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[TomRad85]

Yes, you’re right. Apologies.

but, he turned Lati and only had to bend it round Rushworth to score. Our other defenders were not between him and the goal when he shot.

do you think they had really good chances to score another couple of goals?

No not really, as i've been saying over and over

 

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[robbiethemole]

Yes, you’re right. Apologies.

but, he turned Lati and only had to bend it round Rushworth to score. Our other defenders were not between him and the goal when he shot.

do you think they had really good chances to score another couple of goals?

WHO fucking cares??? you're a long time resident on here, but fuck me mate, you act like a 12 year old kid over this.

 

[TomRad85]

this is the level of discussion you drop down to FFS? When you resort to this, it throws any credibility you may have out the window.

You put a poo emoji on my post, your high ground disappeared at that point. I've simply been putting the facts down to you and have taken the time to look through the chances you describe as clear cut. They aren't and most people don't agree with you. That's the end of it really, not sure why you can't just enjoy a good win.

 

[Shannerz]

It is just semantics but I think most people when they hear ‘through on goal’ think being sent through one v one against the keeper. Even discounting that though, I can’t remember a clear cut chance for them apart from the goal.

Certainly nothing comparable to Tommy Conway’s chance in the reverse fixture.

No, nothing clear cut, but a couple they could have made more of.

They obviously had the shot off the post, and there was one quite late on where it seemed to open up on the edge of the box for one of their forwards, but he hit it straight at Rushworth.

Based on chances / half chances across the game, the score seems about right.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Whittaker had a header right after the start of the 2nd half that he should have buried. If Haji missed that we would be saying he missed a ‘sitter’

78th minute, Ayling shot straight at rushworth where it was easier to score. Another where if it was Haji, we’d be saying it was a sitter.

McGree 85th minute, good chance, not a sitter

88th minute, Sene, absolute sitter missed 2yds from goal, although It would have been offside.

so, 3 good chances to score, all of which we would have labelled as sitters if it was our strikers missed them.

@fernandopartridge you should take more water with it mate

xG for the Header 0.04
xG for 78th minute chance (Strelec) 0.06
xG for 85th minute chance for McGree 0.05

We had eight efforts with a higher xG than the excluding the penalty

 

[olderskyblue]

why the fuck are you doing this??? WE WON enjoy the feeling ffs!!!

Why one earth do you think I didnt enjoy the feeling??

you can do that and still analyse the game.

 

[CovveeBreak]

This whole “clean through” conversation reminds me of the old “club legend” definition of yonder year. Good times

 

[olderskyblue]

xG for the Header 0.04
xG for 78th minute chance (Strelec) 0.06
xG for 85th minute chance for McGree 0.05

We had eight efforts with a higher xG than the excluding the penalty

I’ve never bothered to try and understand what xG is or means tbh, I’m not sure how it affects the game I watched, but I have seen comments on here talk about how chances they’ve seen could have such a low/high xG?

however, I didn’t mention the chances we had as I was commenting on how good a team I thought they looked, and how we upped our game to beat them, and need to keep at that level for the rest of the season.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’ve never bothered to try and understand what xG is or means tbh, I’m not sure how it affects the game I watched, but I have seen comments on here talk about how chances they’ve seen could have such a low/high xG?

however, I didn’t mention the chances we had as I was commenting on how good a team I thought they looked, and how we upped our game to beat them, and need to keep at that level for the rest of the season.

The numbers are the probability of that goal being scored from that same position based on all the other times someone has been in that position.

 

[olderskyblue]

The numbers are the probability of that goal being scored from that same position based on all the other times someone has been in that position.

Who decides that, the same people who decide on VAR decisions.
but thanks for the explanation. So it has nothing to do with the ability of the person, or wither it is an attacker or defender in that position?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Who decides that, the same people who decide on VAR decisions.
but thanks for the explanation. So it has nothing to do with the ability of the person, or wither it is an attacker or defender in that position?

Well you just gather a whole load of data from all the times someone has been in that position.

For reference, the xG of a penalty is 0.76, which means on average you expect it to be scored about 76% of the time.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Well you just gather a whole load of data from all the times someone has been in that position.

