Callum Doyle (12 Viewers)

[Samo]

Simms needs to work much harder but I think there is player in there. Sadly confidence affected him too much and not helped after he was dropped by MR game after scoring away at Watford.
To be slightly fair he is always being manhandled by defenders and could say he creates distraction/space for Rudoni coming in late.
Simms needs to work on movement in box and anticipating where wingers can mix putting the ball as near post option rarely attacked enough . Corners/crosses have lead to us being amongst most headed goals in Europe though so can't all be bad.
As for BTA, I don't know what system or position rwally suits him. He struggles to control ball or pass sometimes but there is a player in there too.
Suspect we will stick with both but worth looking at Kone and European options.

Wasn't it rumored/reported that if Simms plays another competitive game we will owe Everton a hefty wedge? If that is the case it could be the deciding factor in who goes to make room.

 

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

Piroe got 4 goals from the bench last season for the team that finished top... Michael Smith got 5 off the bench for Wednesday if you want to look further down the league.
Exactly why I said someone in the Salech mould rather than him... If Cardiff can find him for £3m from abroad then why can't we who can have that impact. We shouldn't sign someone and tell them you're going to be a sub, it's a squad game and they should be fighting for a starting place.
BTA played in a West Brom side that soaked up pressure and countered which suits his style -> not how we play.
Simms (under a different manager) was nowhere near good enough in the league for 75% of that season and his numbers were heightened due to goals in the FA cup and a hat trick vs Rotherham. He only has goals in 14 games out of 89 in the league for us.

If you’re Doug King, you’re not sanctioning another multiple million pound signing on a striker when you have 3 on the books have scored double figures in previous seasons. As well as Bassette.

Lampard is supposedly an elite coach, it’s up to him to get the most out of these players. In the case of Simms specifically, he’s scored 19 goal in his first season.

As for Salech, he’s had one good half season… it could be a flash in the pan. Again, there aren’t many strikers in this division who score most of their goals from the bench.

You found Smith, fair play, there was always going to be 1-2. As for Piroe, he was the divisions top scorer.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Piroe got 4 goals from the bench last season for the team that finished top... Michael Smith got 5 off the bench for Wednesday if you want to look further down the league.
Exactly why I said someone in the Salech mould rather than him... If Cardiff can find him for £3m from abroad then why can't we who can have that impact. We shouldn't sign someone and tell them you're going to be a sub, it's a squad game and they should be fighting for a starting place.
BTA played in a West Brom side that soaked up pressure and countered which suits his style -> not how we play.
Simms (under a different manager) was nowhere near good enough in the league for 75% of that season and his numbers were heightened due to goals in the FA cup and a hat trick vs Rotherham. He only has goals in 14 games out of 89 in the league for us.

Salech

 

[fernandopartridge]

Sakamoto isn’t a sacred cow but again you would have said Hutchison was awful as he was a winger who rarely scored goals

But played in an era where a winger was a supplier first and foremost with two centre forwards the recipients. It's different from our 'wingers' who are just left / right sided forwards.

 

[WebbCCFC]

If you’re Doug King, you’re not sanctioning another multiple million pound signing on a striker when you have 3 on the books have scored double figures in previous seasons. As well as Bassette.

Lampard is supposedly an elite coach, it’s up to him to get the most out of these players. In the case of Simms specifically, he’s scored 19 goal in his first season.

As for Salech, he’s had one good half season… it could be a flash in the pan. Again, there aren’t many strikers in this division who score most of their goals from the bench.

You found Smith, fair play, there was always going to be 1-2. As for Piroe, he was the divisions top scorer.

Are you choosing to ignore all my previous points?
I said it doesn't make sense to buy someone unless we sell one of Simms/BTA.
Simms - is scoring in 14 out of 89 games good for you? With majority of them starting?
Salech - Simms has only had 1 good half season but you're defending him? Pick a side.
Piroe - irrelevant, you asked me to find a top 6 example who scored 4 or more off the bench, he did. Started on the bench and earned his way into the starting 11, which is what any player should be looking to do.

Simms/BTA - not good enough, end of.

This isn't the thread for this anyway.

 

[steve cooper]

But played in an era where a winger was a supplier first and foremost with two centre forwards the recipients. It's different from our 'wingers' who are just left / right sided forwards.

