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clint van damme

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #141
Grendel said:
Well they can if tax is lowered
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That laffer curve bollocks has long being discredited, and given who some its main cheerleaders have been, no wonder
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #142
JAM See said:
I was thinking more of compulsory voting per se. As in general elections. As I said previously, I'm a fan of it.

P.S.

Don't bother rising to @Grendel and his bollocks.

I'm only interested in informed opinions.

(watch @Grendel bite)
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In general elections I'm unsure. G's been OK tonight though I disagree strongly with his wage rise arguments
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #143
clint van damme said:
That laffer curve bollocks has long being discredited, and given who some its main cheerleaders have been, no wonder
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Shall we increase taxes then perhaps? I’m sure only applies to certain sectors of society
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #144
Brighton Sky Blue said:
In general elections I'm unsure. G's been OK tonight though I disagree strongly with his wage rise arguments
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Why on earth would you enforce votes - it’s the stuff of North Korea and Putin led Russia
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #145
Grendel said:
Shall we increase taxes then perhaps? I’m sure only applies to certain sectors of society
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Well we increase wages and only apply it to certain sections of society.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #146
Grendel said:
Shall we increase taxes then perhaps?
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It does of course depend which taxes and by how much. The Conservatives and to a much greater extent their Republican counterparts have tended to raise taxes on lower earners and offer giveaways to higher ones and big business. The US in particular has seen an obscene transfer of wealth in that direction
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #147
Grendel said:
Its not the point - wages keeping up with inflation perpetuates inflation which leads to bankruptcy widespread job losses interest rate hikes and crashing property values
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So your answer for economic success is to lower living standards in perpetuity?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #148
Grendel said:
Why on earth would you enforce votes - it’s the stuff of North Korea and Putin led Russia
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...and Australia
 
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JAM See

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #149
Brighton Sky Blue said:
In general elections I'm unsure. G's been OK tonight though I disagree strongly with his wage rise arguments
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It's a bit like vaccinations to me.

Everybody should vote/get vaxxed, it's for the greater good.

I admit, that's a bit of a stretch ideologically, but that's what I believe.

If you want the benefits of society, then you fucking vote for or against the incumbent party. Doesn't matter which way, but you fucking vote.
That's the social contract.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #150
JAM See said:
It's a bit like vaccinations to me.

Everybody should vote/get vaxxed, it's for the greater good.

I admit, that's a bit of a stretch ideologically, but that's what I believe.

If you want the benefits of society, then you fucking vote for or against the incumbent party. Doesn't matter which way, but you fucking vote.
That's the social contract.
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I always took abiding by the laws of the country as the social contract. On voting which isn't really related to the thread, I don't think it should be compulsory but that politicians need to engage a lot more with the 30-35% of the electorate that doesn't turn up even in a GE
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #151
Brighton Sky Blue said:
...and Australia
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Yes I know but you have to have the ability to spoil the ballot and frankly Australia isn’t a great example of democracy - people can’t be dragged to a ballot box - I’ve hardly ever voted in most local elections and if I had to I’d vote for Tarquin Biscuit Barrell
 

JAM See

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #152
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I always took abiding by the laws of the country as the social contract. On voting which isn't really related to the thread, I don't think it should be compulsory but that politicians need to engage a lot more with the 30-35% of the electorate that doesn't turn up even in a GE
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I love it when a thread goes west.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #153
Grendel said:
Yes I know but you have to have the ability to spoil the ballot and frankly Australia isn’t a great example of democracy - people can’t be dragged to a ballot box - I’ve hardly ever voted in most local elections and if I had to I’d vote for Tarquin Biscuit Barrell
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Ironically Russia doesn't have compulsory voting. The fine in Australia for not doing it is pretty nominal anyway
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #154
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Ironically Russia doesn't have compulsory voting. The fine in Australia for not doing it is pretty nominal anyway
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Its an argument used as an assumption is most would vote left. I doubt it and anyway you have to be allowed to spoil your paper. Never happening and pointless anyway
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #155
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I always took abiding by the laws of the country as the social contract. On voting which isn't really related to the thread, I don't think it should be compulsory but that politicians need to engage a lot more with the 30-35% of the electorate that doesn't turn up even in a GE
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They did that in 2016-19 and it was battle of the mentals. There’s no evidence non voters are a special breed, leave ‘em to it if they can’t be arsed.
 

