Awfull tactics from lampard (11 Viewers)

[covcity4life]

Thing is people saying we can't play 4 attackers but...we can? We did and we won a lot of games in a row lol

Is the issue for some people that we must win every single game we play? In which case why are we even debating with these weirdos?

It's a forced move due to rudonis injury. Not ideal but lampard found a way to win vast majority of our games without rudoni

Truly "awfull"

 

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[clint van damme]

Woke up still angry about that performance in the second half. Wrexscum were dominant and we struggled to string together simple passes. If we want to go up automatically, we can’t be so naive and failing at the basics - to teams like Wrexham.

I keep saying this but where we gain/drop points isn't really relevant, as long as we gain enough and don't drop too many!

Leeds dropped points to all 3 relegated teams last season and still won the league.

Just need to make sure we react positively Tuesday.

 

[Grendel]

The reactions are well OTT

We have another game on Tuesday and it’s clearly difficult to manage the squad with obvious injuries and players seemingly night able to do 90 minutes. Torp was pretty anonymous when he came on.

I would suggest the biggest concerns aren’t when we have to play occasional players like Allen and Bidwell but the performances of our two biggest signings in KKH and Woolfendon. KKH was out of position a lot and his distribution into the box was lacking.

Woolfendon made Moore look like Haaland - he bullied him all second half. In fact I’d probably say that if you made one change and Thomas could have played the result would have been different.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

The reactions are well OTT

We have another game on Tuesday and it’s clearly difficult to manage the squad with obvious injuries and players seemingly night able to do 90 minutes. Torp was pretty anonymous when he came on.

I would suggest the biggest concerns aren’t when we have to play occasional players like Allen and Bidwell but the performances of our two biggest signings in KKH and Woolfendon. KKH was out of position a lot and his distribution into the box was lacking.

Woolfendon made Moore look like Haaland - he bullied him all second half. In fact I’d probably say that if you made one change and Thomas could have played the result would have been different.

KKH and Woolfenden are just as much occasional players as Allen and Bidwell

 

[Grendel]

KKH and Woolfenden are just as much occasional players as Allen and Bidwell

They cost £8 million pounds between them and are players we will be looking to develop - can you be sensible for at least one post today?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

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They cost £8 million pounds between them and are players we will be looking to develop - can you be sensible for at least one post today?

They are backups, put into one of their first games starting in a defence that had 3 out of the 4 players changed. They were going to struggle.

 

[Londonccfcfan]

I think the reality of the situation on reflection is that Lampard simply didn’t think he had the tools to fix it.

Mentioned in his press conference that he thought it was coming at half time. On the back three, unless you put Bidwell there, we didn’t have the numbers.

As much as we moan about Allen, Andrews against sheaf would have been a huge ask. The result was simply depth catching up with us.

Hopefully we should start to see Eccles, Torp and Rudoni back soon which will fix a lot of our midfield issues from the last couple of games. Plus Thomas which will give us the flexibility to go back three again (or even Lati).

But last night proved how much we need depth especially if we want to make the most of our start

If he doesn't have the confidence to play Lati or Andrews when we had such injuries/suspensions.

Thomas,
MVE
JAy Da Silva
Rudoni
Torp
Eccles

Not able to start then we have to ask questions of their viability. They need to play or move on go on loan in January.

 

[David O'Day]

I suspect both Woolfie and KKH are nowhere near as bas as they played last night.

 

[David O'Day]

If he doesn't have the confidence to play Lati or Andrews when we had such injuries/suspensions.

Thomas,
MVE
JAy Da Silva
Rudoni
Torp
Eccles

Not able to start then we have to ask questions of their viability. They need to play or move on go on loan in January.

Lati would have played if we had needed another CH and Andrews is an 18 year old kid who you need to bring in slowly.

 

[shmmeee]

If he doesn't have the confidence to play Lati or Andrews when we had such injuries/suspensions.

Thomas,
MVE
JAy Da Silva
Rudoni
Torp
Eccles

Not able to start then we have to ask questions of their viability. They need to play or move on go on loan in January.

Lati was on the bench for the first time after having been injured for months and Andrews is still getting his mum to do his washing. Go and have a cuppa.

 

[covcity4life]

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They are backups, put into one of their first games starting in a defence that had 3 out of the 4 players changed. They were going to struggle.