For reference, the xG of a penalty is 0.76, which means on average you expect it to be scored about 76% of the time.

It’s gone down in the last two seasons too

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s gone down in the last two seasons too

Bit surprised by that, I've generally been very impressed in recent years by the standard in penalty taking in various shootouts. Just goes to show how skilled Mr Wright is at taking them, must be on 90%+ for them here.

 

[alexccfc99]

Having a flick through the opposition forums post-game as I usually do to gage the reaction of the opposition post match

If this place is gloom and doom after we lose a game the Boro forums are the complete antithesis

Amongst the usual “Cov are nothing special” and “The media will be loving the potential for a Lampard love in” is some real copium, some of it hilarious

Usually found the Boro lot quite a grounded bunch but can’t help but think this run has got to their heads a little bit, like it did with us in a way between August and November

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Having a flick through the opposition forums post-game as I usually do to gage the reaction of the opposition post match

If this place is gloom and doom after we lose a game the Boro forums are the complete antithesis

Amongst the usual “Cov are nothing special” and “The media will be loving the potential for a Lampard love in” is some real copium, some of it hilarious

Usually found the Boro lot quite a grounded bunch but can’t help but think this run has got to their heads a little bit, like it did with us in a way between August and November

Well you can understand why, and we'd be the same. Win 6 games in a row playing good football and overturning a huge lead to go top, expect they'll be back on top within 2 games anyway.

That said...as much credit as I give them for that run, we had to enter relegation form for over a dozen games to give them the opportunity.

 

[Hobo]

Excellent midfield but not much elsewhere. Their forward line isn't great.

Also been reading how this Hellberg and his coaches are far superior to our lot. No they aren't. They are just blessed with that excellent midfield.

The forward line is dangerous, especially Whittaker. Connelly can get in great positions but perhaps only scores one in four chances.

If you are judging them on last night alone you are a fool. Also you are missing the point of what a good job we did on them. You might be having a wank over their midfield but we disrupted it. Which is why their forwards looked toothless.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

The forward line is dangerous, especially Whittaker. Connelly can get in great positions but perhaps only scores one in four chances.

If you are judging them on last night alone you are a fool. Also you are missing the point of what a good job we did on them. You might be having a wank over their midfield but we disrupted it. Which is why their forwards looked toothless.

who is connelly

 

[Jamesimus]

who is connelly

I imagine he means Conway

 

[Skybluefaz]

Well you just gather a whole load of data from all the times someone has been in that position.

For reference, the xG of a penalty is 0.76, which means on average you expect it to be scored about 76% of the time.

Once a teacher...

 

[Jamesimus]

Having a flick through the opposition forums post-game as I usually do to gage the reaction of the opposition post match

If this place is gloom and doom after we lose a game the Boro forums are the complete antithesis

Amongst the usual “Cov are nothing special” and “The media will be loving the potential for a Lampard love in” is some real copium, some of it hilarious

Usually found the Boro lot quite a grounded bunch but can’t help but think this run has got to their heads a little bit, like it did with us in a way between August and November

It’s to be expected, with the appointment of Hellberg and their uptick in form, they’re bound to think this could finally be their year and it still could be.

 

[Skybluefaz]

According to Sky Sports stats.

We had 3 clear chances, they had 0.

 

[Ipad Boro]

Having a flick through the opposition forums post-game as I usually do to gage the reaction of the opposition post match

If this place is gloom and doom after we lose a game the Boro forums are the complete antithesis

Amongst the usual “Cov are nothing special” and “The media will be loving the potential for a Lampard love in” is some real copium, some of it hilarious

Usually found the Boro lot quite a grounded bunch but can’t help but think this run has got to their heads a little bit, like it did with us in a way between August and November

Normally there's a mix on there. There's the doom amd gloom bedwetters, the ridiculously carried away, but the overwhelming majority are in between as you'd imagine.

Deep down, the mentality of the nearest to average Boro fan is fearing the worst, but when form is better than it has been for a decade or so, a lot make the most of it because they don't know when they'll get the chance to again.

 

[Jamesimus]

Normally there's a mix on there. There's the doom amd gloom bedwetters, the ridiculously carried away, but the overwhelming majority are in between as you'd imagine.

