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Frostie

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  • May 15, 2021
  • #351
procdoc said:
At the risk of sounding stupid, had we already budgeted for Sheaf out of this seasons kitty or will it come out of next seasons? I only ask as it was already agreed this season
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No way of knowing the financial aspects of the deal unfortunately unless something is leaked out but I believe the structure of the deal was at least partly so we hadn't used up all our budget for the season.

On a related note, a lot of people are getting hung up on the reported fee of £750k but it's worth remembering this was only being quoted at the very start when Nixon first stated our interest & that was when he believed it would be an immediate, permanent transfer.
By doing the loan deal as we did it's possible the subsequent fee has reduced (less time on contract, we've been paying his salary for a year etc.) plus I wouldn't be at all surprised if we'd paid a small fee to secure the loan anyway.

I still really struggle to see the downside of this deal. He's already a good player (yes, he makes mistakes), he has huge scope for improvement & it's, at worst, a modest fee with a probable return on investment.

Look at some of the players being released by our competitors this last week or so that they've literally wasted millions on;
Diedhiou £5.3m to Bristol City - released on a free
Baldock/Aluko approx. £11m for both to be absolutely awful at Reading & then released for nothing.
Flick through some of the released lists, the return on investment by & large is horrendous.

We're not going to get it right every time (especially shopping at Aldi whilst most are at Waitrose) but generally we're doing the right things - trust the process.
 
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procdoc

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #352
Frostie said:
No way of knowing the financial aspects of the deal unfortunately unless something is leaked out but I believe the structure of the deal was at least partly so we hadn't used up all our budget for the season.

On a related note, a lot of people are getting hung up on the reported fee of £750k but it's worth remembering this was only being quoted at the very start when Nixon first stated our interest & that was when he believed it would be an immediate, permanent transfer.
By doing the loan deal as we did it's possible the subsequent fee has reduced (less time on contract, we've been paying his salary for a year etc.) plus I wouldn't be at all surprised if we'd paid a small fee to secure the loan anyway.

I still really struggle to see the downside of this deal. He's already a good player (yes, he makes mistakes), he has huge scope for improvement & it's, at worst, a modest fee with a probable return on investment.

Look at some of the players being released by our competitors this last week or so that they've literally wasted millions on;
Diedhiou £5.3m to Bristol City - released on a free
Baldock/Aluko approx. £11m for both to be absolutely awful at Reading & then released for nothing.
Flick through some of the released lists, the return on investment by & large is horrendous.

We're not going to get it right every time (especially shopping at Aldi whilst most are at Waitrose) but generally we're doing the right things - trust the process.
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Excellently put. At least the flops like Kasta didn’t cost us millions in transfer fees
 
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Garryb80

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #353
cc84cov said:
Kelly
Walsh
Hamer
Sheaf
James
Eccles


Ain’t happenings if sheaf has sighed as has been reported it’s out of James and Walsh knowing how we work Walsh will be the target
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Surely this would be a replacement for allen
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #354
How do you know so much better days? Are you DB?
 

better days

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #355
Sky Blue Pete said:
How do you know so much better days? Are you DB?
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Haha not DB I'm afraid
I just know a few people in the game
In the case of Ben Sheaf I just heard he'd told several people that he is now with us permanently
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 15, 2021
  • #356
Terry_dactyl said:
I’ve been thinking about a midfield of sheaf, Walsh, Hamer, O’Hare...best young midfield in the championship?

Ps
I want us to sign James
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If we had all of the above, that would be amazing.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • May 15, 2021
  • #357
cc84cov said:
Walsh or James ?
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Nigel Pearson was the last manager to sign James for a fee
 

Winny the Bish

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #358
Sky Blue Pete said:
How do you know so much better days? Are you DB?
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My guess is a players Dad/Brother/Relative
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #359
Have a look on the eflzone account on Twitter.

Some of our fans are proper twats.

“we knew he wasn’t good enough before we signed him last year so why are we bothering now” knobhead
 
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Somerset Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #360
better days said:
Haha not DB I'm afraid
I just know a few people in the game
In the case of Ben Sheaf I just heard he'd told several people that he is now with us permanently
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I'm sure we've had a thread saying better days is DB...if not, maybe you are Mrs DB?
 
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Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #361
Liquid Gold said:
Have a look on the eflzone account on Twitter.

Some of our fans are proper twats.

“we knew he wasn’t good enough before we signed him last year so why are we bothering now” knobhead
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Couple more gems...

 
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SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #362
First it was Walker now it’s a player who doesn’t even play the same position who is being used as retribution for letting Biamou go...
 
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Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #363
Sheaf is a good player, and exactly the sort of young player we should be buying to establish ourselves as a championship club. Young, got good stock, and got potential.
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #364
Can't wait to have fans back, I'm sure Sheaf will get a great reception in his first game at the Ricoh...
 
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cc84cov

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #365
Wasn’t a massive sheaf fan in the end but if he’s signed I’m behind him

For the first 7 mins of the next game I see him at then it’s back to business as usual
 
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Deleted member 9744

Guest
  • May 15, 2021
  • #366
Frostie said:
No way of knowing the financial aspects of the deal unfortunately unless something is leaked out but I believe the structure of the deal was at least partly so we hadn't used up all our budget for the season.

