Ben Sheaf (3 Viewers)

Offhegoes · Thursday at 2:47 PM

Sheaf is looking trim, and in good shape from the pre season videos I've seen.

Is a new contract still a possibility?

Grimes, Rudoni and a fully firing Ben Sheaf for 25/26. Don't think they'd be any better midfields in the division.

You'd think playing for Frank Lampard would be hard to walk away from,

If he's pushing for a move (and not signing an extension), then I don't think he'd get a Premier League move. Maybe a Southampton, Leicester...

andrew.roberts · Thursday at 2:50 PM

If he can stay fit there are few better in this league.

Domo · Thursday at 2:52 PM

i might be wrong, but not seen anything with Eccles ? is he still injured?

stgeorge1966 · Thursday at 2:54 PM

Domo said:
i might be wrong, but not seen anything with Eccles ? is he still injured?

Yep just taking it slowly sat on his arse in Faro

Viktor17 · Thursday at 2:57 PM

Domo said:
i might be wrong, but not seen anything with Eccles ? is he still injured?

In Portugal, recovering from Sunderland game still - wright also with him

usskyblue · Thursday at 3:08 PM

@Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Hincha · Thursday at 3:10 PM

andrew.roberts said:
If he can stay fit there are few better in this league.

Yeah last season has really skewered peoples perceptions of him - we're talking about a top 5 CM statistically in the 2 seasons prior

I really want him to have a 40 game season without a 6 week mid-season injury - but evidence suggests otherwise

Speedie's Head · Thursday at 3:39 PM

Sheaf needs to iron out the mistakes that still haunt his game. Perhaps it's less of an issue now we have Grimes in front of the defence but it's probably time for him to move on really.

Levship20 · Thursday at 3:52 PM

Speedie's Head said:
Sheaf needs to iron out the mistakes that still haunt his game. Perhaps it's less of an issue now we have Grimes in front of the defence but it's probably time for him to move on really.

Are you serious??? Come on, he is still a top championship midfielder!

AFCCOVENTRY · Thursday at 4:00 PM

You know we won’t get a full season out of Sheaf. He is an injury prone player unfortunately. Still an important player but he he didn’t seem at his best last season. Hopefully a decent pre season gets him into the best form.

Saddlebrains · Thursday at 4:01 PM

If, and its a huge if, we can keep our 4 main midfielders fit for the majority of the season, I dont think there are many better in this league

Grimes
Sheaf
Torp
Rudoni

With Eccles and Allen to fill in here and there isnt bad

Samo · Thursday at 4:12 PM

Plays half a season, prone to important errors and couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo.
Other than that, great.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Thursday at 4:21 PM

usskyblue said:
@Earlsdon_Skyblue1

That is a respectable artists impression of my reaction opening this thread actually. No arguments there!

In all seriousness though, this has been done to death. The squad as a whole is much stronger now, particularly with the addition of Grimes who is the better player. Whilst there would be a time and a place, to have them both playing together is far too negative for 90 minutes every game if you want to take the front foot against other teams with any serious potency. Sheaf is very good defensively, but going forwards he is atrocious - and if he was playing with Grimes he would be trying to do that, which does hold us back significantly.

It would make sense to move him on if someone was willing to give us some worthy cash to reinvest, but whilst I could be wrong, I just don't think anyone will be willing to pay it. It has been three years already with people saying how good he is and how he is going up a step in his career (albeit dropping their expectations as to which club he is going to go to each year), so I think at some point the penny needs to drop.

That said, if he is going to be here and play a role then that is fine by me. Just so long as it isn't 90 minutes every game (which Grimes almost certainly will be), because players like Torp will offer us something better in midfield when it comes to being effective in the more forward areas.

We have a lot of good midfielders, which is a nice problem to have. As I said on the other thread though, players like Eccles and Allen are also very capable and shouldn't be overlooked. Both of those players I would argue play a very important role for us.

Briles · Thursday at 4:26 PM

Speedie's Head said:
Sheaf needs to iron out the mistakes that still haunt his game. Perhaps it's less of an issue now we have Grimes in front of the defence but it's probably time for him to move on really.

The thing is what makes sheaf so good is he is very relaxed in possession, but its also his Achilles heel. If you take away his calmness you would take away his biggest attribute but also his biggest weakness. Tough one.

SBT · Thursday at 4:35 PM

Saddlebrains said:
If, and its a huge if, we can keep our 4 main midfielders fit for the majority of the season, I dont think there are many better in this league

Grimes
Sheaf
Torp
Rudoni

With Eccles and Allen to fill in here and there isnt bad

You said Sheaf was definitely getting sold this summer

Hobo · Thursday at 4:39 PM

Briles said:
The thing is what makes sheaf so good is he is very relaxed in possession, but its also his Achilles heel. If you take away his calmness you would take away his biggest attribute but also his biggest weakness. Tough one.

Hopefully he can learn from Grimes how to be relaxed and make fewer errors. I actually think Grimes will help bring the best out of him. I think we have some decent permutations in midfield.

Tommo1993 · Thursday at 4:40 PM

There’s still gotta be some berk on here who wants us to go after Bannan.

Saddlebrains · Thursday at 4:40 PM

SBT said:
You said Sheaf was definitely getting sold this summer

Let's be honest my info has been wank ever since I got the Grimes info

Im About as reliable as Katie Prices credit score at the moment

Chicken Mcgraw · Thursday at 4:40 PM

Skipper and best player. Would be amazing if he signed a new deal but I’d be very surprised

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Thursday at 4:41 PM

SBT said:
You said Sheaf was definitely getting sold this summer

To be fair that might be the expectation within in the club - channeling that into clubs actually bidding for him is a different kettle of fish

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Thursday at 4:42 PM

Saddlebrains said:
Let's be honest my info has been wank ever since I got the Grimes info

Im About as reliable as Katie Prices credit score at the moment

Tommo1993 · Thursday at 4:45 PM

Saddlebrains said:
Let's be honest my info has been wank ever since I got the Grimes info

Im About as reliable as Katie Prices credit score at the moment

Used to enjoy a tug looking at her

Briles · Thursday at 4:45 PM

Tommo1993 said:
There’s still gotta be some berk on here who wants us to go after Bannan.

