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Lamps

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Ok, so what are you expectations for this unnamed striker - how many goals do you expect them to get playing 2nd fiddle to Haji? From my POV, it seems that no one wants to be put a number on it because it's either an unrealistic expectation or its roughly the same as what we've got.
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Second fiddle to a player who has been injured since last year and is still struggling with injury?

So far under Lampard we signed Grimes for 3.5m who is a very good midfielder. We signed defender KKH for 3.5m he also looks very good. We signed Rushworth on loan. A GK who is very good. I wouldn't have guessed any of these players.

Lampard will know our weaknesses. He will know the players available and which ones would be best for the system he uses. He was very happy at the prospect of Wright coming back. Was that because he thought Simms and BTA were good enough?

I'm sure Lampard is doing his best to bring a striker in. You could tell by his last interview. I have faith in him as he knows much more than all of us put together.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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WebbCCFC said:
Here's a number, at least 4 off the bench, 10 overall. Happy?
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It gives us something substantive that we can work with at least. Just to make you aware, Simms hits his xG from last year (he outperformed his xG in 23/24), it fits your criteria perfectly. If he hit that, would you be happy?

Rather than chuck the baby out with the bathwater, Simms gets this season to turn his form around and push Haji for the starting berth and if he fails, we move him on.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys said:
It gives us something substantive that we can work with at least. Just to make you aware, Simms hits his xG from last year (he outperformed his xG in 23/24), it fits your criteria perfectly. If he hit that, would you be happy?

Rather than chuck the baby out with the bathwater, Simms gets this season to turn his form around and push Haji for the starting berth and if he fails, we move him on.
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He hit his XG with 6 goals in 43 games? - how can you not see that this is the problem? If he doesn't score, he offers nothing. He's static, you can't rely on him to relieve pressure or bring others into play.

Here's a stat that you won't like. 9 fouls won in 43 games. Is that not proof that he's ridiculously easy to play against?
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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Lamps said:
Second fiddle to a player who has been injured since last year and is still struggling with injury?

So far under Lampard we signed Grimes for 3.5m who is a very good midfielder. We signed defender KKH for 3.5m he also looks very good. We signed Rushworth on loan. A GK who is very good. I wouldn't have guessed any of these players.

Lampard will know our weaknesses. He will know the players available and which ones would be best for the system he uses. He was very happy at the prospect of Wright coming back. Was that because he thought Simms and BTA were good enough?

I'm sure Lampard is doing his best to bring a striker in. You could tell by his last interview. I have faith in him as he knows much more than all of us put together.
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Who wouldn't be happy with a player of Wright's calibre returning back into the fold? He's our best player and league leading player in his position, he is obviously a lot better than Simms and BTA which is why he cost more than both of them and most of Bassette's fee combined.

Lampard mentioned about depth and having more of it in certain areas which definitely leads me to think we're actively recruiting for RW/LW and CB and that coincides with what Jimmy87 said. Even the players we're being tenuously linked with are wingers. Even Bertaccini who is a mostly a striker has played a similar amount of games at ST as well as LW.

WebbCCFC said:
He hit his XG with 6 goals in 43 games? - how can you not see that this is the problem? If he doesn't score, he offers nothing. He's static, you can't rely on him to relieve pressure or bring others into play.

Here's a stat that you won't like. 9 fouls won in 43 games. Is that not proof that he's ridiculously easy to play against?
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No, he massively underperformed his xG last season (24/25) and outperformed it in 23/24 - last season was his worst season by quite a distance. He obviously needs to improve this if he is to have a future at this club.

It's quite funny seeing you bring in 'fouls won' after being shown the stats that show that Simms has the underlying data to hit your specific requirements you laid out of 10 goals. If he hits 10 goals next year, I won't care how many fouls he wins.
 
Lamps

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
It gives us something substantive that we can work with at least. Just to make you aware, Simms hits his xG from last year (he outperformed his xG in 23/24), it fits your criteria perfectly. If he hit that, would you be happy?