But Ronnie Rees is one example of a winger from that era, (although a few years earlier) who scored as many in half the games Hutchison played.

 

[Hincha]

Agree you can't sum up his technical ability with some arbitrary number on a piece of paper. I enjoy stats don't get me wrong and they have worth but people need to start watching with their eyes again, which was funnily enough how he was spotted in the first place.
We do need competition for him really though.

I agree but he's not on the level of MvE, Rudoni, Wright in their positions

If you find a player on that level at RW you do it. Whereas if you do it at ST you're blocking EMC as Wright moves to LW so its more difficult

 

[TomRad85]

I agree but he's not on the level of MvE, Rudoni, Wright in their positions

If you find a player on that level at RW you do it. Whereas if you do it at ST you're blocking EMC as Wright moves to LW so its more difficult

There's always going to be a sliding scale but he's still a very good player. Wouldn't even put Wright and MvE with Rudoni, think Rudoni is a fair bit better than both.

 

[TomRad85]

All said and done (and as said above this isn't the thread for it) if we go into the season with him here I will of course support him and hope against my better judgement that he has it inside of him to improve. But there's a reason most of the fan base now, including many that had his back for some time, are now done with him and it's not a conspiracy, its because eventually there's only so many times you can watch someone being a complete passenger before finally accepting they aren't very good.

 

[stupot07]

But played in an era where a winger was a supplier first and foremost with two centre forwards the recipients. It's different from our 'wingers' who are just left / right sided forwards.

Sakamoto contributes enough both in attack and in defence to warrant a starting birth. Especially playing in front of MVE allowing him to cover lap, covering him etc.

 

[Gaz71]

Would Doyle be pre season training with Man City first team or u21’s?


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[Martw]

Would Doyle be pre season training with Man City first team or u21’s?


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Is that thread about Doyle ?? I’d quite forgotten

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Are you choosing to ignore all my previous points?
I said it doesn't make sense to buy someone unless we sell one of Simms/BTA.
Simms - is scoring in 14 out of 89 games good for you? With majority of them starting?
Salech - Simms has only had 1 good half season but you're defending him? Pick a side.
Piroe - irrelevant, you asked me to find a top 6 example who scored 4 or more off the bench, he did. Started on the bench and earned his way into the starting 11, which is what any player should be looking to do.

Simms/BTA - not good enough, end of.

This isn't the thread for this anyway.

Who is good enough then? Piroe was a £10.5m signing to be their man striker and its more accurate to say he was 'eased' into the team.

On Salech, I'm pointing out that he's had one half season so next year he could also have his 'terrible twos' season as Simms as had. He's been a 1 in 3 goal a game striker his whole career with last season being the sole exception. It would be unwise to write him off imo. On Simms, I think it's too early to write him off and believe he'll have a good season this year. Salech could also be a standout player but the fee Cardiff would demand makes it more risky.

This 'games scored in' stat is nonsense. Games where a striker scored 2+ goals like Wolves, Sheff W, QPR, Rotherham and Huddersfield are obviously important. Its a manipulating the data because if doing the same exercise with any and every striker makes them look a lot worse.

 

[AJB1983]

Isaac Moore’s at FGR for the season isn’t he?

Oh I don’t know.
He was stood with Brad Collins - so maybe a keeper instead then?

took this picture - in fairness it looks a lot like Doyle but then looked a lot younger when he turned his head and the hair was more like TikTok hair than Doyle’s

for me he’s not ‘big’ enough - Callum is a unit

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Oh I don’t know.
He was stood with Brad Collins - so maybe a keeper instead then?

took this picture - in fairness it looks a lot like Doyle but then looked a lot younger when he turned his head and the hair was more like TikTok hair than Doyle’s

for me he’s not ‘big’ enough - Callum is a unit

aint it that keeper we signed this year from fulham

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

aint it that keeper we signed this year from fulham

Wasn’t he on the bench? I’d of thought he’d of been in kit like Collins?

 

[TomRad85]

aint it that keeper we signed this year from fulham

Conspiracy theorist. It's way more likely to be Callum Doyle lurking around in the shadows of the CBS like the Hunchback of Notre Dame.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

aint it that keeper we signed this year from fulham

yes Varney

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Conspiracy theorist. It's way more likely to be Callum Doyle lurking around in the shadows of the CBS like the Hunchback of Notre Dame.

