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Grendel

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  • Jul 19, 2018
  • #141
italiahorse said:
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Yet, still no contribution from you.
Put your own thoughts out there rather than ride on the back of others.
Negative, destructive, undermining and Clueless.
Jaguars best ? LOL
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Your own contribution is merely to defend the people who pay your wages
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 19, 2018
  • #142
Grendel said:
Your own contribution is merely to defend the people who pay your wages
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Clueless as I said.
Do your research and you will see I'm nothing to do with Wasps.
.... anyway your contribution to the thread. (Clue: title at top)
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 19, 2018
  • #143
italiahorse said:
Clueless as I said.
Do your research and you will see I'm nothing to do with Wasps.
.... anyway your contribution to the thread. (Clue: title at top)
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Again what is your contribution to this thread other than misinformation misdirection and general buffoonery?
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 19, 2018
  • #144
Grendel said:
Again what is your contribution to this thread other than misinformation misdirection and general buffoonery?
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Nick queried low rent remark mentioned earlier and all I did was ask if he had the figures as I had not seen them.
It was like lighting the blue touch paper for him and he started pages of inflammatory rhetoric.
The thread spiralled out of control and just when we thought we had hit a new low point in conversations ...............you came a long
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 19, 2018
  • #145
italiahorse said:
Nick queried low rent remark mentioned earlier and all I did was ask if he had the figures as I had not seen them.
It was like lighting the blue touch paper for him and he started pages of inflammatory rhetoric.
The thread spiralled out of control and just when we thought we had hit a new low point in conversations ...............you came a long
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Again what’s your contribution. An independent observer would say ccfc fans despise wasps as they are unethical and a threat. They’d draw this conclusion.

They’d see one person frantically defending them and saying no one else is making a contribution

Then they’d research and see this one person is getting an income from wasps and then realise why the poster is the odd one out.

That’s the conclusion if you are independent isn’t it?
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 19, 2018
  • #146
Grendel said:
Again what’s your contribution. An independent observer would say ccfc fans despise wasps as they are unethical and a threat. They’d draw this conclusion.

They’d see one person frantically defending them and saying no one else is making a contribution

Then they’d research and see this one person is getting an income from wasps and then realise why the poster is the odd one out.

That’s the conclusion if you are independent isn’t it?
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Another independent observer would say that financially CCFC has become a basket case.
They would see that they can't afford a stadium and need to rent as the prized asset was squandered years ago.
They would see from historical data that the Ricoh is unaffordable too them and they would see that someone else has taken a risk on it.
They would suggest that both need each other to survive and that with the right relationship between them they could come up with a deal that means mutual survival.
They would appreciate that a few fans can see this whilst other fans would sooner both fail than see Wasps survive.

They would be clever enough to know that business people can make money as well as make a reasoned judgement on the situation and that its not an either/or.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 19, 2018
  • #147
italiahorse said:
Nick queried low rent remark mentioned earlier and all I did was ask if he had the figures as I had not seen them.
It was like lighting the blue touch paper for him and he started pages of inflammatory rhetoric.
The thread spiralled out of control and just when we thought we had hit a new low point in conversations ...............you came a long
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I question when people try to make out we only pay a low rent and wasps are doing us a favour. Note the word only.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 19, 2018
  • #148
Nick said:
I question when people try to make out we only pay a low rent and wasps are doing us a favour. Note the word only.
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Okay I understand where you are coming from, but how do you know we are paying above/below the average rent without knowing the figures?
He (we) could be right.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 19, 2018
  • #149
Can someone tell me where the thread about the game against Bristol Rovers is please?
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 19, 2018
  • #150
italiahorse said:
Another independent observer would say that financially CCFC has become a basket case.
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They would say the same of pretty much every football club, actually make that every club of every sport.
italiahorse said:
They would see that they can't afford a stadium and need to rent as the prized asset was squandered years ago.
They would see from historical data that the Ricoh is unaffordable too them and they would see that someone else has taken a risk on it.
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You're quick to demand proof from others but continually drag out this theory that is based on nothing other than something you've come up with in your head.

Funnily enough you always seem to ignore the fact that SISU had lined up the world's second largest presenter of music and entertainment events (who coincidentally are also world's largest owner of sports teams and sports events which I'm sure would have come in to play down the line) to run the Ricoh. But clearly they wouldn't have been able to do as good a job as Wasps.
 
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italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #151
chiefdave said:
They would say the same of pretty much every football club, actually make that every club of every sport.

You're quick to demand proof from others but continually drag out this theory that is based on nothing other than something you've come up with in your head.

