huge crowds when they first threw free tickets away.

Eventually people got bored.

Birmingham will have to do the same.

Yeah but that wasn't their average across a full season...

I've just looked it up even when they first moved into the Ricoh they were only averaging around 18k.

 

[pusbccfc]

Yeah but that wasn't their average across a full season...

I've just looked it up even when they first moved into the Ricoh they were only averaging around 18k.

Yeah, I was surprised just reading it. Thought it was higher.

That's still a huge average attendance for Rugby in 2015-17 though.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah, I was surprised just reading it. Thought it was higher.

That's still a huge average attendance for Rugby in 2015-17 though.

It was the flavour of the month and supported by an unsustainable habit of giving away free tickets. I doubt the number of full paying customers was ever anything to write home about, by comparison to Lesta Tigers down the road.

Birmingham aren't even the biggest club in their own city, not even the second biggest if you include West Brom. They will not bring in anything close to 60,000 people for a game, not even if they were in the CL. Villa don't even get that sort of demand.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Everything suggests it's going to be 60,000. They want to build something that will host internationals, European finals and NFL games.

Yeah I realise that, but it's still inconceivable for a Championship football club to be pulling in anywhere close to 60k fans every week. Unless it's full week in week out it's financially illogical to build a stadium of that size.

On the topic of it being a multi-purpose arena - great, doesn't really mean much in the wider context of it being feasible to build particularly.

Spurs' stadium hosts 2 NFL games per year, with Wembley hosting the other two and the majority of internationals will likely remain at Wembley as well. Will they be able to draw the NFL games away - certainly not from Wembley.

Slight argument for European finals but how many have been hosted in England in the past 30 years? 5 or 6? Hardly a huge money spinner and there's no guarantee they'll be the host stadium.

At this stage I just don't really buy the rhetoric of an egotistical buffoon whose existence is to come out with absurd, outlandish statements purely for column inches and to get window licking Brum fans excited.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah I realise that, but it's still inconceivable for a Championship football club to be pulling in anywhere close to 60k fans every week. Unless it's full week in week out it's financially illogical to build a stadium of that size.

On the topic of it being a multi-purpose arena - great, doesn't really mean much in the wider context of it being feasible to build particularly.

Spurs' stadium hosts 2 NFL games per year, with Wembley hosting the other two and the majority of internationals will likely remain at Wembley as well. Will they be able to draw those away - certainly not from Wembley.

Slight argument for European finals but how many have been hosted in England in the past 30 years? 5 or 6? Hardly a huge money spinner and there's no guarantee they'll be the host stadium.

At this stage I just don't really buy the rhetoric of an egotistical buffoon whose existence is to come out with absurd, outlandish statements purely for column inches and to get window licking Brum fans excited.

Sunderland and Newcastle are the clubs with the highest crowds in this league, Newcastle averaging around 50k when they were last in it. A far bigger club than Birmingham, in a one club city where football is second to if not equal with God.

I assume Wagner is expecting promotion in the coming seasons, which he might get if he doesn't have to wait his turn with potentially 3 non-promoted sides coming down next season.

 

[pusbccfc]

Yeah I realise that, but it's still inconceivable for a Championship football club to be pulling in anywhere close to 60k fans every week. Unless it's full week in week out it's financially illogical to build a stadium of that size.

On the topic of it being a multi-purpose arena - great, doesn't really mean much in the wider context of it being feasible to build particularly.

Spurs' stadium hosts 2 NFL games per year, with Wembley hosting the other two and the majority of internationals will likely remain at Wembley as well. Will they be able to draw the NFL games away - certainly not from Wembley.

Slight argument for European finals but how many have been hosted in England in the past 30 years? 5 or 6? Hardly a huge money spinner and there's no guarantee they'll be the host stadium.

At this stage I just don't really buy the rhetoric of an egotistical buffoon whose existence is to come out with absurd, outlandish statements purely for column inches and to get window licking Brum fans excited.

They will host plenty of NFL games if it's purpose built like Tottenham. Especially with the Brady link.

Birmingham also does not have an ideal stadium to host major concerts. Villa has hosted some in recent years, but the Ricoh has been a mainstay for the past 15 years for stadium tours.

From a city perspective, Birmingham needs to catch up with Manchester and London who already have venues like this. From the perspective of the football club, it will completely change the culture of Birmingham City. Not for good reasons either. They'll soon hate it.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Sunderland and Newcastle are the clubs with the highest crowds in this league, Newcastle averaging around 50k when they were last in it. A far bigger club than Birmingham, in a one club city where football is second to if not equal with God.

I assume Wagner is expecting promotion in the coming seasons, which he might get if he doesn't have to wait his turn with potentially 3 non-promoted sides coming down next season.

Yeah those two clubs are so unique though it's not even worth comparing. Football is ingrained within their culture and respective communities - like you said it's basically church for them.

Re. your second point, even if he gets BCFC into the Prem, that still won't be enough. He'll need them to stay there, and for a number of years, to build and retain the fanbase.

