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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #36
AndreasB said:
No, you havent understood. No problem with the Hill protesters, they are just ineffective and would be so much more of a presence if they were inside. Its time to move on from the absurdity of NOPM now.
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I'll move on when SISU move on from the absurdity that is playing at Suxfields.

If you don't have a problem with protesters but feel a presence inside would be more effective you don't really have a good excuse for not protesting inside yourself do you? Unless you like it there off course and approve of SISU's policies?
 

WestEndAgro

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #37
skybluetony176 said:
I'll move on when SISU move on from the absurdity that is playing at Suxfields.

If you don't have a problem with protesters but feel a presence inside would be more effective you don't really have a good excuse for not protesting inside yourself do you? Unless you like it there off course and approve of SISU's policies?
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AndreasB has a protest lined up from last season, we are all still waiting for the outcome, I wouldn't hold your breath though.
 

ohitsaidwalker king power

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  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #38
AndreasB said:
No, you havent understood. No problem with the Hill protesters, they are just ineffective and would be so much more of a presence if they were inside. Its time to move on from the absurdity of NOPM now.
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Hi Andreas- I will try to enter into reasonable debate with you once more and seek your polite concurrence to same..last time you used unwelcome expletives against me I think(?), but this is a forum, where debate at a level above abuse is appreciated.

I am one of "The Hill" protestors, my son and I are, we are less frequent than some, given marital estranged position its less easy for us than some perhaps, but do attend when we can and will continue to do so. We refuse to enter Sixfields, however we choose this position not in support of 'attrition wars' i.e seeking SISU exit by such means i.e NOPM because in my view that is a futile position, we do not enter Sixfields because our respective consciences do not think its the right thing to do, based on a moral based position we took, using our own installed values, it so happens that we feel vindicated (but not pleased by) by the legal system.
Now does this mean that those that enter Sixfield have no conscience or morals as seemed to be the root cause of your anger towards me(*?) last time, no of course not. Morals and ethics are learned behaviours and positions adopted through life, influenced by many factors... I asked you last time, and politely again do the same... Do the legal judgments not cast at SISU with damning derision by consecutive judges require you to review your position and not attend Sixfields- not through any deviant NOPM campaign, but because of values?

If this brings you upset then I apologise in advance.

*reference
http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threa...turn-to-Ricoh-this-season?p=745030#post745030
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #39
WestEndAgro said:
AndreasB has a protest lined up from last season, we are all still waiting for the outcome, I wouldn't hold your breath though.
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Forgot about that, Cheers. I won't hold my breath
 
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AndreasB

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  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #40
ohitsaidwalker king power said:
Hi Andreas- I will try to enter into reasonable debate with you once more and seek your polite concurrence to same..last time you used unwelcome expletives against me I think(?), but this is a forum, where debate at a level above abuse is appreciated.

I am one of "The Hill" protestors, my son and I are, we are less frequent than some, given marital estranged position its less easy for us than some perhaps, but do attend when we can and will continue to do so. We refuse to enter Sixfields, however we choose this position not in support of 'attrition wars' i.e seeking SISU exit by such means i.e NOPM because in my view that is a futile position, we do not enter Sixfields because our respective consciences do not think its the right thing to do, based on a moral based position we took, using our own installed values, it so happens that we feel vindicated (but not pleased by) by the legal system.
Now does this mean that those that enter Sixfield have no conscience or morals as seemed to be the root cause of your anger towards me(*?) last time, no of course not. Morals and ethics are learned behaviours and positions adopted through life, influenced by many factors... I asked you last time, and politely again do the same... Do the legal judgments not cast at SISU with damning derision by consecutive judges require you to review your position and not attend Sixfields- not through any deviant NOPM campaign, but because of values?

If this brings you upset then I apologise in advance.

*reference
http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threa...turn-to-Ricoh-this-season?p=745030#post745030
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Perhaps it is something to do with your patronising and holier than thou tone that sticks in the craw. Your hill protest is a waste of time and energy. You would achieve far more if you went inside and had a more disruptive protest. That would be the "morally" right thing to do as it would expedite the situation and be for the greater good.
 