Rather than chuck the baby out with the bathwater, Simms gets this season to turn his form around and push Haji for the starting berth and if he fails, we move him on.
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This season looks the weakest in the Championship for promotion for years. Should we risk it all on thinking Wright will suddenly get fit and start scoring or his replacements that had a poor season can suddenly turn it around?

BTW how much did Simms underperform on his xG last season as you used it from the season before?
 
SHUNT31

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
It gives us something substantive that we can work with at least. Just to make you aware, Simms hits his xG from last year (he outperformed his xG in 23/24), it fits your criteria perfectly. If he hit that, would you be happy?

Rather than chuck the baby out with the bathwater, Simms gets this season to turn his form around and push Haji for the starting berth and if he fails, we move him on.
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Whilst I do enjoy stats etc and think XG can be useful when judging how a team has performed, using it to judge a striker is pretty worthless.

Any player on a team can create a chance for a striker to put away. You can be a very poor footballer (as Simms is) and easily underperform your XG just by being in the right place at the right time.
 
Lamps

Lamps

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Who wouldn't be happy with a player of Wright's calibre returning back into the fold? He's our best player and league leading player in his position, he is obviously a lot better than Simms and BTA which is why he cost more than both of them and most of Bassette's fee combined.

Lampard mentioned about depth and having more of it in certain areas which definitely leads me to think we're actively recruiting for RW/LW and CB and that coincides with what Jimmy87 said. Even the players we're being tenuously linked with are wingers. Even Bertaccini who is a mostly a striker has played a similar amount of games at ST as well as LW.



No, he massively underperformed his xG last season (24/25) and outperformed it in 23/24 - last season was his worst season by quite a distance. He obviously needs to improve this if he is to have a future at this club.

It's quite funny seeing you bring in 'fouls won' after being shown the stats that show that Simms has the underlying data to hit your specific requirements you laid out of 10 goals. If he hits 10 goals next year, I won't care how many fouls he wins.
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Question answered. You want us to rely on someone in your own words massively underperformed last season.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys said:
No, he massively underperformed his xG last season (24/25) and outperformed it in 23/24 - last season was his worst season by quite a distance. He obviously needs to improve this if he is to have a future at this club.

It's quite funny seeing you bring in 'fouls won' after being shown the stats that show that Simms has the underlying data to hit your specific requirements you laid out of 10 goals. If he hits 10 goals next year, I won't care how many fouls he wins.
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I'd be happy if he proves me wrong. While you're fixating on goals, I'm talking about his all round game. I used the fouls stat to back up the point about him doing nothing unless he scores. He's 6 foot 4 and can't use his body to win fouls.

We're not going to agree, you're happy with mediocrity so let's leave it at that.
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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Lamps said:
This season looks the weakest in the Championship for promotion for years. Should we risk it all on thinking Wright will suddenly get fit and start scoring or his replacements that had a poor season can suddenly turn it around?

BTW how much did Simms underperform on his xG last season as you used it from the season before?
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Last season, it was 9.98 xG, scored 6 in the league, probably 10.4 or something including the League Cup. 23/24, it was 11.1 (or thereabouts) and he scored 13.

What's a higher risk, having Rapha covering Sakamoto/EMC or Simms/BTA covering Wright? To me, I'd rather us not have to change formation because we get 1 injury to EMC or Sakamoto which is what happened last season.

Lamps said:
Question answered. You want us to rely on someone in your own words massively underperformed last season.
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That's the spin you want to put on it. My POV is that 24/25 is an anomaly in Simms and BTA's careers and thankfully, we have 2 seasons of Championship data to go on where both Simms and BTA were much more reliable goal scorers.

One season, you can write off as a bad season, probably not two. Tyrese Campbell went from having 5 goals in 2 seasons to having a v strong season at Sheff U last season with a v good minutes to goals ratio.

