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Skybluefaz

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #211
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Would rather of kept JCH than baka
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Easy to say in hindsight
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #212
Skybluefaz said:
Easy to say in hindsight
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not really
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #213
Grendel said:
not really
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Of course it is, I watched him miss sitters and fall over week in week out in league two and league one. If he'd have gone there and continued as he was playing for us no one would be saying that we should have kept him.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #214
Skybluefaz said:
Of course it is, I watched him miss sitters and fall over week in week out in league two and league one. If he'd have gone there and continued as he was playing for us no one would be saying that we should have kept him.
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Missing chances is irrelevant

He clearly has attributes and make of of a striker - strength and reasonable speed as well as awareness to get into a position to have chances

Bakayoko has none of these basic attributes
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #215
Grendel said:
Missing chances is irrelevant

He clearly has attributes and make of of a striker - strength and reasonable speed as well as awareness to get into a position to have chances

Bakayoko has none of these basic attributes
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that's clearly not true.
Look at his some of his goals against Charlton, involved in the build up and showed strength and determination to get on the end of crosses in the 6 yard box.
Walsall, great run in between two defenders and powerful header.
Fleetwood, anticipating the back pass and chasing it down for a lucky deflected goal.
Good running, movement and finishes against Peterboro and Mackems.
He has the attributes but just doesn't use them enough which probably makes his performances even more unacceptable.
 
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GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #216
rob9872 said:
Not for me. The point of playing a 442 with a big man little man combo is to get balls into the box quickly and particularly from wide. This goes against the whole ethos we've been deploying and the personnel we have, particularly in your example lacking the much needed width.

That said, I do think we're struggling with 433 and I can see a change but rather than 442, perhaps to 4231. Still Godden up top, but supported by Hiwula, Shipley & O'Hare, with Walsh & Kelly sitting deeper. Packs the midfield and still affords the space to play out from the back. Possibly a little negative, but against better opposition and away from home I can see the merits.
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Agree with the against better opposition / away from home comment, really don’t want us to have Shipley wide as a Plan A though. I don’t really want is Plan B, C, D or E either but we’re looking desperately short of optiond


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Grendel

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #217
clint van damme said:
that's clearly not true.
Look at his some of his goals against Charlton, involved in the build up and showed strength and determination to get on the end of crosses in the 6 yard box.
Walsall, great run in between two defenders and powerful header.
Fleetwood, anticipating the back pass and chasing it down for a lucky deflected goal.
Good running, movement and finishes against Peterboro and Mackems.
He has the attributes but just doesn't use them enough which probably makes his performances even more unacceptable.
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Quoting a couple of instances in a year and a half surely does prove it.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #218
I always remember an old manager telling me that there are stacks of players in non league football that are more talented than a lot of the league players but there for a reason and one of them is they can’t produce performances week in week out. Contributing factors are they may not be bright enough and think that once a month is enough to play well or they are just plain simply mentally lazy.

I’ll not mince my words Bakayoko is a non league player that’s been bloody lucky to get a pro career so far but he won’t much longer if he doesn’t want/won’t produce constant performances.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #219
Grendel said:
Missing chances is irrelevant

He clearly has attributes and make of of a striker - strength and reasonable speed as well as awareness to get into a position to have chances

Bakayoko has none of these basic attributes
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And despite that has a better goalscoring record than JCH at ccfc
 

Adge

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #220
People going on likes it’s a science at the minute and looking for different formulas.
The bottom dollar is the strikers are not putting it in the onion bag-that is all that is wrong.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #221
Grendel said:
Quoting a couple of instances in a year and a half surely does prove it.
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It proves he has it in him to do it. Getting him to do it consistently is the conundrum. I feel he's probably got a month to show he can or his city career will be over.
 

ceetee

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #222
cc84cov said:
The striker recruitment has been poor since probably McNulty BUT this 1 up front bullshit hasn’t helped them...Chaplin 3 ft 2 being played on his own up front was pathetic,Robins being a striker himself playing under Sir Alex I don’t get why he doesn’t see to be able to get his strikers scoring.