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AndreasB

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  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #41
skybluetony176 said:
Forgot about that, Cheers. I won't hold my breath
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I wish you would. About 40 minutes should do it.
 
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Gosford Green

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #42
If any of the hill protesters went into SF the owners would spin it as `fans are returning in droves`or similar.

Do you not understand that those that stand on that hill see the prospect of entering SF let alone paying a penny to the people who took us there as completely unpalatable ?
 
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AndreasB

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  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #43
WestEndAgro said:
AndreasB has a protest lined up from last season, we are all still waiting for the outcome, I wouldn't hold your breath though.
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Yes I was going to. Funnily enough I didnt because I was egged on by losers like you who couldnt be arsed to join me or do anything themselves.
 
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Gosford Green

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #44
''If this brings you upset then I apologise in advance''.

They get very offended quite easily, they take themselves quite serious.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #45
AndreasB said:
I wish you would. About 40 minutes should do it.
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I'll do you a deal. I will hold my breath for the entirety of your protest inside Suxfields.

I won't be holding my breath though.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #46
This is why something everybody can do is the best idea.

People can stand and shout "you should come in" or "you should come out" but you can't force people to do either and it will just end up causing arguments and ending up with a lame protest
 
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Gosford Green

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  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #47
Protest inside Sixfields ? They can`t even muster up a song let alone show descent to the regime.
 
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Gosford Green

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  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #48
Nick said:
This is why something everybody can do is the best idea.

People can stand and shout "you should come in" or "you should come out" but you can't force people to do either and it will just end up causing arguments and ending up with a lame protest
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Totally agree it would turn into a slanging match or worse.
 
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AndreasB

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  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #49
Gosford Green said:
If any of the hill protesters went into SF the owners would spin it as `fans are returning in droves`or similar.

Do you not understand that those that stand on that hill see the prospect of entering SF let alone paying a penny to the people who took us there as completely unpalatable ?
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Are you really scared that SISU would try and spin this as higher attendances? You really are unsure of your convictions if that puts you off.
 
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AndreasB

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #50
Nick said:
This is why something everybody can do is the best idea.

People can stand and shout "you should come in" or "you should come out" but you can't force people to do either and it will just end up causing arguments and ending up with a lame protest
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and what is "something everybody can do" exactly then? Another pointless March round the town?

The time has come for a bit more direct action in the ground - no other option now. Fisher just laughs at those on the hill.
 
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lamtara2006

Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #51
AndreasB said:
and what is "something everybody can do" exactly then? Another pointless March round the town?

The time has come for a bit more direct action in the ground - no other option now. Fisher just laughs at those on the hill.
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Then let's see those who go into the ground do something about it! You condemn the ineffectiveness of the Boycott / NOPM and those of us who stand on the Hill - btw I totally disagree with all your points in those regards - so perhaps it is time for those who believe that it is acceptable to attend Sixfields matches to make some sort of stand. Or are you personally content to accept the current situation and just criticise those who take a principled decision not to support the club owners, either financially or with our presence?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #52
Me too. We'll be on holiday.

jabharty said:
I'll be in Wales so it'll be interesting!
Could be very sobering looking at their potential line up.
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WestEndAgro

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #53
AndreasB said:
Yes I was going to. Funnily enough I didnt because I was egged on by losers like you who couldnt be arsed to join me or do anything themselves.
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So instead you sit there like a "nodding dog" priceless !
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #54
To the people who will not go in to protest a question.

If you were a Peace Envoy and was firmly opposed to the Israel policy towards Gaza and was offered an opportunity to protest in Israel would you say no as you object to Israel?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #55
AndreasB said:
and what is "something everybody can do" exactly then? Another pointless March round the town?

The time has come for a bit more direct action in the ground - no other option now. Fisher just laughs at those on the hill.
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Fisher is laughing at all of us, it's all one bad joke to SISU.

