The original headlease between the Owners and CCC contained a development agreement which includes a larger stadium and commercial. So nothing new there then
Because of the effect on the area. A lot of people live there. Up til now CCC only know/ knew what CRFC had planned. A second or even third adds to noise, traffic etc. nothing will or can Happen without further details. That is normal in a democracy - as you like to point out ( when it suits ).
You are dead right. Of course, money talks. The Investment would be have to be huge - digging downwards, building upwards,maybe bridging the road and all dependant on residents agreeing/ acceptong and the people you have been battling with in court for years providing better traffic links.
I really don't want to piss in anyone's chips, but if you look at that picture there is no way on this earth anyone would be allowed to build a much bigger stand there that would block out the light of the buildings behind.
This therefore just reinforces the suggestion of a sunken pitch, but we all know that would add millions to the project. Even on the drawing board I can foresee major problems.
I really hope someone can conjure up a bit of magic that would make the whole thing feasible, but transport links are going to be terrible through to anything like a 20,000+ seater stadium.
My wife quite often has to be dropped off in Queen's Road at the back of the Butts on a Saturday afternoon around 1.30 pm and the traffic getting through can be really bad. Usually tailbacks on the Radford Road through to town and then again at the Earlsdon/Tile Hill exit on the ring road, with queues into IKEA and the SkyDome.
I really think there would be massive opposition from local residents, especially around the Earlsdon area, where getting in and out on a match day could be horrific.
Think there are massive obstacles in the way and while in theory it all seems ideal, the reality of it ever happening is a lot, lot less likely.
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any decision over amending the peppercorn rent would have to be made by elected councillors in public and not behind closed doors.
It seems if we share with the rugby club we cannot get what CCFC has been saying we MUST have 100% of income from a new ground so why bother, yes I agree we get more income but will it be enough and warrant the move??????????
At the very least a deal like this may get them everything on a match day plus 50% of commercial activity at other times.Think they said 100% of Matchday income and access to other streams?
Yeah, I'm not talking about equalling that height, but any stand we build will be much taller than this for sure and therefore would block out some of the light of some of the storey-s of the buildings behind.
Agree with you about the traffic. It does need a good sort out anyway.
For a Rugby Club...not for a team that could become a Championship team within 1 season... And maybe one day a premiership team.The original headlease between the Owners and CCC contained a development agreement which includes a larger stadium and commercial. So nothing new there then
Did they mention the stadium rental? No, I thought not. So how do you know it will be better than the current arrangements?At the very least a deal like this may get them everything on a match day plus 50% of commercial activity at other times.
This is better than the the current arrangements.
25ks big enough, and even at 30k there would be people that would miss out for the odd big game, or do you think we should go bigger, perhaps 40k in the off chance we might get into the champions league.
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Isn't the first tall building on the boundary next to club a car park anyway?
It might have been mentioned before but couldnt this be another Sisu style plan to put undue pressure on Wasps to get a share or better deal at the Ricoh. Its obvious that it needs to be a two team stadium and Wasps arent exactly filling the place and have that dividend to pay back? To me its great news either way, get a better deal at the Ricoh and more revenue for TM or move away and actually have a home plus in a cracking location not on the outskirts of town.
I understand the pressure on Wasps logic, but I also don't understand what RFC would gain from it?
Currently what they've got out of it, surely, is that the city council are determined to parachute in a new rugby club and allow multi use on their stadium, but want to try and stop the traditional rugby club progressing (and potentially competing) by adding restrictions.
Managed correctly... that's got to be worth a few on the gate, hasn't it?
Well yes, there is the fact that obviously they will be limited Cov RFC (Which they have always said they wouldn't) and that also Wasps haven't fulfilled any of their promises like they said they would.
It seems a bit extreme just to get a few on the gate though!
At the very least a deal like this may get them everything on a match day plus 50% of commercial activity at other times.
This is better than the the current arrangements.
I understand the pressure on Wasps logic, but I also don't understand what RFC would gain from it? All they would be doing is lying to their fans and pissing them off, and if they had looked at the Telegraph in the last few years they would have seen how that wouldn't have worked.