JAM See

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #156
shmmeee said:
They did that in 2016-19 and it was battle of the mentals. There’s no evidence non voters are a special breed, leave ‘em to it if they can’t be arsed.
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So, fuck the disenfranchised. Is that what you're saying?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #157
shmmeee said:
They did that in 2016-19 and it was battle of the mentals. There’s no evidence non voters are a special breed, leave ‘em to it if they can’t be arsed.
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Not saying force them to participate just think it's generally a shame that turn out has decreased over time. In the US it's sunk to below 60% even for the presidency.

I would like people to be automatically registered when they turn 18 at least, it should be made as easy as possible to take part.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #158
JAM See said:
So, fuck the disenfranchised. Is that what you're saying?
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No. I’m saying most the disenfranchised vote the same way as the enfranchised and many that don’t vote because they’re not represented have fringe views that you shouldn’t pander to.

Electoral politics should be about compromise because the winner rules us all.
 

JAM See

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #159
shmmeee said:
No. I’m saying most the disenfranchised vote the same way as the enfranchised and many that don’t vote because they’re not represented have fringe views that you shouldn’t pander to.

Electoral politics should be about compromise because the winner rules us all.
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If you don't vote you are a c**t.

There, I said it.

True fact that.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #160
JAM See said:
If you don't vote you are a c**t.

There, I said it.

True fact that.
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You feeling alright tonight?
 

JAM See

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #161
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You feeling alright tonight?
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I've had a couple of shandy's. My inner 'King of the world' comes out after one and a half.

I stand by my belief in compulsory voting though.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #162
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You feeling alright tonight?
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Too many accounts - account overload syndrome
 

JAM See

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #163
Grendel said:
Too many accounts - account overload syndrome
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Yawn.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #164
JAM See said:
Yawn.
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Tired? Must be hard to be fair - four in the go now is it?
 

JAM See

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #165
Grendel said:
Tired? Must be hard to be fair - four in the go now is it?
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Yawn.
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #166
JAM See said:
If you don't vote you are a c**t.

There, I said it.

True fact that.
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Conservatives still odds on to form the next government. Despite how horrific you all think they are, still no credible alternative. Just thought I'd leave you all with that cheerful thought
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #167
rob9872 said:
Conservatives still odds on to form the next government. Despite how horrific you all think they are, still no credible alternative. Just thought I'd leave you all with that cheerful thought
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Is Starmer a worse bet than Johnson in your view?
 

rob9872

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #168
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Is Starmer a worse bet than Johnson in your view?
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Not sure if Boris will last the distance but I'd wager Starmer will never be PM
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #169
rob9872 said:
Not sure if Boris will last the distance but I'd wager Starmer will never be PM
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No, as in who do you think would do a better job?
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #170
rob9872 said:
Not sure if Boris will last the distance but I'd wager Starmer will never be PM
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Thank fuck you're a fucking moron who is usually 100% fucking wrong
 

rob9872

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #171
David O'Day said:
Thank fuck you're a fucking moron who is usually 100% fucking wrong
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If one thing confirms I'm happy with my choice it's an endorsement from ODay.
 
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rob9872

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #172
Brighton Sky Blue said:
No, as in who do you think would do a better job?
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I have no idea tbh. This far into his opposition I still don't know what Starmer stands for. I wasn't a fan of Corbyn and disagreed with him on almost everything, but at least you knew where he was and he had principles.
 

rob9872

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #173
In fact I think his entire opposition is based on 'yeah but Boris'
 

Otis

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  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #174
I saw the thread title and just assumed that it was a dyslexic person trying to spell Ben Stokes.
 
Last edited: Dec 18, 2021

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2021
  • #175
Any shocked the braying c**t who lorded it over people because they had Bournemouth tickets thinks the plebs should know their role
 
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