 

[pusbccfc]

It was the flavour of the month and supported by an unsustainable habit of giving away free tickets. I doubt the number of full paying customers was ever anything to write home about, by comparison to Lesta Tigers down the road.

Birmingham aren't even the biggest club in their own city, not even the second biggest if you include West Brom. They will not bring in anything close to 60,000 people for a game, not even if they were in the CL. Villa don't even get that sort of demand.

If Birmingham are in the Premier League, they'd probably sell it out. Again, not to Birmingham fans but to Premier League supporters.

 

[Otis]

Everything suggests it's going to be 60,000. They want to build something that will host internationals, European finals and NFL games.

The Birmingham Bovrils?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah those two clubs are so unique though it's not even worth comparing. Football is ingrained within their culture and respective communities - like you said it's basically church for them.

Re. your second point, even if he gets BCFC into the Prem, that still won't be enough. He'll need them to stay there, and for a number of years, to build and retain the fanbase.

If Birmingham are in the Premier League, they'd probably sell it out. Again, not to Birmingham fans but to Premier League supporters.

The highest average crowd Birmingham managed in the Prem was just shy of 29,000. That dropped to near 25,000 when they were last in it. A stadium size of 40,000 would however be a sensible ambition, if he dropped the more fantastical ideas of hosting European finals or NFL fixtures.

 

[Hutch11]

I hope the scabby bastards go tits up

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

They will host plenty of NFL games if it's purpose built like Tottenham. Especially with the Brady link.

Birmingham also does not have an ideal stadium to host major concerts. Villa has hosted some in recent years, but the Ricoh has been a mainstay for the past 15 years for stadium tours.

From a city perspective, Birmingham needs to catch up with Manchester and London who already have venues like this. From the perspective of the football club, it will completely change the culture of Birmingham City. Not for good reasons either. They'll soon hate it.

Oh come off it just because Tom Brady has a hand in BCFC that categorically doesn't mean the NFL is setting up shop in the Midlands.

There's so many roadblocks to overcome for more games to come to the UK. Mainly, there's contracts in place with Spurs' stadium and Wembley and the fanbase just isn't big enough here realistically to warrant permanent franchise or even regular fixtures outside London.

As a concert venue and other sports e.g. boxing yes there will be a reasonable revenue stream, granted. They'll still competing against other venues though.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The sleeping giant thing is embarrasing... They have won a whole two League Cups in their history and their historic average attendance is marginally bigger than ours, which considering our years in the doldrums and playing matches outside of our own City and their much bigger catchment area/population that really is not impressive

A City the size of Birmingham could easily carry two big football clubs but the claim that BCFC are this once mighty fallen giant is simply not true, they are and always have been a decent sized Championship club who wouldn't look out of place if they got into the top flight

They also claim that a lot of Villa's support is from outside of the city of Birmingham, which actually makes their gates look even worse relative to population.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Whatever a club generates organically can be counted towards offsetting spending regulations.

I really wouldn't take any notice of figures that are touted though, they're speculative nonsense which are baseless.

But to answer the hypothetical point it's not really a massive loophole as it would take at least 5-7 years starting from ground being broken for a project of that size to be completed and then X amount of years for the sports quarter as an entirety to be generating that kind of revenue.

It would be physically impossibly to generate that kind of revenue in the Championship though.

They have not even applied for outline planning permission for it yet, IF it was really happening it is still imo many years away. Way beyond the term the investors will tolerate imo.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

They have not even applied for outline planning permission for it yet, IF it was really happening it is still imo many years away. Way beyond the term the investors will tolerate imo.

Oh another fanatical claim from Wagner just to make it even more believable now you've said that.

He wants this stadium to be completed by 2029.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Oh another fanatical claim from Wagner just to make it even more believable now you've said that.

He wants this stadium to be completed by 2029.

There is a major construction going on nearby, even if it had planning permission and the funds in place, where are the workers coming from? There will be a lot of work going on in relation to that HS2 station and line in the next few years.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

There is a major construction going on nearby, even if it had planning permission and the funds in place, where are the workers coming from? There will be a lot of work going on in relation to that HS2 station and line in the next few years.

Rumour has it he recently saw Charlie and the Chocolate Factory for the first time and enquired to see whether Oompa Loopas were a viable option.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Watford coming in to our game on decent form, only 1 loss in their last 5

Good let them come and attacker us, play right into our hands.

 

[CovRes]

Oh come off it just because Tom Brady has a hand in BCFC that categorically doesn't mean the NFL is setting up shop in the Midlands.

There's so many roadblocks to overcome for more games to come to the UK. Mainly, there's contracts in place with Spurs' stadium and Wembley and the fanbase just isn't big enough here realistically to warrant permanent franchise or even regular fixtures outside London.

As a concert venue and other sports e.g. boxing yes there will be a reasonable revenue stream, granted. They'll still competing against other venues though.