Who ever was behind the Bakayoko signing should never be allowed near a football club again I’ve see better players on a Sunday than that clown hopefully we can offload him in jan.
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If your assessment is correct I wonder where you think he can be offloaded..... or do you mean sacked
 

cc84cov

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #223
ceetee said:
If your assessment is correct I wonder where you think he can be offloaded..... or do you mean sacked
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We had the chance to let him go to Bristol we decided not too I’m sure his contract is finished end of this season
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #224
cc84cov said:
The striker recruitment has been poor since probably McNulty BUT this 1 up front bullshit hasn’t helped them...Chaplin 3 ft 2 being played on his own up front was pathetic,Robins being a striker himself playing under Sir Alex I don’t get why he doesn’t see to be able to get his strikers scoring.

Who ever was behind the Bakayoko signing should never be allowed near a football club again I’ve see better players on a Sunday than that clown hopefully we can offload him in jan.
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Couldn’t of agreed more. Who ever scouted him must have got players mixed up and was to embarrassed to admit it when bakayoko turned up at the training ground!
 

cc84cov

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #225
Fingers crossed we can get a solid number 9 in jan,Leon Clarke maybe worth a punt if wages can be sorted
 
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robbiethemole

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #226
fecker needs to step up tomorrow now after tonights results
 

cc84cov

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #227
robbiethemole said:
fecker needs to step up tomorrow now after tonights results
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Down to 9th we have to win tomorrow we are slipping away
 

Sky Blue Harry H

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #228
robbiethemole said:
fecker needs to step up tomorrow now after tonights results
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This regardless of tonight's results.
 
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johnwillomagic

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #229
Hmm of the striekrs at the club on his day I think he is the best finisher at the club!

Above Godden, certainly above the wasteful Hiwula and the rest of our squad are hardly potent in fron of goal!
I still think there is something in him but he is soooo frustrating - I also think playing him in a 2 would not be a bad shout.
Him and Hiwula as a front two I think coukd still be interesting if Godden injured!
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #230
johnwillomagic said:
Hmm of the striekrs at the club on his day I think he is the best finisher at the club!

Above Godden, certainly above the wasteful Hiwula and the rest of our squad are hardly potent in fron of goal!
I still think there is something in him but he is soooo frustrating - I also think playing him in a 2 would not be a bad shout.
Him and Hiwula as a front two I think coukd still be interesting if Godden injured!
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Bakayoko?
 
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johnwillomagic

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  • Oct 22, 2019
  • #231
In terms of finishing yes I do think he is one of the best finishers at the club and is reasonably clinical in front of goal.
Curious to hear who people think in the squad currently are better finishers particularly given recent displays in front of goal.

I think it is his work rate, inconsistency & all round game that causes this issues - on finishing alone I think he is one of the best we have at the club
make of that what you will - I think we need another clinical striker and could also play two up top arguably!
 

fatso

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  • Oct 23, 2019
  • #232
clint van damme said:
that's clearly not true.
Look at his some of his goals against Charlton, involved in the build up and showed strength and determination to get on the end of crosses in the 6 yard box.
Walsall, great run in between two defenders and powerful header.
Fleetwood, anticipating the back pass and chasing it down for a lucky deflected goal.
Good running, movement and finishes against Peterboro and Mackems.
He has the attributes but just doesn't use them enough which probably makes his performances even more unacceptable.
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The goals against Charlton came when he was a late second half sub, playing against knackered defenders who were already struggling to cope with a city team that were throwing the kitchen sink at them. Apart from a lucky ricochet and a half decent header he's done fuck all in the year since that Charlton game.
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 23, 2019
  • #233
fatso said:
The goals against Charlton came when he was a late second half sub, playing against knackered defenders who were already struggling to cope with a city team that were throwing the kitchen sink at them. Apart from a lucky ricochet and a half decent header he's done fuck all in the year since that Charlton game.
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Yes the ricochet was lucky, but he got the break by anticipating the back pass and breaking a gut to chase it down. Should have won a penalty against Luton doing the same thing. Also scored good goals against the mackems and Peterborough. And tired defence or not, the Charlton goals were quality with him involved in the build up.