Funnily enough you always seem to ignore the fact that SISU had lined up the world's second largest presenter of music and entertainment events (who coincidentally are also world's largest owner of sports teams and sports events which I'm sure would have come in to play down the line) to run the Ricoh. But clearly they wouldn't have been able to do as good a job as Wasps.
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Read the JR1 document if you want to see the lame attempt at purchasing it. Also read in that JR2 is an attempt to.carry on where they left off.
The previous management lost the ownership and then gave away the 50% of ACL and Sisu took on exactly where they left off. But that's where we are.

Music presenter ? Yes I saw that but again talking and doing are two different things. They convinced you but not me.

No Wasps are going nowhere, we need to piggy back along with them certainly for our survival but just maybe for their survival as well.
We need to build bridges, get a long term deal, buy into income streams when we can and establish a belonging at the stadium.
We need to get past the fact that we rent off someone. We always have here, always will (even under Sisu) and as stated in the JR the stadium rental was the least of our financial worries.
But nothing long term will happen while the court cases are ongoing and almost perhaps while Sisu are still here getting us to break even..
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #152
Funny how the bit in JR1 when the Judge said it was clear that CCC and Higgs had no desire to do a deal with the club gets ignored.

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #153
italiahorse said:
Read the JR1 document if you want to see the lame attempt at purchasing it.
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What are you babbling on about now? For some reason, based on zero evidence, you have decided CCFC are the only club in the country incapable of coping with stadium ownership.

Now you're banging on about the purchase price of a deal that didn't happen!
italiahorse said:
Music presenter ? Yes I saw that but again talking and doing are two different things. They convinced you but not me.
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So you're not convinced they could run the Ricoh, and Wasps were the better option being such experts at stadium management.

Lets compare, one came from renting a stadium in London with no stadium management experience.

The other owns venues such as London O2 Arena (the worlds most successful arena), Las Vegas T-Mobile Arena, Los Angeles Staples Center.
They are the management company for the likes of Wembley Arena, Glasgow Hydro, Las Vegas Caesars Palace, New York, Barclays Center, Stockholm Globe
Own or operate 20 out of the top 100 venues in the world.
Entertainment districts in London, LA, Nashville, Berlin.
One of the largest music companies in the world producing over 40 music festivals and own or operate over 80 music venues running 10,000 shows a year. Also promote thousands of tours which they place, naturally, in venues they own or operate.
Own the AXS ticketing platform.
Own teams in the NBA, NHL and MLS among others.

Can definitely see why they wouldn't be able to cope with the Ricoh.
 

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #154
At this point is there genuinely any benefit to having Italia Horse on this site? We all know what we're only ever going to hear from him when the word Wasps is used and it just turns countless semi-decent threads into a bullshit monologue that only angers people. People could ignore it, but people are always going to react, can't think of a single benefit of having him on here.
 
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Terry_dactyl

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  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #155
I have to say, it’s a very odd stance for someone purporting to be a coventry City fan to take.
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #156
It would piss me off even if he ever contributed anything else but it's just like having a franchise PR bot on here.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #157
GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
At this point is there genuinely any benefit to having Italia Horse on this site? We all know what we're only ever going to hear from him when the word Wasps is used and it just turns countless semi-decent threads into a bullshit monologue that only angers people. People could ignore it, but people are always going to react, can't think of a single benefit of having him on here.
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Amusement? Of the Victorian freak show kind?
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #158
Astute said:
Can someone tell me where the thread about the game against Bristol Rovers is please?
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Lost inside somewhere
 
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italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #159
GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
At this point is there genuinely any benefit to having Italia Horse on this site? We all know what we're only ever going to hear from him when the word Wasps is used and it just turns countless semi-decent threads into a bullshit monologue that only angers people. People could ignore it, but people are always going to react, can't think of a single benefit of having him on here.
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Freedom of speech ?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #160
italiahorse said:
Freedom of speech ?
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Again, standard Wasps muppet line when they tried to sign up. How predictable to try and pull that act.

It doesn't work like that anyway. What next, asking where in the rules it says you can't do Wasps PR?

Maybe just exercise your Freedom of Speech about Wasps on the Wasps site.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #161
Terry_dactyl said:
I have to say, it’s a very odd stance for someone purporting to be a coventry City fan to take.
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I’m trying to reconcile all parties.
It appears a lot on here want rid of Wasps and then see what happens next.
I’m consistent on here. Both parties need to work together, we need a long term deal and we need to buy into income streams when we can.

What do Sisu want? What’s the way forward ?
................... anybody ?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #162
italiahorse said:
I’m trying to reconcile all parties.
It appears a lot on here want rid of Wasps and then see what happens next.
I’m consistent on here. Both parties need to work together, we need a long term deal and we need to buy into income streams when we can.

What do Sisu want? What’s the way forward ?
................... anybody ?
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What are you on about now? You are trying to reconcile all parties by trying to use a CCFC forum to push Wasps nonsense and get your pants pulled down every time you attempt it? Are you actually being serious, you see yourself as a Wasps missionary to make CCFC fans like them and stop saying things about them.