Some are just willing to pay to be mocked, most aren't.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #56
Grendel said:
To the people who will not go in to protest a question.

If you were a Peace Envoy and was firmly opposed to the Israel policy towards Gaza and was offered an opportunity to protest in Israel would you say no as you object to Israel?
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Since when did peace envoys protest?

I have to say that your "comparison" of a football club and Gaza is in bad taste.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #57
Grendel said:
To the people who will not go in to protest a question.

If you were a Peace Envoy and was firmly opposed to the Israel policy towards Gaza and was offered an opportunity to protest in Israel would you say no as you object to Israel?
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Bad analogy is bad.

Might make sense if you were offered to paint a protest message on a bomb you paid for being dropped on Gaza (as that's what you disagree with happening and you would be enabling it), but frankly it's so convoluted I think it's beyond saving.

Let's be honest here folks, we're not planning on Sisu to suddenly turn around and go "Oh shit, didn't realise you didn't like it at Sixfields, off home we go".

Any protest has two points:

1) get it mentioned in the media
2) make us feel better about ourselves

1 is achieved with a presence on the hill and a banner or two inside. Anything more ambitious will be a damp squib due to low numbers.
 

ohitsaidwalker king power

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #58
ohitsaidwalker king power said:
Hi Andreas- I will try to enter into reasonable debate with you once more and seek your polite concurrence to same..last time you used unwelcome expletives against me I think(?), but this is a forum, where debate at a level above abuse is appreciated.

I am one of "The Hill" protestors, my son and I are, we are less frequent than some, given marital estranged position its less easy for us than some perhaps, but do attend when we can and will continue to do so. We refuse to enter Sixfields, however we choose this position not in support of 'attrition wars' i.e seeking SISU exit by such means i.e NOPM because in my view that is a futile position, we do not enter Sixfields because our respective consciences do not think its the right thing to do, based on a moral based position we took, using our own installed values, it so happens that we feel vindicated (but not pleased by) by the legal system.
Now does this mean that those that enter Sixfield have no conscience or morals as seemed to be the root cause of your anger towards me(*?) last time, no of course not. Morals and ethics are learned behaviours and positions adopted through life, influenced by many factors... I asked you last time, and politely again do the same... Do the legal judgments not cast at SISU with damning derision by consecutive judges require you to review your position and not attend Sixfields- not through any deviant NOPM campaign, but because of values?

If this brings you upset then I apologise in advance.

*reference
http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threa...turn-to-Ricoh-this-season?p=745030#post745030
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AndreasB said:
Perhaps it is something to do with your patronising and holier than thou tone that sticks in the craw. Your hill protest is a waste of time and energy. You would achieve far more if you went inside and had a more disruptive protest. That would be the "morally" right thing to do as it would expedite the situation and be for the greater good.
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Ok. so you misinterpreted my politeness for patronising.. not meant sorry, does that clear the craw?.

I guess well have to agree to disagree about the navigation around life's metaphorical moral compass and how to find true North?

Incidentally I am a confirmed atheist and so 'holier than thou' is somewhat of an own goal perhaps?
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #59
shmmeee said:
Bad analogy is bad.

Might make sense if you were offered to paint a protest message on a bomb you paid for being dropped on Gaza (as that's what you disagree with happening and you would be enabling it), but frankly it's so convoluted I think it's beyond saving.

Let's be honest here folks, we're not planning on Sisu to suddenly turn around and go "Oh shit, didn't realise you didn't like it at Sixfields, off home we go".

Any protest has two points:

1) get it mentioned in the media
2) make us feel better about ourselves

1 is achieved with a presence on the hill and a banner or two inside. Anything more ambitious will be a damp squib due to low numbers.
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In that case the analogy is not bad it is perfectly valid as the protest can be conducted in front of the people responsible for the decision. To protest out if site in a town centre or on a hill away from the action is pointless.