Hanging from the top of the casino shouting

“ROBINSSSSS”

 

[WebbCCFC]

Who is good enough then? Piroe was a £10.5m signing to be their man striker and its more accurate to say he was 'eased' into the team.

On Salech, I'm pointing out that he's had one half season so next year he could also have his 'terrible twos' season as Simms as had. He's been a 1 in 3 goal a game striker his whole career with last season being the sole exception. It would be unwise to write him off imo. On Simms, I think it's too early to write him off and believe he'll have a good season this year. Salech could also be a standout player but the fee Cardiff would demand makes it more risky.

This 'games scored in' stat is nonsense. Games where a striker scored 2+ goals like Wolves, Sheff W, QPR, Rotherham and Huddersfield are obviously important. Its a manipulating the data because if doing the same exercise with any and every striker makes them look a lot worse.

If you're insinuating that we can't get better than Simms and BTA for our formation then there's no point in carrying on this conversation.

It's not a nonsense stat just because it doesn't fit your agenda. If Simms isn't scoring goals, he isn't offering anything. 80% of his games, we've been watching him stroll around half-arsed, jumping for headers before the ball is kicked up to him, and putting us under pressure with his first touch. I know there's a player in there, Wolves as an example, he was unbelievable, won everything in the air and was a constant threat. I'm sick of turning up and waiting for a repeat of that performance and being left disappointed and frustrated with what he offers 90% of the time

 

[SHUNT31]

Who is good enough then? Piroe was a £10.5m signing to be their man striker and its more accurate to say he was 'eased' into the team.

On Salech, I'm pointing out that he's had one half season so next year he could also have his 'terrible twos' season as Simms as had. He's been a 1 in 3 goal a game striker his whole career with last season being the sole exception. It would be unwise to write him off imo. On Simms, I think it's too early to write him off and believe he'll have a good season this year. Salech could also be a standout player but the fee Cardiff would demand makes it more risky.

This 'games scored in' stat is nonsense. Games where a striker scored 2+ goals like Wolves, Sheff W, QPR, Rotherham and Huddersfield are obviously important. It’s a manipulating the data because if doing the same exercise with any and every striker makes them look a lot worse.

Forget the stats for a second, what are his strengths?

I ask anyone that thinks he’s a good player to just watch him closely next time we play. I’ve never seen such an ineffective player get so much protection from fans.

Him being in the side affects us to the point where midfielders don’t want to play it into him because they do not trust him to keep hold of it. We saw it several times last season and even on a couple of occasions last night.

 

[HuckerbysQuiff]

Oh I don’t know.
He was stood with Brad Collins - so maybe a keeper instead then?

took this picture - in fairness it looks a lot like Doyle but then looked a lot younger when he turned his head and the hair was more like TikTok hair than Doyle’s

for me he’s not ‘big’ enough - Callum is a unit

No chance that’s Callum Doyle… nothing like him. Probably just a member of U21s

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

If you're insinuating that we can't get better than Simms and BTA for our formation then there's no point in carrying on this conversation.

It's not a nonsense stat just because it doesn't fit your agenda. If Simms isn't scoring goals, he isn't offering anything. 80% of his games, we've been watching him stroll around half-arsed, jumping for headers before the ball is kicked up to him, and putting us under pressure with his first touch. I know there's a player in there, Wolves as an example, he was unbelievable, won everything in the air and was a constant threat. I'm sick of turning up and waiting for a repeat of that performance and being left disappointed and frustrated with what he offers 90% of the time

Goals to appearances is the norm so anything other than that is a sneaky manipulation, frankly. Why you'd penalise a striker for scoring multiple goals in a game is baffling.

Forget the specifics on individual players, what is your expectations for this unnamed striker? Specifically, a realistic goal tally. Haji is going to be the starting striker so this player will be limited to 25-30m for appearances.

 

[TomRad85]

Forget the stats for a second, what are his strengths?

I ask anyone that thinks he’s a good player to just watch him closely next time we play. I’ve never seen such an ineffective player get so much protection from fans.

Him being in the side affects us to the point where midfielders don’t want to play it into him because they do not trust him to keep hold of it. We saw it several times last season and even on a couple of occasions last night.

He doesn't get much protection from fans anymore tbf. Simms simps are a dying breed.