Do we think Cov RFC are stupid enough to just fall for it and go along and it is just them being naive and SISU are using them?
If SISU are paying for it all and doing the work.
It wouldn't affect CRFC at all.
If it happens, it happens if it doesn't. They are as they are.
At the moment we have architect plans.
Exactly where we were with the new stadium.
Do you think 100% this is about actually producing a 25k capacity stadium there?
Wasps won't make any decisions based on how much money we can generate for them *if* we get promoted to the PL, which is still hugely unlikely even if they give us free rent and 100% match day income.For me that's exactly what it is.
Which is s Shane as it gets a loads of fans hopes up. It also shows they have learnt nothing from how negotiating tactics such as this actually pan.
Would much prefer if they did drop all legal action
Dropped this bargaining chip.
Produced a report for Wasps about their future plans for CCFC and the kind of money that would generate for Wasps as a knock on effect.
Show Wasps how these plans are not achievable in the current set up.
Show them how by adapting the agreement they will eventually earn more money.
I understand the logic too, but I can't see CRFC wanting to be complicit in using it as a bargaining chip for us to use against wasps. These must be at least semi serious discussions.I understand the pressure on Wasps logic, but I also don't understand what RFC would gain from it? All they would be doing is lying to their fans and pissing them off, and if they had looked at the Telegraph in the last few years they would have seen how that wouldn't have worked.
Do we think Cov RFC are stupid enough to just fall for it and go along and it is just them being naive and SISU are using them?
I understand the logic too, but I can't see CRFC wanting to be complicit in using it as a bargaining chip for us to use against wasps. These must be at least semi serious discussions.
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Problems happen plans never get realised
Rental? Cost of running day to day? It's not as simple as saying we'll have 100% of match day revenue and 50% of other revenue. We'll also have 100% of match day costs and 50% of all other day to day running costs. Also while limiting our ticket revenue capacity. That's also before you factor in redevelopment costs and the cost of servicing this debt.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record we need costed business plans to be able to make informed decisions as fans before backing it and jumping in two footed with our eyes closed.
You don't need 100% of what's happening at the Ricoh for it to be more than 100% of a 15k stadium with CRFC at the butts.Wasps won't make any decisions based on how much money we can generate for them *if* we get promoted to the PL, which is still hugely unlikely even if they give us free rent and 100% match day income.
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Do you think so?It would affect the relationship between the fans and CRFC wouldn't it?
Sandra Garlick and that forum were not complicit
Rugby Council were not complicit
Talks happen
Plans are made
Problems happen plans never get realised
I am struggling to see where he said he wouldn't attend, can you point that line out to me?So without a costed business plan you wouldn't attend?
Do you think so?
If CRFC makes plans with CCFC and those plans don't come to fruition for a variety of reasons?
So it's the club taking the rugby club for a ride?
You don't need 100% of what's happening at the Ricoh for it to be more than 100% of a 15k stadium with CRFC at the butts. - how do you know? Non of us know, unless you've seen the finances for both options? And I never said 100% of what was happening at the Ricoh I said match day income.
The revenue alone may not take us to the premiership but the deal may allow a sale to owners who can get us there. - but sisu don't want to sell, and again the chances are it would make it no more saleable anyway. Wasps cannot afford to give us what we need, and have saddled the Ricoh with debt (yes just like sisu and our club) which will mean no one will want to buy the ground anyway if wasps wanted to or needed to
You don't need 100% of what's happening at the Ricoh for it to be more than 100% of a 15k stadium with CRFC at the butts.
The revenue alone may not take us to the premiership but the deal may allow a sale to owners who can get us there.
Rental? Cost of running day to day? It's not as simple as saying we'll have 100% of match day revenue and 50% of other revenue. We'll also have 100% of match day costs and 50% of all other day to day running costs. Also while limiting our ticket revenue capacity. That's also before you factor in redevelopment costs and the cost of servicing this debt.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record we need costed business plans to be able to make informed decisions as fans before backing it and jumping in two footed with our eyes closed.
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