shmmeee
Well-Known Member
This I’d agree with. Wages need to rise and conditions need to improve in a lot of these jobs.
Of course it isn't saying everybody has to go and kill animals or lose their benefits. It isn't specific to that one exact job.
However, if nobody wants to go and do the job and Brexit has stopped people from the EU coming to do it then why aren't locals wanting to do it?
Wage
Conditions
etc etc etc
The same goes for any undesirable job.
This doesn't seem to happen through. In my industry for over 10 years now all I've heard is there is a shortage of qualified staff yet wages and working conditions are getting worse.This I’d agree with. Wages need to rise and conditions need to improve in a lot of these jobs.
There probably is, you are right. I'd be choosing to do other things.
If it was working in an abattoir or not work at all I'd choose the work.
Do they teach people from the EU butchering as standard at high school then?
What is it? Is it Brexit or is it that people just don't want to do those jobs?
If it's Brexit, how do all of the people from the EU get trained, licensed to come and butcher in the UK?
Of course it isn't saying everybody has to go and kill animals or lose their benefits. It isn't specific to that one exact job.
However, if nobody wants to go and do the job and Brexit has stopped people from the EU coming to do it then why aren't locals wanting to do it?
Wage
Conditions
etc etc etc
The same goes for any undesirable job.
This doesn't seem to happen through. In my industry for over 10 years now all I've heard is there is a shortage of qualified staff yet wages and working conditions are getting worse.
You'd hope that a result of Brexit would be those working in terrible conditions on very low wages would see an improvement but there doesn't really seem to be a plan of action.
I am glad I voted leave to be fair.
I'm glad I voted remain.
The top five tech companies on their own avoided an estimated £1.3 billion in tax in 2018. Some of who fortunes have improved specifically from the pandemic. Close the loopholes to just them 5 companies and cancel the NI 10% hike.I wish people like you got as angry about tax evasion as you do about people on benefits. It's almost as if you're being whipped up into a state of anger by the media, ironic.
That's where you're wrong, the plan is to make Brexit as hard as possible that the public just get to the point where we say fuck it and call for a return to the EU. Government/Big business had 4 years of planning to get to this point. could have had an increase in wages, Improve working conditions, put workers through necessary training. etc. Instead they just sat around whinging about the stupid, fat, lazy, gammony, nazi's that voted leave.
The top five tech companies on their own avoided an estimated £1.3 billion in tax in 2018. Some of who fortunes have improved specifically from the pandemic. Close the loopholes to just them 5 companies and cancel the NI 10% hike.
Also worth pointing out that the UK through it’s overseas territories is the biggest enabler of tax avoidance in the world. We don’t just have it within our gift to help stop tax avoidance in the UK we have the option to close loopholes to the world.
Just put that in the edit. 75000 people using it to avoid paying £2Bn in tax while the plebs are having a NI hike.Non dom press barons pay fuck all and try and shine the light elsewhere.
That's where you're wrong, the plan is to make Brexit as hard as possible that the public just get to the point where we say fuck it and call for a return to the EU. Government/Big business had 4 years of planning to get to this point. could have had an increase in wages, Improve working conditions, put workers through necessary training. etc. Instead they just sat around whinging about the stupid, fat, lazy, gammony, nazi's that voted leave.
That's where you're wrong, the plan is to make Brexit as hard as possible that the public just get to the point where we say fuck it and call for a return to the EU. Government/Big business had 4 years of planning to get to this point. could have had an increase in wages, Improve working conditions, put workers through necessary training. etc. Instead they just sat around whinging about the stupid, fat, lazy, gammony, nazi's that voted leave.
What makes you think the tories would do anything to increase wages for the working man regardless of whether we're in the EU or not?
Simple fact is, companies aren't willing to pay staff what they're worth, if you can't attract people to work for you, because of shit conditions and low pay, you have no one else to blame but yourself. Truckers aren't minimum wage workers, so any increase in NMW wouldn't effect them, doesn't mean they're not criminally underpaid for long unsociable hours in terrible conditions.
It's because the UK leaves absolutely everything to the market, now it finds that the market works both waysBut the tories have been in office for years, why haven't they done anything about it?
I agree about truckers and I'm glad their wages are going up but it's not just about money.
Apparently over night facilities for UK truckers are the worse in Western Europe.
I thought so too but now you’ve said it it’s feels like a dead cert we’ll rejoin.Well we will never return to the EU so people really need to move on from that
But the tories have been in office for years, why haven't they done anything about it?
I agree about truckers and I'm glad their wages are going up but it's not just about money.
Apparently over night facilities for UK truckers are the worse in Western Europe.
It's not down to the Government to set the wages of individual firms? If you're offering poor conditions and poor pay to cut chickens up for a living, is it any wonder nobody wants to work for them, isn't that why track workers at JLR earn so much, they need to pay it as it's mind numbing work in poor conditions.
My old man is a tanker driver, so I'm more then aware of the issues they face.
The government can increase the minimum wage, they can put improvements in working conditions into law.
They've had long enough, the notion the tories give a fuck about the average working man is laughable.
It's not down to the Government to set the wages of individual firms? If you're offering poor conditions and poor pay to cut chickens up for a living, is it any wonder nobody wants to work for them, isn't that why track workers at JLR earn so much, they need to pay it as it's mind numbing work in poor conditions.
My old man is a tanker driver, so I'm more then aware of the issues they face.
The government can increase the minimum wage, they can put improvements in working conditions into law.
They've had long enough, the notion the tories give a fuck about the average working man is laughable.
Well Eu membership has allowed the rich markets to exploit the poor and suppress wages for poor earners has it not?
Who thinks any politician gives a fuck about the average man in the street? Where's the other options? Labour? Labour have been embarrassing themselves for the best part of a decade. Non of the other contenders are even worth mentioning.
definitely, I've never said anything else, it was still the lesser of two evils. Far less as it's turning out with the current, clowns.
So you are happy if the U.K. Germany and France in particular benefit for treating Johnny Foreigner like filth - wow
While we're all relishing the uplift in wages , consumption will increase if you can get hold of it, property is through the roof, I'm not sure where it will go in a couple of years,depends if the Monetarist philosophy rears its head.
Financial wizards have lamented negative/flat interest rates , I think that will be rectified but I'd rather taxes take care of dampening things down than interest rates..
It is quite surreal watching/hearing ministers lauding these runaway increases that if a union attempted to garner these rises would be laughed out of town .
I actually think wages will start to rise and ironically that’s the one thing that will finish the government
Quite likely Grendel.I actually think wages will start to rise and ironically that’s the one thing that will finish the government
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