That's some weird logic.

Maybe reverse that and go over to the Wasps forum and just post about CCFC on there constantly and see how far your freedom of speech gets you.
 
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italiahorse

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  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #163
Nick said:
Again, standard Wasps muppet line when they tried to sign up. How predictable to try and pull that act.

It doesn't work like that anyway. What next, asking where in the rules it says you can't do Wasps PR?

Maybe just exercise your Freedom of Speech about Wasps on the Wasps site.
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I know all you do is a lot of moaning .
But what do you want to happen regards the future of our club?
 
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Monners

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  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #164
What's happening with the Bristol Rovers game?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #165
italiahorse said:
I know all you do is a lot of moaning .
But what do you want to happen regards the future of our club.
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What has that got to do with what was said? You have morphed into Sky Blue Kid.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #166
Monners said:
What's happening with the Bristol Rovers game?
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Moved M8
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #167
Nick said:
What are you on about now? You are trying to reconcile all parties by trying to use a CCFC forum to push Wasps nonsense and get your pants pulled down every time you attempt it? Are you actually being serious, you see yourself as a Wasps missionary to make CCFC fans like them and stop saying things about them.

That's some weird logic.

Maybe reverse that and go over to the Wasps forum and just post about CCFC on there constantly and see how far your freedom of speech gets you.
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Here you go again, playing God.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #168
Nick said:
What has that got to do with what was said? You have morphed into Sky Blue Kid.
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I’ve lost track.
But I guess I posted a reason why Wasps moved the game and you said don’t mention Wasps on here.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #169
italiahorse said:
Here you go again, playing God.
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It's hardly god to click ban / moderate for somebody who just wants to come on to push Wasps stuff is it?

You can't even string an actual point / discussion / argument without then backtracking and move the goalposts.

If you don't like it, just use the Wasps site instead as they would love the crap you post on there. If you want to continue posting on here, you had better get stuck in to some CCFC discussions.

Really is as simple as that.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #170
italiahorse said:
Another independent observer would say that financially CCFC has become a basket case.
They would see that they can't afford a stadium and need to rent as the prized asset was squandered years ago.
They would see from historical data that the Ricoh is unaffordable too them and they would see that someone else has taken a risk on it.
They would suggest that both need each other to survive and that with the right relationship between them they could come up with a deal that means mutual survival.
They would appreciate that a few fans can see this whilst other fans would sooner both fail than see Wasps survive.

They would be clever enough to know that business people can make money as well as make a reasoned judgement on the situation and that its not an either/or.
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Whilst I feel at some times you get unfair stick for just voicing your opinion... the sticking point I feel here is that we need each other to survive.

I disagree, as long as we keep bouncing about at break even, we can wait until wasps go pop we don’t need them, they need the good will of the city to keep themselves going. If they kick the football club out the tide will turn.

They don’t need us there true... but we don’t need them, as I’ve said the sooner they go bust the better... we need the Ricoh in play in order for us to get a takeover and a better future.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #171
italiahorse said:
I’ve lost track.
But I guess I posted a reason why Wasps moved the game and you said don’t mention Wasps on here.
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I am starting to think you really just don't understand so will try to explain it simply.

This is a CCFC site for discussion primarily about CCFC. You can't just use it to push crap about Wasps that you seemingly can't even debate without moving the goalposts. You have openly said you have no interest in discussing CCFC topics. Whilst you do that you are nothing more than a poor attempt at a Wasps PR Rep / Wasps fan with no interest in CCFC, the same ones who were banned instantly when they tried to sign up.

Lots of people mention Wasps, however everybody else doesn't openly say they don't want to discuss CCFC.

I have tried to make it simple, I have tried to send you a warning / request to cut it out, I have tried to explain that if you want to voice your opinions on Wasps it's fine if you actually bothered to discuss CCFC.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #172
Dangerous to stop people voicing their opinions, however moronic they may be.

There'd be nobody left on the site if we banned all stupid opinions.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #173
Deleted member 5849 said:
Dangerous to stop people voicing their opuinions, however moronic they may be.

There'd be nobody left on the site if we banned all stupid opinions.
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I’d still be here
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #174
Can’t you just make any time wasps are mentioned it reverts to “cunts”
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 20, 2018
  • #175
Deleted member 5849 said:
Dangerous to stop people voicing their opuinions, however moronic they may be.

There'd be nobody left on the site if we banned all stupid opinions.
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It isn't when they have no interest in CCFC. As I have said to him multiple times it's fine if he was actually bothered about discussing CCFC, he isn't interested.

People can have all the stupid opinions in the world as long as they are actually bothered about talking about CCFC rather than just trying to push awful attempts at Propaganda and making themselves look silly in every thread they try it in.
 
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