Evo1883
Well-Known Member
When lampard arrived norman had just turned 20 , the lad cant be expected to lead a top championship teams line game after game .. silly man management
He was Lampard's first choice striker to begin with. He started him in 7 of his first 9 games in charge, much to the detriment of the team. Once he finally got dropped, this coincided with our great run of form. He actually gave him too many chances.
You talk about him like he’s some academy kid, but he was signed for a substantial fee - more than Torp, Sakamoto or Thomas - and he hasn’t delivered on it. I know he’s a young player and he has a lot to learn, but if you spend £2.5 million on a player in the Championship then you should expect them to contribute and Norm never has.When lampard arrived norman had just turned 20 , the lad cant be expected to lead a top championship teams line game after game .. silly man management
Personally with the lack of cover we have in forward positions I would have kept him around.When lampard arrived norman had just turned 20 , the lad cant be expected to lead a top championship teams line game after game .. silly man management
You talk about him like he’s some academy kid, but he was signed for a substantial fee - more than Torp, Sakamoto or Thomas - and he hasn’t delivered on it. I know he’s a young player and he has a lot to learn, but if you spend £2.5 million on a player in the Championship then you should expect them to contribute and Norm never has.
Frank also has history of falling out with players , doucoure at Everton who was an influential player too .. as soon as frank left he came back in and played wellFrank doesn't like his attitude so he's off. End of story really, you can't be keeping a potentially disruptive influence around the group.
Yes he seems to run a very strict ship, his man management for those he doesn't love seems very interesting to say the least.Frank also has history of falling out with players , doucoure at Everton who was an influential player too .. as soon as frank left he came back in and played well
He's also bought players who were previously seen as bad influences back into the equation, see Kitching. It's not his group, he didn't like Bassette so he's off. It's really not that controversial.Frank also has history of falling out with players , doucoure at Everton who was an influential player too .. as soon as frank left he came back in and played well
If he’s a young kid who’ll take two years before we even think about him playing effectively in the Championship, why did we spend that kind of money on him? It’s a huge waste of resources when you see how else the money could have been invested.I talk about him like hes a young kid , which is what he is ... we had 4 years to get him to where we wanted him to be
He's also bought players who were previously seen as bad influences back into the equation, see Kitching. It's not his group, he didn't like Bassette so he's off. It's really not that controversial.
Clubs spend millions on young players to develop them .. not sure what you meanIf he’s a young kid who’ll take two years before we even think about him playing effectively in the Championship, why did we spend that kind of money on him? It’s a huge waste of resources when you see how else the money could have been invested.
Championship clubs don’t tend to spend these kind of sums on development players who don’t also contribute in the first team, do they? Or am I wrong?Clubs spend millions on young players to develop them .. not sure what you mean
Championship clubs don’t tend to spend these kind of sums on development players who don’t also contribute in the first team, do they? Or am I wrong?
I don’t remember us doing it before, nor can I think of other teams in this league doing it. You must have other examples?We did , because we could
I don’t remember us doing it before, nor can I think of other teams in this league doing it. You must have other examples?
The alternative explanation is that we spent good money on a player we thought would be first-team ready and got it very wrong.
Sunderland have done it loads?I don’t remember us doing it before, nor can I think of other teams in this league doing it. You must have other examples?
The alternative explanation is that we spent good money on a player we thought would be first-team ready and got it very wrong.
Exactly , its silly talk .Sunderland have done it loads?
Its paying dividends for them now
There is if you overpay for it and it prevents you from strengthening a squad that’s a couple of signings away from promotion.There is nothing wrong with spending decent money to bring a player in with huge potential to develop further.
There is if you overpay for it and it prevents you from strengthening a squad that’s a couple of signings away from promotion.
Anytime you spend £2.5 million on a player in this division, you should expect better than what Norm’s shown us. We’re not Chelsea, this team does not have the financial luxury of stockpiling bets on expensive lottery tickets.
On which players?Sunderland have done it loads?
Its paying dividends for them now
Mundle, Jensen Seelt, Mayenda, Milan Aleksic, Pembele, Hemir, Leo HjeldeOn which players?
So in your view we can just spend £2.5 million on a youth player without King or Austin having to make any considerations about how it affects our future business?And you know it prevented us from spending more money on the team how ?? You dont , stop making scenarios up to fit your argument
Apart from that thoughMundle, Jensen Seelt, Mayenda, Milan Aleksic, Pembele, Hemir, Leo Hjelde
And thats just in their last 2 Championship seasons.
He is really ill informed.Apart from that though
We spend the money we have available , if it was too much of a risk we wouldnt have spent it .So in your view we can just spend £2.5 million on a youth player without King or Austin having to make any considerations about how it affects our future business?
It was a risk though? The kid is going to spend this season back in the French second division where we found him. We took a sizeable gamble on him and halfway through his four year deal he’s contributed nothing to us. £2.5 million!We spend the money we have available , if it was too much of a risk we wouldnt have spent it .
Its simple really
And these players all cost £2.5 million and played badly for Sunderland before being shipped out again?Mundle, Jensen Seelt, Mayenda, Milan Aleksic, Pembele, Hemir, Leo Hjelde
And thats just in their last 2 Championship seasons.
It was a risk though? The kid is going to spend this season back in the French second division where we found him. We took a sizeable gamble on him and halfway through his four year deal he’s contributed nothing to us. £2.5 million!
You asked for players that cost in and around what we paid for Bassette who are youth/development signings.And these players all cost £2.5 million and played badly for Sunderland before being shipped out again?
I also don’t think we should pretend that Sunderland’s transfer model is the typical Championship approach - it’s certainly not ours.
Hence why I asked what they cost - was it around £2.5 million?You asked for players that cost in and around what we paid for Bassette who are youth/development signings.
Don't move the goalposts now that I've proven my point.
We've done alright with our development recently haven't we? Some players can only be developed so much as they aren't good enough, which would be a recruitment issue. This happens at every club and i actually think we recruit ok. Alternatively they just don't like his attitude which seems to be more the case, in which case its only going to end one way.Then you also need to blame the people paid by the club handsomely to develop the footballers we buy .
You also have no idea what the buy amount is at the end of the loan
They range from £1m to £3m so yes.Hence why I asked what they cost - was it around £2.5 million?
We've done alright with our development recently haven't we? Some players can only be developed so much as they aren't good enough, which would be a recruitment issue. This happens at every club and i actually think we recruit ok. Alternatively they just don't like his attitude which seems to be more the case, in which case its only going to end one way.
Not sure why there's some sort of witch hunt over Bassette. I thought he looked ok at times but it was a weird signing given the formation we play and the strikers we already had available and honestly we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes to lead to this.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?