 

[Bassette Deck]

He doesn't get much protection from fans anymore tbf. Simms simps are a dying breed.

What about the next generation, though? The Simms simps sons.

 

[TomRad85]

He doesn't get much protection from fans anymore tbf. Simms simps are a dying breed.

Just to follow this up I've realised Simmps would be much better and I'll go with that from now.

 

[Lamps]

If you’re Doug King, you’re not sanctioning another multiple million pound signing on a striker when you have 3 on the books have scored double figures in previous seasons. As well as Bassette.

Lampard is supposedly an elite coach, it’s up to him to get the most out of these players. In the case of Simms specifically, he’s scored 19 goal in his first season.

As for Salech, he’s had one good half season… it could be a flash in the pan. Again, there aren’t many strikers in this division who score most of their goals from the bench.

You found Smith, fair play, there was always going to be 1-2. As for Piroe, he was the divisions top scorer.

You defending Simms and BTA is like those who were defending Collins and Wilson until we brought in a lot better. Collins won the golden glove you know.

I'm not saying Simms is shite. He just isn't what we need. For the amount of headed goals we got last season someone of his height and stature should have done much better. We had defenders running the length of the pitch to score with their head. Simms was already there.

 

[AJB1983]

No chance that’s Callum Doyle… nothing like him. Probably just a member of U21s

Yeah that’s the conclusion I came to. Similar from a distance (height etc) but on review I thought u21.

 

[SHUNT31]

You defending Simms and BTA is like those who were defending Collins and Wilson until we brought in a lot better. Collins won the golden glove you know.

I'm not saying Simms is shite. He just isn't what we need. For the amount of headed goals we got last season someone of his height and stature should have done much better. We had defenders running the length of the pitch to score with their head. Simms was already there.

Said it all last season that he should have been thriving in this system we play, but no.

The Simmps then said it didn’t matter as he occupied defenders!

 

[AJB1983]

yes Varney

Defo.
TikTok hair…..
case closed.

 

[WebbCCFC]

Goals to appearances is the norm so anything other than that is a sneaky manipulation, frankly. Why you'd penalise a striker for scoring multiple goals in a game is baffling.

Forget the specifics on individual players, what is your expectations for this unnamed striker? Specifically, a realistic goal tally. Haji is going to be the starting striker so this player will be limited to 25-30m for appearances.

How have I penalised him for scoring multiple goals in a game? I've been specific about what he offers in the games where he doesn't score, which you can't argue is a significant amount of games.

I've said what my expectations are, someone who can have an impact and can actually push to start games. You're making out that any second choice striker will be playing 20/30 mins for all 46 games. We need someone who we can trust that can give Haji (or EMC as we have the option of Haji LW) a rest every now and again when he's out of form and to actually put up a fight to try and start games

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You defending Simms and BTA is like those who were defending Collins and Wilson until we brought in a lot better. Collins won the golden glove you know.

I'm not saying Simms is shite. He just isn't what we need. For the amount of headed goals we got last season someone of his height and stature should have done much better. We had defenders running the length of the pitch to score with their head. Simms was already there.

Ok, so what are you expectations for this unnamed striker - how many goals do you expect them to get playing 2nd fiddle to Haji? From my POV, it seems that no one wants to be put a number on it because it's either an unrealistic expectation or its roughly the same as what we've got.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

How have I penalised him for scoring multiple goals in a game? I've been specific about what he offers in the games where he doesn't score, which you can't argue is a significant amount of games.

I've said what my expectations are, someone who can have an impact and can actually push to start games. You're making out that any second choice striker will be playing 20/30 mins for all 46 games. We need someone who we can trust that can give Haji (or EMC as we have the option of Haji LW) a rest every now and again when he's out of form and to actually put up a fight to try and start games

A number would suffice Webb. 5 goals? 10?

 

[WebbCCFC]

Ok, so what are you expectations for this unnamed striker - how many goals do you expect them to get playing 2nd fiddle to Haji? From my POV, it seems that no one wants to be put a number on it because it's either an unrealistic expectation or its roughly the same as what we've got.

Here's a number, at least 4 off the bench, 10 overall. Happy?

 

[TomRad85]

Ellis Simms played loads of minutes last season, started a lot of games and was certainly bought in as a starter originally? Why we pretending he just comes off the bench for a few cameos now?