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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #141
Folks that's me done for a few days. Enjoy your Easter and lets hope the improved form for CCFC continues and carries through to 2017/18 season

Happy Easter
PUSB
 
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #142
oldskyblue58 said:
not asking him to drill down the finances. It isn't a misquote of an off the cuff interview it is a prepared statement. It isn't short hand for anything

is this bit of his statement wrong or right?

"The club does not get either matchday non-ticketing revenues or non-matchday revenues".

That is clear and unequivocable isn't it .............. it is also incorrect and misleading
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Isn't it a lie?
 
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robbiethemole

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #143
does that read our turnover was nearly £2m more than Scunny's
 

ccfc92

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #144
robbiethemole said:
does that read our turnover was nearly £2m more than Scunny's
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Not bad for a team with no ground to be fair, if true.
 
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Brylowes

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #145
chiefdave said:
Personally I just assume its used as a shorthand. He doesn't explain everything in detail at the best of times so he's not going to drill down on the finances in a statement like the one he made yesterday. If you look at what he said:

then what is the better, more accurate, term for him to use? I think we all know what he's getting at, he's been banging on about it for long enough.
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"There are None so blind as those who will not see"

Springs to mind.:emoji_eyeglasses:
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #146
Captain Dart said:
Isn't it a lie?
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Are you surprised?

Then some wonder why many want to at least wait until they see what sort of squad we have for next season before buying a ST.
 
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rupert_bear

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #147
oldskyblue58 said:
Lot of questions didn't get answered or were deflected or passed over largely because of the way a number people (quite understandably) wanted their say, rant or diatribe. It needed people to listen but in that format it was never going to happen
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Agree 100% OSB in fact I will go further and am very suspicious of some of those present who seemed to constantly shout out once a question was put to Fisher constantly letting him off the hook, plants ?? Who knows.
 
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jjglory

Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #148
Why is this such a shock? Anything Fisher says is shit. He has lost all respect snd must be the most detested person in the City.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #149
rupert_bear said:
Agree 100% OSB in fact I will go further and am very suspicious of some of those present who seemed to constantly shout out once a question was put to Fisher constantly letting him off the hook, plants ?? Who knows.
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Now there's a conspiracy and a half.

We should be suspicious of people angry at Tim Fisher and SISU?!?
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #150
Paxman II said:
Nice thought but it's an incentive for the fans to buy a ticket and maybe only pay 100. For the club its a disastrous idea...gambling on your income? It's football and by nature however they invested is always a no guarantee of success.
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No the debt isn't to be loaded onto the football club. My idea is a high risk investment opportunity. With a return after 10 months.
Based on the club getting promotion.
You invest and the club doesn't succeed you lose your money.
You succeed your profit is paid from winnings, players sales and the £50 extra season ticket holders pay.
10 people 50k each. Get a 75k return (25k profit)
So £500k onto our player budget.
£750k to be paid out on promotion.
A portion of the £500k to be held back to cover any £200's that are not forthcoming if we are 9 points off the play off come the halfway mark
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #151
dongonzalos said:
No the debt isn't to be loaded onto the football club. My idea is a high risk investment opportunity. With a return after 10 months.
Based on the club getting promotion.
You invest and the club doesn't succeed you lose your money.
You succeed your profit is paid from winnings, players sales and the £50 extra season ticket holders pay.
10 people 50k each. Get a 75k return (25k profit)
So £500k onto our player budget.
£750k to be paid out on promotion.
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What a load of tosh.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #152
dongonzalos said:
10 people 50k each. Get a 75k return (25k profit)
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I wouldn't be prepared to lose.....sorry invest even £50 in SISU getting it right at last. I would prefer to give it to charity. At least they deserve it.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #153
Deleted member 5849 said:
Now there's a conspiracy and a half.