The NFL are also casting their net wider than just the UK. They had a game(s) in Dublin, for example.
Playing in more English cities will do less for their global expansion plans than playing in Ireland, France, Germany, etc.

 

[alexccfc99]

They also claim that a lot of Villa's support is from outside of the city of Birmingham, which actually makes their gates look even worse relative to population.

Yep - I live in Tamworth which they have always labelled as 'Villa territory' (Along with other towns such as Sutton Coldfield, Lichfield etc.) whilst claiming the 'Proper Brummies support Blues'

Skip to now and you see as many Blues shirts round here than you do Villa since the take over, some of which never shown an interest beforehand... yet they have the nerve to question where we were when we were shit?

 

[wingy]

I've reiterated this point a few times now but half of their goals so far this season have come from outside the box. Again, against Hull the other night their two shots on target were from outside the box - one of which was a goal.

Opposition managers and coaches will undoubtedly have cottoned on to this by now and will instruct their players to avoid giving them that kind of space moving forward.

It's an unsustainable tactic to rely on across a full season.

That applies to us also doesn't it, but not jf we're canny and vary our play both in game and across two or three or six for instance?

 

[pusbccfc]

Oh come off it just because Tom Brady has a hand in BCFC that categorically doesn't mean the NFL is setting up shop in the Midlands.

There's so many roadblocks to overcome for more games to come to the UK. Mainly, there's contracts in place with Spurs' stadium and Wembley and the fanbase just isn't big enough here realistically to warrant permanent franchise or even regular fixtures outside London.

As a concert venue and other sports e.g. boxing yes there will be a reasonable revenue stream, granted. They'll still competing against other venues though.

Even one or two NFL games a year is a huge money maker.

As I've said above, Birmingham is the second city and the fact its two football clubs have such small, dated stadiums is remarkable really. They need to compete with Manchester.

Wagner is playing the nice game with the government by promising to pump millions into a massively underperforming city. HS2 is coming and it will be a wider project.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

That applies to us also doesn't it, but not jf we're canny and vary our play both in game and across two or three or six for instance?

Why does it when we've scored all types of goals and are actually incredibly difficult to play against regardless of how the opposition set up largely due to how diverse and unpredictable we are in attack?

 

[wingy]

Why does it when we've scored all types of goals and are actually incredibly difficult to play against regardless of how the opposition set up largely due to how diverse and unpredictable we are in attack?

That's what I'm suggesting teams will seek to do away with Torps goals for instance if Leicester are scoring different goals to his then fair enough.

 

[Lamps]

Not certain there hasn’t been significant investment on top each year

On top yes. But we get comments saying we've spent 50m or so on our squad when in reality we've spent what we have received.

 

[alexccfc99]

I hope the scabby bastards go tits up

I would take The Villa winning another European Cup if it meant the Blue Nose twats not winning a single for as long as I am on earth, insufferable bunch and if they played tomorrow I would want Villa to win every day of the week

 

[Lamps]

We have shown for the last 3 consecutive seasons that a shit start isn't terminal for a successful campaign overall. You write teams off in this division at your peril, as I learned the hard way!

The problem Sheffield United have is they have a poor squad. They sold good players and brought in mainly low quality replacements.

They're good enough for mid table but not good enough to make the top 6.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

They have not even applied for outline planning permission for it yet, IF it was really happening it is still imo many years away. Way beyond the term the investors will tolerate imo.

Are they hoping Premier League money will help finance it, if so they could be waiting a long time. You can't just get planning and start work the next day. Like you say they will need workers on it who are already on other big projects

 

[wingy]

Are they hoping Premier League money will help finance it, if so they could be waiting a long time. You can't just get planning and start work the next day. Like you say they will need workers on it who are already on other big projects

I'm sure they've done their homework, who's the right Palms to cross, I suspect it will be delayed for other reasons!
If all these stadiums get built I think I'm going to advise my grandson goes into that rather than as sports journo

 

[Lamps]

Last season, we had 9 points after 11 games... We finished 5th.

I think it'll be a low threshold for playoffs again this season. Barring ourselves, there is no stand out team and teams are dropping points all over. The promoted teams are usually the easy 4-6 points for most teams but this season will probably have the best intake from L1 and worst intake from the Prem in a long while.

We also had the same players then as we do now with extra quality that have hardly played. It took us a manager change and ever since we haven't looked back.

I have a feeling it could be a high amount of points to usual to get to the playoffs. 10th place are averaging just over 1.5 points a game and 71 points for the season. Last season we had 3 clubs with a lot of points which reduced the amount of points available for the other clubs. This season there's us and maybe Middlesbrough that could pull away from the rest.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

They've bought other local teams and plan to have it all centralised. Tbh that would be decent and help it grow. I'd love for us to have all of our training ground and academy around the CBS with everything brought together. Dare I say the set up Leicester have is pretty impressive too.

Perhaps I'm just old school but I like the idea of training grounds away from the stadium and in the countryside. Ryton does need more facilities and pitches though. I think King has mentioned this