If you have a hierarchy of priorities, addressing the lack of depth in the wide areas is clearly above that at striker and Lampard will 100% be aware that because he will not want to be forced into playing 5-3-2 again because he's ran out of wingers to play.
 
Lamps

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Thinking about it I can think of 2 goalkeepers that have scored.a quarter of the goals in a season that BTA did last season and one of them is still with us 😂😂😂
 
baldy

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Who wouldn't be happy with a player of Wright's calibre returning back into the fold? He's our best player and league leading player in his position, he is obviously a lot better than Simms and BTA which is why he cost more than both of them and most of Bassette's fee combined.

Lampard mentioned about depth and having more of it in certain areas which definitely leads me to think we're actively recruiting for RW/LW and CB and that coincides with what Jimmy87 said. Even the players we're being tenuously linked with are wingers. Even Bertaccini who is a mostly a striker has played a similar amount of games at ST as well as LW.



No, he massively underperformed his xG last season (24/25) and outperformed it in 23/24 - last season was his worst season by quite a distance. He obviously needs to improve this if he is to have a future at this club.

It's quite funny seeing you bring in 'fouls won' after being shown the stats that show that Simms has the underlying data to hit your specific requirements you laid out of 10 goals. If he hits 10 goals next year, I won't care how many fouls he wins.
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I wouldn't be happy with just 10 goals from him
 
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So back to the purpose of the thread. Doyle or another CB in the next few days? If we are to get one really would like them before Saturday to get one pre season game in with team mates
 
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Hincha

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In danger of being called a Simmp I thought he put himself about fairly well last night - it is last chance saloon for him & maybe a full pre-season with Lampard will get something out of him
 
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Hincha said:
In danger of being called a Simmp I thought he put himself about fairly well last night - it is last chance saloon for him & maybe a full pre-season with Lampard will get something out of him
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Agree that he put himself about well. His control of the football needs to be better, still. If he works his nuts off when he is on the pitch, I'd have him as our main striker \\9until we have better) I see Guiu from Chelsea is off to Sunderland on loan (would have been nice!)
 
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chickentikkamasala said:
A thread for all the numpties that can’t read the title in here…..

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

Our strikers……

Are they good enough or not? Debate it here instead of the Calum Doyle thread and every other thread. Sims? BTA? Bassette? Wright ?
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Title? I don't reply to titles. I reply to posts. Most of the time I either agree with what is said or wonder how good the drugs are that they are on and where I can get them from.
 
Lamps

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Hincha said:
In danger of being called a Simmp I thought he put himself about fairly well last night - it is last chance saloon for him & maybe a full pre-season with Lampard will get something out of him
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The problem is that the same thing is said frequently. I've defended him to the hilt previously and I seem to have been proven wrong. We can only go by what we see. Last season one of his biggest defenders admitted he performed well below what he should have done. I don't believe in miracles. We need better if we're going for promotion.
 
Lamps

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mark82 said:
I know I'm contributing to stuff in the wrong thread, but you've missed Haji Wright who was 7th.
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Who has been injured and struggling since 2024. We're now August 2025 tomorrow and just over a week from the start of the next season. Doesn't this worry you?
 
Lamps

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This is getting rather silly when you consider Brownhill nearly got as many goals from midfield as all of our strikers combined.....
 
baldy

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Lamps said:
Title? I don't reply to titles. I reply to posts. Most of the time I either agree with what is said or wonder how good the drugs are that they are on and where I can get them from.
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What? So you'd comment in the Donald Trump thread about how shit Simms is because you've not bothered to read the thread title?
 
Lamps

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baldy said:
What? So you'd comment in the Donald Trump thread about how shit Simms is because you've not bothered to read the thread title?
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Donald Trump thread? Why would I want to be on that and why would someone be making comments about Simms on there? 😂

Thanks for making me laugh though.
 
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