Deep down, the mentality of the nearest to average Boro fan is fearing the worst, but when form is better than it has been for a decade or so, a lot make the most of it because they don't know when they'll get the chance to again.

Most of you that I know up here are your traditional perennially miserable football fan, and that’s a trait I am familiar with.

 

[edgy]

The forward line is dangerous, especially Whittaker. Connelly can get in great positions but perhaps only scores one in four chances.

If you are judging them on last night alone you are a fool. Also you are missing the point of what a good job we did on them. You might be having a wank over their midfield but we disrupted it. Which is why their forwards looked toothless.

Don't agree sorry. Conway is bang average. Whittaker whilst ok, fairly quick is weak and generally wasteful. No just based on last night. Ask any Boro fan and their forward line is their weakness.

This is an oddly aggressive post by the way. Relax.

 

[Jamesimus]

According to Sky Sports stats.

We had 3 clear chances, they had 0.

That is because we were the better team. They got bullied 1st half, we sat in and let them have the ball 2nd half and waited to counter.

 

[Jamesimus]

Don't agree sorry. Conway is bang average. Whittaker whilst ok, fairly quick is weak and generally wasteful. No just based on last night. Ask any Boro fan and their forward line is their weakness.

This is an oddly aggressive post by the way. Relax.

Most Boro fans reckon they are desperate for a proper number 9.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Most Boro fans reckon they are desperate for a proper number 9.

i’m sure there’s one guy on here who will tell you

 

[Hobo]

who is connelly

Sorry brain fart Conway… but I know you know who I mean. Just wait until you get to my age and have so many players names swimming in your head

 

[shmmeee]

He won't get a full season with pre-season etc until next one obviously, whatever league we're in. I take your point about judging him over a full season mind as Carrick was brilliant for us for half a season (though in his defence he did have the mother of injury lists for a few years) and he was the ultimate example of a manager who is too inflexible.

You're right about the physicality element, unfortunately whilst we're very skillful, we don't have many big lads, so I imagine given a pre-season, he'd recruit a few "Tony Pulis" type players to bring on should we need them against the sides who like to mix it up a bit. I do fear it's a side of our game that's lacking and it's a learning curve after all. In a way with our current players unfortunately we don't have sufficient personel to be able to muscle and ram our way through games so there was less Hellberg could do, other than change shape and make subs with different skillsets which tbf to him did show, up until the penalty. It's not that Hellberg doesn't have a Plan B, he's highly reactive, but the players we need in a blood and thunder barging off the ball game are limited and it's blatent we're lacking height for the long balls game. You could logically level some blame at recruitment there, but less at Kim himself.

As for expecting to win most games, that's simply where the bar has been set. We're creatures of habit, expect to win where results thus far dictate we're likely to, expect to lose the Hoodoos as obviously those results dictate the opposite.

As for Hoodoos not being an actual thing...How else would you explain 7 losses on the bounce home and away with different mangers, different form, different players and different league standings at the time? Coincidence only goes so far until it's improbable. How else would you explain your never having won at Deepdale or 20 years of hurt against Norwich? It's why I've been saying for ages on here that we were likely to lose this game, though it was seen as ridiculous by a lot.

I get that they might be part mental blocks etc, as they do weigh on the mind somewhat. But they exist mate, and the proof is right in front of you. Denying their existence only risks more pain in the long run. And if the miracle happens and they eventually get broken it's like winning a cup.

Do you believe in ghosts?

 

[Hobo]

Don't agree sorry. Conway is bang average. Whittaker whilst ok, fairly quick is weak and generally wasteful. No just based on last night. Ask any Boro fan and their forward line is their weakness.

This is an oddly aggressive post by the way. Relax.

Conway offers a lot of energy and gives a lot of defensive cover. So these things come with a trade off.

Ask Boro fans and their forward line is their weakest? Ask Cov fans and Wright, Simms and BTA are shit. Alot would have sold them in the summer or even this January: But 33 goals between them.

Please don’t ask me to ask fans for an opinion

 

[fernandopartridge]

I imagine he means Conway

No he knocked that didlio out in the first round