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djr8369

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  • Feb 14, 2022
  • #316
PVA said:
Of course we lacked cover ffs. Absurd to say otherwise.

And what LWB did we sign last season that's a dud?
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Virtually everyone was in agreement it was the postion we needed cover for.
And he means Reid, who was signed for the U23 I think so not really “cover” anyway.
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 14, 2022
  • #317
djr8369 said:
Virtually everyone was in agreement it was the postion we needed cover for.
And he means Reid, who was signed for the U23 I think so not really “cover” anyway.
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We signed him on a 3 and a half year deal for a fee - of course he was intended to be a first team squad member

Ridgewell is not cover - he's a first choice - he would not be signing as a reserve to a 19 year old. Again I will make the point for the 10th time - signing Ridgewell was not something needed for this season to push for promotion - like Kane its a long term signing - he is 29 and not a cover position
 

SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 14, 2022
  • #318
Grendel said:
We signed him on a 3 and a half year deal for a fee - of course he was intended to be a first team squad member

Ridgewell is not cover - he's a first choice - he would not be signing as a reserve to a 19 year old. Again I will make the point for the 10th time - signing Ridgewell was not something needed for this season to push for promotion - like Kane its a long term signing - he is 29 and not a cover position
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Liam?
 
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better days

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  • Feb 14, 2022
  • #319
Fergusons_Beard said:
Abundantly clear that part of loan agreement is to play Maatsen.

Very detrimental to Bidwell’s development and to the teams shape.

Allen for one offers loads more in that midfield role and Bidwell much more of a defender that Maatsen is.

Loans are great but not when they have a negative impact on the team.

Interestingly listening to the Blackpool coms they were raving about Bidwell calling him a consistent Championship performer.

We have a player-just needs game time.


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Plenty of people within the club think there is some kind of commitment to play the Chelsea guys FB so I suspect you're right
Not the greatest thing for team spirit if one or both of them aren't justifying starting over one of our own players

Have a grim smile at the vendettas against individual players by some forum contributors
A fair number are just waiting for a player to fail so they can say 'I told you so' and look for scapegoats in the management or recruitment team
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Feb 14, 2022
  • #320
better days said:
Plenty of people within the club think there is some kind of commitment to play the Chelsea guys FB so I suspect you're right
Not the greatest thing for team spirit if one or both of them aren't justifying starting over one of our own players

Have a grim smile at the vendettas against individual players by some forum contributors
A fair number are just waiting for a player to fail so they can say 'I told you so' and look for scapegoats in the management or recruitment team
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What even Clarke Salter? Not sure why we’re letting them dictate that - he’s 24 has no future at Chelsea and hasn’t played higher
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 14, 2022
  • #321
SlowerThanPlatt said:
What even Clarke Salter? Not sure why we’re letting them dictate that - he’s 24 has no future at Chelsea and hasn’t played higher
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Usually the fee / wage contribution's higher if they don't play, though, so there's an incentive regardless. Chelsea would probably rather we didn't play Clarke-Salter for the reasons you say, I guess. Get more cash out of us that way!
 

better days

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  • Feb 14, 2022
  • #322
SlowerThanPlatt said:
What even Clarke Salter? Not sure why we’re letting them dictate that - he’s 24 has no future at Chelsea and hasn’t played higher
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No one knows for sure apart from the management team I guess
But many loan deals with top PL sides are structured that way
Sometimes with a financial penalty as to the contribution to the wages of the loanee
Don't know what these two are on but rumour was Dujon Sterling was on £18k per week
Naturally we would only pay a small proportion of that if he was playing
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 14, 2022
  • #323
Yes loan deals can be structured so that it's, for example, £2k a week wage contribution when he's playing and £5k a week if he's on the bench.
 

SleepyGinger

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  • Feb 14, 2022
  • #324
Don’t get the notion that Kane is a right back over a right wing back. He’s a lot better going forward than he is defending.
 
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blunted

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  • Feb 14, 2022
  • #325
better days said:
Plenty of people within the club think there is some kind of commitment to play the Chelsea guys FB so I suspect you're right
Not the greatest thing for team spirit if one or both of them aren't justifying starting over one of our own players

Have a grim smile at the vendettas against individual players by some forum contributors
A fair number are just waiting for a player to fail so they can say 'I told you so' and look for scapegoats in the management or recruitment team
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Think some players on loan have a clause in the contract that we have to pay a penalty fee if they do not play enough. Makes sense for the PL club. They want their players to get experience not sit on the bench or play in the U23s.
 

Fergusons_Beard

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 14, 2022
  • #326
better days said:
Plenty of people within the club think there is some kind of commitment to play the Chelsea guys FB so I suspect you're right
Not the greatest thing for team spirit if one or both of them aren't justifying starting over one of our own players

Have a grim smile at the vendettas against individual players by some forum contributors
A fair number are just waiting for a player to fail so they can say 'I told you so' and look for scapegoats in the management or recruitment team
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Completely Agree BD about that Vendetta stuff.

Beggars belief that some City fans jump on the back of players backs just for one off key performance.

Luckily most with an once of common sense on here realise we are a work in progress.

I would also guess that there’s a deal to buy JCS at the end of the year (just like we had for Sheaf) and that part of the loan deal doesn’t involve playing him in every game.
 