He has it in him, he just doesn't use it anywhere approaching enough. I'm not defending him, just pointing out that he does have the ability, as confirmed by MR.
 
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fatso

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  • Oct 23, 2019
  • #234
clint van damme said:
Yes the ricochet was lucky, but he got the break by anticipating the back pass and breaking a gut to chase it down. Should have won a penalty against Luton doing the same thing. Also scored good goals against the mackems and Peterborough. And tired defence or not, the Charlton goals were quality with him involved in the build up.

He has it in him, he just doesn't use it anywhere approaching enough. I'm not defending him, just pointing out that he does have the ability, as confirmed by MR.
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In many ways, having the ability but not showing it, is the biggest reason to bin him. It shows a lack of effort for his team mates and a disrespect for the club, manager and fans.
Its clear to see that MR has lost patience with the guy, and is only using him due to injuries and a lack of options. Come January we should look to offload Baka, Biamou and Ponticelli (if Robbins dosnt fancy him) and bring in a couple of strikers who can play with or off Godden.
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 23, 2019
  • #235
fatso said:
In many ways, having the ability but not showing it, is the biggest reason to bin him. It shows a lack of effort for his team mates and a disrespect for the club, manager and fans.
Its clear to see that MR has lost patience with the guy, and is only using him due to injuries and a lack of options. Come January we should look to offload Baka, Biamou and Ponticelli (if Robbins dosnt fancy him) and bring in a couple of strikers who can play with or off Godden.
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I agree, lets hope Robins latest salvo stirs something in him though I won't hold my breath.
 

cc84cov

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  • Oct 23, 2019
  • #236
fatso said:
In many ways, having the ability but not showing it, is the biggest reason to bin him. It shows a lack of effort for his team mates and a disrespect for the club, manager and fans.
Its clear to see that MR has lost patience with the guy, and is only using him due to injuries and a lack of options. Come January we should look to offload Baka, Biamou and Ponticelli (if Robbins dosnt fancy him) and bring in a couple of strikers who can play with or off Godden.
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What I don’t get is when we had sides come in for Biamou & Baka why we didn’t look to off load them ?

Agreed January get rid of the 3 of them and use wages elsewhere
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 23, 2019
  • #237
cc84cov said:
What I don’t get is when we had sides come in for Biamou & Baka why we didn’t look to off load them ?

Agreed January get rid of the 3 of them and use wages elsewhere
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3? Is that a typo or are you including someone else? Ponticelli perhaps?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 23, 2019
  • #238
He needs to decide what system he wants to play before deciding on strikers.

It's like when we sign Chaplin to play a lone striker.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 23, 2019
  • #239
Nick said:
He needs to decide what system he wants to play before deciding on strikers.

It's like when we sign Chaplin to play a lone striker.
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Well he seems to have settled on this 4-3-3 so he should base his thinking around that.

But the decision to not just sign chaplin but to pursue him for so long when he knew he'd be playing a one up top system was a bizarre decision.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 23, 2019
  • #240
Could have had Eisa but instead got Chaplin! Great decision that was
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 23, 2019
  • #241
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Could have had Eisa but instead got Chaplin! Great decision that was
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Could we have had him?
 
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skybluegod

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  • Oct 23, 2019
  • #242
Nick said:
Could we have had him?
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Maybe on FIFA. In real life clearly not
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 23, 2019
  • #243
Nick said:
Could we have had him?
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100% But he went Peterborough instead, they offered more
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 23, 2019
  • #244
SkyBlueDom26 said:
100% But he went Peterborough instead, they offered more
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You do realise they bought him the year after we bought Chaplin?
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 23, 2019
  • #245
Nick said:
You do realise they bought him the year after we bought Chaplin?
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Yes but we were in for Eisa a few times... we nearly got him on loan from Bristol
 
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