I have always refused to go on holiday to certain countries due to their animal rights records. If as a member if CWF I was offered an opportunity to protest in the country I would. I would be under no illusion it would bring an overnight policy change but it would be for publicity reasons.

By refusing to protest against the chief instigators on moral grounds is nonsensical.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #60
Grendel said:
In that case the analogy is not bad it is perfectly valid as the protest can be conducted in front of the people responsible for the decision. To protest out if site in a town centre or on a hill away from the action is pointless.

I have always refused to go on holiday to certain countries due to their animal rights records. If as a member if CWF I was offered an opportunity to protest in the country I would. I would be under no illusion it would bring an overnight policy change but it would be for publicity reasons.

By refusing to protest against the chief instigators on moral grounds is nonsensical.
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So as CCFC is an English football team protesting on a hill in England is the right thing to do then. Thanks for clearing that up.
 

ohitsaidwalker king power

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  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #61
skybluetony176 said:
So as CCFC is an English football team protesting on a hill in England is the right thing to do then. Thanks for clearing that up.
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I can feel a rendition of that old songs of praise favourite "There is a green hill far way... beyond a city wall" coming on...
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #62
skybluetony176 said:
So as CCFC is an English football team protesting on a hill in England is the right thing to do then. Thanks for clearing that up.
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No it isn't and there is no protesting on the hill. If was protesting against something I cared about I would want to convey a message directly to the people responsible. I would not want to be out of sight.

It makes life very easy for fisher and co.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #63
We as City fans are collectively a bit shit aren't we.....

...You protest....no you protest....only after you....no, you go first.....

Maybe the legion & their "youth" might finally do something worthwhile with their empty little lives & get a game at sixfields called off due to a pitch invasion....not that I'd advocate such action, obviously...
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #64
Grendel said:
No it isn't and there is no protesting on the hill. If was protesting against something I cared about I would want to convey a message directly to the people responsible. I would not want to be out of sight.

It makes life very easy for fisher and co.
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So your saying that Fisher and Co are too stupid (as are you apparently) to realise that fans who would rather stand on the hill or the majority who stay at home and listen to the game on the radio are protesting?

Let me guess. Thousands of don't go because they don't have the means to travel?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #65
skybluetony176 said:
So your saying that Fisher and Co are too stupid (as are you apparently) to realise that fans who would rather stand on the hill or the majority who stay at home and listen to the game on the radio are protesting?

Let me guess. Thousands of don't go because they don't have the means to travel?
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So why do the likes of you complain and whine when the people in the ground don't protest? So you think any form of protest or demonstration is a waste of time and achieves nothing?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #66
Grendel said:
So why do the likes of you complain and whine when the people in the ground don't protest? So you think any form of protest or demonstration is a waste of time and achieves nothing?
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It makes no sense for the people in suxfields to not protest, unless they're happy to be there off course.

Is your second sentence full of typo's as it makes no sense to either your first sentence or anything I've ever said ever?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #67
skybluetony176 said:
It makes no sense for the people in suxfields to not protest, unless they're happy to be there off course.

Is your second sentence full of typo's as it makes no sense to either your first sentence or anything I've ever said ever?
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No you just do not want to answer.

Do you large scale vocal protests in front of the people you are protesting against can be effective - yes or no?
 

ohitsaidwalker king power

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #68
Grendel said:
No you just do not want to answer.

Do you large scale vocal protests in front of the people you are protesting against can be effective - yes or no?
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I've read this quite a few times.....can you clarify G for us please, I cannot make sense of it?
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #69
For anyone who is interested this game will be also shown at Carters in town..
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2014
  • #70
Grendel said:
No you just do not want to answer.

Do you large scale vocal protests in front of the people you are protesting against can be effective - yes or no?
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Again you seem to have some typo's or maybe your sentence is missing some words. The question you are accusing me of dodging is written as a statement with a question mark at the end so makes no sense. Your second attempt is no better, I think it's written in caveman or something.

As soon as you can word the question in a manner that it can be understood I'll give you an answer.
 
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