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cc84cov

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  • Feb 14, 2022
  • #327
Liquid Gold said:
You should have mentioned this before...
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I’ll tell the jokes Liquid Titts
 

cc84cov

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  • Feb 15, 2022
  • #328
steve cooper said:
More like ....
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skyblue025

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  • Feb 15, 2022
  • #329
Fergusons_Beard said:
Completely Agree BD about that Vendetta stuff.

Beggars belief that some City fans jump on the back of players backs just for one off key performance.

Luckily most with an once of common sense on here realise we are a work in progress.

I would also guess that there’s a deal to buy JCS at the end of the year (just like we had for Sheaf) and that part of the loan deal doesn’t involve playing him in every game.
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JCS is out of contract at the end of the season so can sign for who he likes on a free as he's over 24.
 
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Dirk Turpin

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  • Feb 15, 2022
  • #330
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Feb 15, 2022
  • #331
Really not getting him. Gets beat at the back and offers nothing going forward.

Want to see some improvement sharpish.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 15, 2022
  • #332
Had a better game tonight
 

cc84cov

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2022
  • #333
Nick said:
Had a better game tonight
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Reaching here mate he was ok compared to what we’ve seen so far but yes early days
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 15, 2022
  • #334
He was ok tonight but he doesn't seem to have the inclination to try and stretch the game, even second half as we were chasing the game
 

cc84cov

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  • Feb 15, 2022
  • #335
fernandopartridge said:
He was ok tonight but he doesn't seem to have the inclination to try and stretch the game, even second half as we were chasing the game
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Looks a flat 4 player
 
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CovBrummie94

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  • Feb 15, 2022
  • #336
Doesn’t look like a WB but was good defensively. Jury is still out.


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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 15, 2022
  • #337
cc84cov said:
Looks a flat 4 player
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Yes, both him and Kane starting position is deeper than Dabo or Maatsen which reduces our options greatly
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 15, 2022
  • #338
fernandopartridge said:
Yes, both him and Kane starting position is deeper than Dabo or Maatsen which reduces our options greatly
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Kane has also dropped deeper compared to recent weeks too.
 

Tommo1993

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2022
  • #339
Can’t attack, can’t defend. More shit business.
 

Wyken Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2022
  • #340
Uninspiring signing

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Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2022
  • #341
Nick said:
Kane has also dropped deeper compared to recent weeks too.
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To me Kane doesn't look fully fit & Bidwell is still finding his feet.
They were both pretty high tonight though considering it's an away game.

Neither is really one to beat a man & drive to the byline though, they want to get the ball out of feet & deliver quality into the box, Cardiff didn't really allow that tonight.

 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2022
  • #342
Frostie said:
To me Kane doesn't look fully fit & Bidwell is still finding his feet.
They were both pretty high tonight though considering it's an away game.

Neither is really one to beat a man & drive to the byline though, they want to get the ball out of feet & deliver quality into the box, Cardiff didn't really allow that tonight.

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Who is going to allow your winger to stand out in miles of space and receive the ball? Other than our wingbacks of course.
 

Frostie

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  • Feb 15, 2022
  • #343
shmmeee said:
Who is going to allow your winger to stand out in miles of space and receive the ball? Other than our wingbacks of course.
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No, true but you can create space for them with dynamic movement & overloading the centre but we looked devoid of ideas tonight.

It's a shame we've not had all 4 wing-backs fit at the same time, you have 2 real athletes who like to dribble in Dabo/Maatsen & 2 who look to cross from deeper in Kane/Bidwell. Could open up a lot more options for us.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 16, 2022
  • #344
Frostie said:
No, true but you can create space for them with dynamic movement & overloading the centre but we looked devoid of ideas tonight.

It's a shame we've not had all 4 wing-backs fit at the same time, you have 2 real athletes who like to dribble in Dabo/Maatsen & 2 who look to cross from deeper in Kane/Bidwell. Could open up a lot more options for us.
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Shipley never once broke the line though did he? It's something he did in league 1 to drag players around but he just played in a very small space tonight
 

pusbccfc

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  • Feb 16, 2022
  • #345
His movement going forward is horredous. So many times Sheaf/Allen/O'Hare/Hyam tried looking for him but he was making the opposite runs that Maatsen previously made.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Feb 16, 2022
  • #346
cc84cov said:
Reaching here mate he was ok compared to what we’ve seen so far but yes early days
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Surprising lack of Rolls Royce mention
 
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Great_Expectations

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  • Feb 16, 2022
  • #347
Great_Expectations said:
It’s early days still, he’s not played regularly for a while and he’s getting used to how we play. His record is impressive so I’m sure he’ll be an addition to the squad. I’ve said all this before.

However, the WB roles are massively important to how we play and he doesn’t look a natural WB to me. I appreciate today he was asked to watch Bowler, but he just offers nothing offensively with his positioning.

I said it before but I worry if him and Kane start as WB’s we lose all our dynamism for wide areas. We know the crossing game will be on point, but those roles need more than that.

Again, I’m sure he’ll come good, he’s massively experienced, but if we want to play on the front foot, attack teams and be creative then Maatsen has to start.
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Still very much this.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Feb 16, 2022
  • #348
Reckon we could get rid of him in the summer for £100k? We could swap him for Haynes at Newport
 
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AOM

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2022
  • #349
Was good today when he came on. That block in front of goal was class.

Think he'll improve further
 
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Evo1883

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  • Feb 26, 2022
  • #350
AOM said:
Was good today when he came on. That block in front of goal was class.

Think he'll improve further
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I agree , nullified Preston down that side and that was a critical block
 
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