Hard no purely for his Barnet. Looks like someone sucked a chup a chup and dropped it on the barbers floor

Winny the Bish · Thursday at 5:48 PM

Sheaf needs to spend this entire preseason figuring out how to play with Grimes.

Robinshio · Thursday at 5:56 PM

Winny the Bish said:
Sheaf needs to spend this entire preseason figuring out how to play with Grimes.

our manager spent a whole career trying to figure out how to play with Gerrard !!

Saddlebrains · Thursday at 5:58 PM

Tommo1993 said:
Used to enjoy a tug looking at her

Same she used to be unreal

Now I genuinely think id get more of a succesful rub looking at a new hoover

mark82 · Thursday at 6:01 PM

Robinshio said:
our manager spent a whole career trying to figure out how to play with Gerrard !!

Wouldn't be a problem these days would it. You'd have Lampard in the 10 role, Gerrard in the 8 with a more defensive player next to him.

Winny the Bish · Thursday at 6:23 PM

Robinshio said:
our manager spent a whole career trying to figure out how to play with Gerrard !!

Lampard and Gerrard both wanted to attack, we have the opposite problem, both of ours want to sit in front of the bloody back 4.

oneofourown · Thursday at 6:32 PM

FL is on a mission and at this moment the players are buying into it, they fail together, they succeed together. I think FL has told all players they have a season with us (next) and to give it to the city and him. There may not be many more additions because FL has belief in the squad - DK and MR know the quality of the squad. I think they will assess the situation in January more than this summer.

Samo · Thursday at 6:40 PM

oneofourown said:
FL is on a mission and at this moment the players are buying into it, they fail together, they succeed together. I think FL has told all players they have a season with us (next) and to give it to the city and him. There may not be many more additions because FL has belief in the squad - DK and MR know the quality of the squad. I think they will assess the situation in January more than this summer.

The one niggling worry I have with FL is that he's too emotional. He's all about relationships, which is fantastic from a man management point of view but may lead to poor decision making if he cannot let go. There needs to be a realism re abilities/bigger picture that informs decisions. I hope you are not too nice Frank.

Hobo · Thursday at 6:51 PM

Samo said:
The one niggling worry I have with FL is that he's too emotional. He's all about relationships, which is fantastic from a man management point of view but may lead to poor decision making if he cannot let go. There needs to be a realism re abilities/bigger picture that informs decisions. I hope you are not too nice Frank.

It is pre season training. A period of assessment and coaching. He would be foolish not to be all inclusive at this stage. Get Portugal out of the way and a couple of friendlies and he will know how he wants to tweek things. He probably has a good idea already. But don't be surprised if it doesn't mirror some of the opinions on here.

Even if and when someone goes out it doesn't mean that is FL first choice because it will based on another clubs interest; that will start the wheeling and dealing.

ccfc1234 · Thursday at 7:13 PM

Hobo said:
He probably has a good idea already. But don't be surprised if it doesn't mirror some of the opinions on here.

Even if and when someone goes out it doesn't mean that is FL first choice because it will based on another clubs interest; that will start the wheeling and dealing.

Covkid1968# · Thursday at 7:17 PM

Domo said:
i might be wrong, but not seen anything with Eccles ? is he still injured?

Spoke to Josh yesterday and he is with Wright and getting back on the grass.

ExmouthNeil · Thursday at 7:32 PM

Winny the Bish said:
Sheaf needs to spend this entire preseason figuring out how to play with Grimes.

Is Grimes into that type of thing??

Bigelvesy · Thursday at 9:59 PM

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
That is a respectable artists impression of my reaction opening this thread actually. No arguments there!

In all seriousness though, this has been done to death. The squad as a whole is much stronger now, particularly with the addition of Grimes who is the better player. Whilst there would be a time and a place, to have them both playing together is far too negative for 90 minutes every game if you want to take the front foot against other teams with any serious potency. Sheaf is very good defensively, but going forwards he is atrocious - and if he was playing with Grimes he would be trying to do that, which does hold us back significantly.

It would make sense to move him on if someone was willing to give us some worthy cash to reinvest, but whilst I could be wrong, I just don't think anyone will be willing to pay it. It has been three years already with people saying how good he is and how he is going up a step in his career (albeit dropping their expectations as to which club he is going to go to each year), so I think at some point the penny needs to drop.

That said, if he is going to be here and play a role then that is fine by me. Just so long as it isn't 90 minutes every game (which Grimes almost certainly will be), because players like Torp will offer us something better in midfield when it comes to being effective in the more forward areas.

We have a lot of good midfielders, which is a nice problem to have. As I said on the other thread though, players like Eccles and Allen are also very capable and shouldn't be overlooked. Both of those players I would argue play a very important role for us.

Wow, usually i absolutely hate everything youve ever said about Sheaf, but this is right on the money for me.
I agree, the starting 11 cant contain Sheaf & Grimes for EVERY game, but there will absolutely be games its required.
Additionally should Grimes get injured (very rare) or suspended he provides perfect cover there.

IF there was a silly money offer for him randomly, i would accept it and reinvest, but i wouldnt let him go for just anything he is still one of the best players in the squad, he just had a shocker of a year last season injury wise (which i think then affected his form too)

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