cc84cov
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it wasn’t a racist attack the 2 lads turned up looking for trouble with a knife how can that be a racist attack ? If so isn’t that a racist attack on white people as 2 black lads with a knife looking for it ?
it wasn’t a racist attack the 2 lads turned up looking for trouble with a knife how can that be a racist attack ? If so isn’t that a racist attack on white people as 2 black lads with a knife looking for it ?If this does turn out to be a racist attack then the vast majority of our fans would be appalled and want everyone involved banned and the dealt with by the police however lets look at the two scenarios being presented.
One scenario is at a gathering of fans that wasn't pre-planned and included families, kids etc a couple of chaps turned up started having a pop at people and saying they had a knife, as multiple eye witnesses have said. Some people went to inform the police, others chased the group. The police arrived and dealt with the two chaps and a knife was recovered from the scene.
The other scenario is at the same gathering, someone persuaded two innocent chaps to turn up and start having a go at people. They arranged for some members of the crowd to go and lie to the police saying the chaps were armed. They arranged for a mob of fans (although some are claiming not actually fans but undercover police) to attack the group based on the colour of their skin, which would be unlike anything I have witnessed in 35 years of going to games. The mob were also instructed that during this racist attack they should make false claims about the chaps having knifes in case it was caught on video. They were conveniently chased to a location where a knife had been planted.
Which one seems more likely?
The thing for me is if they didn't have a knife why did the crowd keep a distance and not pile in to give them a kicking, glad i stayed away tbh, it doesn't look good however you look at it, imagine if some of the players had shown up like they tweeted.If this does turn out to be a racist attack then the vast majority of our fans would be appalled and want everyone involved banned and the dealt with by the police however lets look at the two scenarios being presented.
One scenario is at a gathering of fans that wasn't pre-planned and included families, kids etc a couple of chaps turned up started having a pop at people and saying they had a knife, as multiple eye witnesses have said. Some people went to inform the police, others chased the group. The police arrived and dealt with the two chaps and a knife was recovered from the scene.
The other scenario is at the same gathering, someone persuaded two innocent chaps to turn up and start having a go at people. They arranged for some members of the crowd to go and lie to the police saying the chaps were armed. They arranged for a mob of fans (although some are claiming not actually fans but undercover police) to attack the group based on the colour of their skin, which would be unlike anything I have witnessed in 35 years of going to games. The mob were also instructed that during this racist attack they should make false claims about the chaps having knifes in case it was caught on video. They were conveniently chased to a location where a knife had been planted.
Which one seems more likely?
But not taken details of the two supposed to have had the knives.Police say their looking to make arrests
I doubt they will even run prints on the knifeBut not taken details of the two supposed to have had the knives.
Police have just came our saying there is no evidence this was a racist attack
No formal evidence this was racial that’s off officers there and cctv footage and audio
images of people they want to speak to in twitter thread
Yes I know 2 of the lads 1 is seen throwing something on a videoI know for a fact one of the lads in the photos they've released was trying to stop the racist pulling down the BLM posters earlier in the evening.
I think they've released the picture because they've got footage of him throwing something later on. Hopefully he just gets a slap on the wrists but we know how they like to make examples of football supporters.
Yes I know 2 of the lads 1 is seen throwing something on a video
I know for a fact one of the lads in the photos they've released was trying to stop the racist pulling down the BLM posters earlier in the evening.
I think they've released the picture because they've got footage of him throwing something later on. Hopefully he just gets a slap on the wrists but we know how they like to make examples of football supporters.
Exactly in town Centre where all the Banks are ffs but you throw alcohol into the mix you can see how people lose their headssilly really. Haven't people ever heard of CCTV?!
To be fair the it looks like they have taken the images from the phone video.silly really. Haven't people ever heard of CCTV?!
Does that not strike anyone as a bit odd? Is that how the police usually work, someone is accused of a crime so they let them wander off without taking any details before looking to see if there's any evidence?But not taken details of the two supposed to have had the knives.
They'll know who they are and anyway they have been named all over the net anywayDoes that not strike anyone as a bit odd? Is that how the police usually work, someone is accused of a crime so they let them wander off without taking any details before looking to see if there's any evidence?
Does that not strike anyone as a bit odd? Is that how the police usually work, someone is accused of a crime so they let them wander off without taking any details before looking to see if there's any evidence?
Take their details in case they needed to speak to them at a later date. What happens if they decide the attack warrants further action and need statements from them?Listen to the statement - they were both searched, and one was handcuffed in the process. The police found nothing, so they let them go. What more should they have done?
We know that's balls, you can hear the language hopefully them individuals are arrested and never step foot into a cov game, I also hope if its true they had a knife they both get sentenced but knowing out police force they will sweep it under the rug.Listen to the statement - they were both searched, and one was handcuffed in the process. The police found nothing, so they let them go. What more should they have done?
Good news that there's no sign of this being a racist attack so far, although makes it even more sad and bizarre that it turned into the ugly scene that it did. Glad the police are keeping an open mind.
Yea the police are OK at a cov game a few years ago against Swindon I got pulled aside and searched because someone sia Di had a metal object they searched me and let me walk, just a pain as I was with my grandparents at the game.Does that not strike anyone as a bit odd? Is that how the police usually work, someone is accused of a crime so they let them wander off without taking any details before looking to see if there's any evidence?
We know that's balls, you can hear the language hopefully them individuals are arrested and never step foot into a cov game, I also hope if its true they had a knife they both get sentenced but knowing out police force they will sweep it under the rug.
How many weeks pocket money did you have to forfeit?Yea the police are OK at a cov game a few years ago against Swindon I got pulled aside and searched because someone sia Di had a metal object they searched me and let me walk, just a pain as I was with my grandparents at the game.
Police will have taken their details if they can afford to run prints on the knife then they will take action I don’t feel they will run the prints thoListen to the statement - they were both searched, and one was handcuffed in the process. The police found nothing, so they let them go. What more should they have done?
Good news that there's no sign of this being a racist attack so far, although makes it even more sad and bizarre that it turned into the ugly scene that it did. Glad the police are keeping an open mind.
Take their details in case they needed to speak to them at a later date. What happens if they decide the attack warrants further action and need statements from them?
God knows was in the dog house for months, made them late to there bingo sesh.How many weeks pocket money did you have to forfeit?
Very true, I clearly didn't read your post properly.There is a difference between it being a racially motivated attack and someone using racist language
Not my post guvVery true, I clearly didn't read your post properly.
Yep when I have been stopped and searched they ask for your details as part of the searchPolice will have taken their details if they can afford to run prints on the knife then they will take action I don’t feel they will run the prints tho
It is and its not what I said. I said they let them wander off without taking their details which is exactly what the West Midlands Police statement says:Either way, to suggest they just let them run along without even searching them is clearly incorrect.
It may well be the case as you say that they can track them down at a later date if needed but that's surely a poor use of police resources compared to taking their details when speaking to them.the men were given a safe passage away from the scene by officers.
They were not arrested and did not leave their details with officers at the scene
It is and its not what I said. I said they let them wander off without taking their details which is exactly what the West Midlands Police statement says:
It may well be the case as you say that they can track them down at a later date if needed but that's surely a poor use of police resources compared to taking their details when speaking to them.
Does that not strike anyone as a bit odd? Is that how the police usually work, someone is accused of a crime so they let them wander off without taking any details before looking to see if there's any evidence?
It is and its not what I said. I said they let them wander off without taking their details which is exactly what the West Midlands Police statement says:
It may well be the case as you say that they can track them down at a later date if needed but that's surely a poor use of police resources compared to taking their details when speaking to them.
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