We should be suspicious of people angry at Tim Fisher and SISU?!?
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well done NW, you're getting the hang of it!
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #154
Team ..................Turnover..... Profit/(Loss)
Bristol Rovers ....£4,740,293 .....(£751,001)
AFC Wimbledon £4,135,042..... (£86,460)

2 teams well above us, with a smaller turnover. How come?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #155
Captain Dart said:
Team ..................Turnover..... Profit/(Loss)
Bristol Rovers ....£4,740,293 .....(£751,001)
AFC Wimbledon £4,135,042..... (£86,460)

2 teams well above us, with a smaller turnover. How come?
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Better recruitment and tactics.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #156
Nick said:
Better recruitment and tactics.
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Perhaps jack would like to go through the whole balance sheet of Bristol Rovers abs highlight a few other things.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #157
Why do people not question the Sisu logic ?
He says it and a few on here run with it.

It's simple. Show us the 2 scenarios rather than just say we need to own our own stadium, full stop.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #158
Captain Dart said:
Team ..................Turnover..... Profit/(Loss)
Bristol Rovers ....£4,740,293 .....(£751,001)
AFC Wimbledon £4,135,042..... (£86,460)

2 teams well above us, with a smaller turnover. How come?
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Fan ownership will never work. It's ruthless hedge fund ownership you need if you want to get anywhere. Oh wait.

Still. It's not like another fan owned club like Portsmouth for instance is looking very likely to pass us on their way up while we're on our way down. Oh wait.

What exactly do we need SISU for again? We're already funding the club. Oh wait, someone has to fund the mistakes.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #159
italiahorse said:
Why do people not question the Sisu logic ?
He says it and a few on here run with it.

It's simple. Show us the 2 scenarios rather than just say we need to own our own stadium, full stop.
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Nothing stopping them doing that. At least not for stadium ownership or whatever the deal would be CRFC. I understand that you can't do a comparison against staying at the Ricoh at the moment but in what is it now? Five years? Since we first moved on they still can't sell present the maths to prove it's a good idea yet we're supposed to be excited at the prospect.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #160
Grendel said:
What a load of tosh.
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I actually nearly added a line when finished to say aside from Grendel predictably just saying 'rubbish' people feel free to critique the concept
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #161
dongonzalos said:
I actually nearly added a line when finished to say aside from Grendel predictably just saying 'rubbish' people feel free to critique the concept
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Well for a start transfer fees are not disclosed by both clubs so there is a beach of confidentiality issue.

Then there is the small issue season tickets for the vast majority haven't been gone up and for some have been reduced.

Then there's the small issue that I OSB and others have been saying that money with no direction or strategy is fools gold.

So yes utter tosh
 
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cloughie

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #162
hill83 said:
So. My weak points are maths and swearing.

Am I safe to assume all this bollocks proves Fisher is talking shit?
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well summed up
 
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singers_pore

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #163
Nick said:
Better recruitment and tactics.
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Plus they have chairmen/CEOs who work full time at the club to make sure it's run properly.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #164
skyblue2k said:
I remember the £75k was 10% of the profit, the rest of the profit is shared between wasps and Compass
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So you are saying that the profit for food and beverage is 750k at our games? That would mean that as the profit is a % of what is spent we all on average spend 50% of ticket cost on food each game.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2017
  • #165
Grendel said:
Well for a start transfer fees are not disclosed by both clubs so there is a beach of confidentiality issue.

Then there is the small issue season tickets for the vast majority haven't been gone up and for some have been reduced.

Then there's the small issue that I OSB and others have been saying that money with no direction or strategy is fools gold.

So yes utter tosh
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Confidentiality of transfers irrelevant

Where did I say season tickets have gone up or down

I take it you don't believe Mark Robins would know how to spend his transfer budget.

Think you are better off sticking with the one liners.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 14, 2017
  • #166
dongonzalos said:
Confidentiality of transfers irrelevant

Where did I say season tickets have gone up or down

I take it you don't believe Mark Robins would know how to spend his transfer budget.