On a related note, a lot of people are getting hung up on the reported fee of £750k but it's worth remembering this was only being quoted at the very start when Nixon first stated our interest & that was when he believed it would be an immediate, permanent transfer.
By doing the loan deal as we did it's possible the subsequent fee has reduced (less time on contract, we've been paying his salary for a year etc.) plus I wouldn't be at all surprised if we'd paid a small fee to secure the loan anyway.

I still really struggle to see the downside of this deal. He's already a good player (yes, he makes mistakes), he has huge scope for improvement & it's, at worst, a modest fee with a probable return on investment.

Look at some of the players being released by our competitors this last week or so that they've literally wasted millions on;
Diedhiou £5.3m to Bristol City - released on a free
Baldock/Aluko approx. £11m for both to be absolutely awful at Reading & then released for nothing.
Flick through some of the released lists, the return on investment by & large is horrendous.

We're not going to get it right every time (especially shopping at Aldi whilst most are at Waitrose) but generally we're doing the right things - trust the process.
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Excellent post.

I think Sheaf will be a good player for us in time.
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #367
Nii Lampety podcast getting in on the Sheaf hate now. “If James is a car Sheaf is a unicycle” and “MR should tell Sheaf what Jarni did was a good thing”.

Last time I listened one of them lost their shit about some very mild criticism of Bakayoko so it’s a bit rich.

Get em cancelled.
 
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better days

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  • May 15, 2021
  • #368
Somerset Sky Blue said:
I'm sure we've had a thread saying better days is DB...if not, maybe you are Mrs DB?
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Generally speaking women don't waste their time gossiping on football forums Somerset
 
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CDK

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  • May 15, 2021
  • #369
So he's permanent,plenty of promise and young to boot so in robins I trust as he's the guy thats there to be shot at.
 

Somerset Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #370
better days said:
Generally speaking women don't waste their time gossiping on football forums Somerset
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, Yes women usually have a bit more sense. Saying that, I'll bet you would be surprised, I reckon we have a number of female sky blue fans on here....
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 15, 2021
  • #371
Frostie said:
Couple more gems...

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Absolutely clueless.
 
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Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #372
Somerset Sky Blue said:
, Yes women usually have a bit more sense. Saying that, I'll bet you would be surprised, I reckon we have a number of female sky blue fans on here....
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We definitely do. I can think of 1 or 2 very knowledgeable female posters on here.
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #373
Frostie said:
We definitely do. I can think of 1 or 2 very knowledgeable female posters on here.
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Shame there’s not more still.
 
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Somerset Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #374
Liquid Gold said:
Shame there’s not more still.
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We probably do have more, but perhaps they don't want to reveal whether they are male of female - doesn't really matter as long as people are sky blue fans!
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #375
Liquid Gold said:
Nii Lampety podcast getting in on the Sheaf hate now. “If James is a car Sheaf is a unicycle” and “MR should tell Sheaf what Jarni did was a good thing”.

Last time I listened one of them lost their shit about some very mild criticism of Bakayoko so it’s a bit rich.

Get em cancelled.
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Their end of season pod had some very odd views on it. Lots of shout for Hyam as one of the PotS and a lot of Fadz criticism.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #376
There are no girls on the internet. Everyone knows that.
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #377
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Their end of season pod had some very odd views on it. Lots of shout for Hyam as one of the PotS and a lot of Fadz criticism.
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Arseholes. They don’t like it if you have a different view on Twitter and get pissy at you.
 
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TM8792

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  • May 15, 2021
  • #378
I sincerely hope these rumours aren’t true. I’d take him on a free as backup, but 750k seems like a colossal waste of money.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2021
  • #379
TM8792 said:
I sincerely hope these rumours aren’t true. I’d take him on a free as backup, but 750k seems like a colossal waste of money.
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Phenomenal value for me
 
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Frostie

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  • May 31, 2021
  • #380

 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 1, 2021
  • #381
Can't be true, I read on here Robins was getting us out of the deal??!
 

Skybluedownunder

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 1, 2021
  • #382
Sick Boy said:
Can't be true, I read on here Robins was getting us out of the deal??!
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I honestly hope we can get out of this deal but doubt we will if what Nixon says is true which would make sense. Sheaf unfortunately just isn’t near our starting 11 so to spend $750k on someone to sit on the bench all season is wasteful when that’s the price we’d pay for a starting 11 player


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Deity

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  • Jun 1, 2021
  • #383
Skybluedownunder said:
I honestly hope we can get out of this deal but doubt we will if what Nixon says is true which would make sense. Sheaf unfortunately just isn’t near our starting 11 so to spend $750k on someone to sit on the bench all season is wasteful when that’s the price we’d pay for a starting 11 player


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I understand your point but it’s just the ups and downs of transfers. If Hamer moves on for £5m + we will have invested very wisely in him, but maybe less wisely in Sheaf ( hopefully he will be much better next season ) .

We have been fishing in a pond of gambles. Players that other clubs don’t want, unknown foreign players, or young players with potential.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 1, 2021
  • #384
Skybluedownunder said:
I honestly hope we can get out of this deal but doubt we will if what Nixon says is true which would make sense. Sheaf unfortunately just isn’t near our starting 11 so to spend $750k on someone to sit on the bench all season is wasteful when that’s the price we’d pay for a starting 11 player


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Hes literally played in almost every game he’s been fit you loon. “Not in our starting eleven”
 
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Northeast sky blue

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  • Jun 1, 2021
  • #385
I'm a fan of Sheaf, he just needs to cut out the silly mistakes and I believe he'll be a good signing even at 750k
 
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