Think you are better off sticking with the one liners.
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"The £50 extra season ticket holders pay"? What does they mean

What does that mean then?

Why is confidentiality irrelevant if part of an investment is based on transfers? Which transfers? How would you know who has been sold for what? Legally the club isn't obliged to reveal this and in confidential arrangements of undisclosed fees or won't be revealed.

We've already had two threads that illustrate expenditure isn't related to success if its miss spent. The track record of the club shows that - as does the abject failure of clubs like Orient. Who would take odds you suggest given our track record over 40 years?

What would you call this - The Deep Sea Bubble Mark 2?
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 14, 2017
  • #167
Grendel said:
"The £50 extra season ticket holders pay"? What does they mean

What does that mean then?

Why is confidentiality irrelevant if part of an investment is based on transfers? Which transfers? How would you know who has been sold for what? Legally the club isn't obliged to reveal this and in confidential arrangements of undisclosed fees or won't be revealed.

We've already had two threads that illustrate expenditure isn't related to success if its miss spent. The track record of the club shows that - as does the abject failure of clubs like Orient. Who would take odds you suggest given our track record over 40 years?

What would you call this - The Deep Sea Bubble Mark 2?
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The £50 you need to read the actual post which has the idea.

The investment is not based on transfers it is a high risk investment based on promotion.
So yes confidentiality irrelevant.

The club doesn't carry the risk the investors do. Hence the high returns.

As I say if you are not going to actually read the idea before saying.
Utter Tosh probably better you don't reply as your two explanations so far so you either haven't read or don't understand it. Wasting both our time.
 

mrtrench

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 14, 2017
  • #168
Why would anyone risk £50k with a 2-1 on return for promotion when they could put it on at Ladbrokes for 10-1 ++?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 14, 2017
  • #169
mrtrench said:
Why would anyone risk £50k with a 2-1 on return for promotion when they could put it on at Ladbrokes for 10-1 ++?
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Lol. Another Dongonzalos cunning plan.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 14, 2017
  • #170
"We are unlike most other football clubs, in that we do not benefit from non-ticketing revenue. The club does not get either matchday non-ticketing revenues or non-matchday revenues. "

So why are they advertising car parking? Is it as a simple kindness to Wasps/ACL.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 14, 2017
  • #171
Captain Dart said:
"We are unlike most other football clubs, in that we do not benefit from non-ticketing revenue. The club does not get either matchday non-ticketing revenues or non-matchday revenues. "

So why are they advertising car parking? Is it as a simple kindness to Wasps/ACL.
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You really do try to hard.

Which cars yours?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 14, 2017
  • #172
Captain Dart said:
"We are unlike most other football clubs, in that we do not benefit from non-ticketing revenue. The club does not get either matchday non-ticketing revenues or non-matchday revenues. "

So why are they advertising car parking? Is it as a simple kindness to Wasps/ACL.
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Official Twitter is "they", surely "we"?
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 14, 2017
  • #173
mrtrench said:
Why would anyone risk £50k with a 2-1 on return for promotion when they could put it on at Ladbrokes for 10-1 ++?
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Because their investment significantly increases the chances of it happening.
It would be 10-1 based on us having a top 8 budget. Their investment gives us a top2 budget.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 14, 2017
  • #174
Grendel said:
Lol. Another Dongonzalos cunning plan.
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It is let me know when you understand it. Would benice to get a reply that makes sense and shows that you do.
Actually don't bother.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 14, 2017
  • #175
dongonzalos said:
It is let me know when you understand it. Would benice to get a reply that makes sense and shows that you do.
Actually don't bother.
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No one understands it. I've read it back and still don't.

You said profits paid from players sales and £50 season ticket money. No it makes zero sense.

As Mr Trench said you would get far better odds at the bookies even if we had a top 2 budget at the start of the season you'd easily get odds of 2-1
 
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