Maybe they weren't definitely gonna struggle but it was definitely a concern. Even the best players need a run of games sometimes. I wouldn't worry about either of them personally

 

[Shannerz]

They are backups

They're not back-ups, they are signings made to give the squad depth and challenge for regular starts.

They played like back-ups, but that is not the same thing.

In their defence, it was their first and second league start for us.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

They're not back-ups, they are signings made to give the squad depth and challenge for regular starts.

They played like back-ups, but that is not the same thing.

In their defence, it was their first and second league start for us.

In a back four where 3 of the 4 were changed.

It seems like they were all forced changes which doesn't help and makes the MVE suspension all the more infuriating.

 

[Shannerz]

In a back four where 3 of the 4 were changed.

I agree, I gave the caveat that it's very early in their City careers.

However, as well as playing in a makeshift defence that you might expect players not to be fully attuned to each others' games, they were both individually poor.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I don’t think Allen works in that role with Grimes. He's good energy but he doesn’t have that touch of class to make things happen. He's great at ticking things over but we need more.

That coupled with having a CF in the 10 just means we have less control.

We play Grimes, Eccles, Torp until Rudoni is fit. One of EMC or Saka drop out of the starting lineup for BTA until his goalscoring form drops off.

Once we were ahead last night we should have brought Eccles or Torp on for Wright and tried to slow the game down.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I might be in the minority but we need to move on from the Asante as a 10 experiment

Agreed, no coincidence that we've suddenly found ourselves giving away a lot more chances and creating less. It was exceptionally naive of Lampard to go with it again last night.

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

I keep saying this but where we gain/drop points isn't really relevant, as long as we gain enough and don't drop too many!

Leeds dropped points to all 3 relegated teams last season and still won the league.

Just need to make sure we react positively Tuesday.

Agreed but it is concerning for me that we have only played one of the current top 6. Against Watford, we were very luck not to concede 2/3 in the second half.

We look like we will get brought down a peg. Some of our fans have turned into insufferable bellends, case in point the receding hairline weirdo freak on twitter. I think the atmosphere had been awful this season, fans only singing when we are dominantly winning.

 

[clint van damme]

case in point the receding hairline weirdo freak on twitter.

 

[coop]

My gut feeling is Lampard sacrificed this game for the greater good. He decided taking too many risks with players carrying minor injuries was not worth it.

He also released the pressure valve of remaining undefeated and it gives him the chance to reset and go again, albeit that may be after the international break.

So he lost on purpose?

 

[David O'Day]

At least it will be a shock if Lampard goes with that again if it isn't the only option.

 

[SonofErnie]

So he lost on purpose?

No, but I think he let it play out. He said himself he could see the way things were going, but still did nothing at half time.

 

[covcity4life]

No, but I think he let it play out. He said himself he could see the way things were going, but still did nothing at half time.

I'm sure he will have said guys don't let your levels drop etc but maybe there are times when you know things are not gonna pan out well otherwise some teams would have the magic formula and never lose?

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

My gut feeling is Lampard sacrificed this game for the greater good. He decided taking too many risks with players carrying minor injuries was not worth it.

He also released the pressure valve of remaining undefeated and it gives him the chance to reset and go again, albeit that may be after the international break.

If I read a book on manure, it wouldn’t be as much horse shit as this post!

Lampard of elite level pedigree, intentionally lost the game at Wrexham to remove the pressure of being undefeated?!

 

[SonofErnie]

I'm sure he will have said guys don't let your levels drop etc but maybe there are times when you know things are not gonna pan out well otherwise some teams would have the magic formula and never lose?

Of course it’s completely unrealistic to expect never to lose. In the long run this game will probably prove to be a good thing ala Portsmouth last season.

 

[covcity4life]

Of course it’s completely unrealistic to expect never to lose. In the long run this game will probably prove to be a good thing ala Portsmouth last season.

I rmemrber losing to Lincoln on league 2 just before playoffs began was good for us too

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I might be in the minority but we need to move on from the Asante as a 10 experiment

Not until Rudoni is back. If anything, we seen how placid our attack was after we took the 2 strikers for more midfielders. We also ended up conceding more goals.

I’m reasonably sure we’d have played 3-4-3 had Thomas been fit and available.

Squad depth caught up us imo.

 

[skybluecb]

Three changes in our back 4 didn't help last night. 2 making their first starts of the season and Wolf first time starting in a back 4. Any team in this league would struggle with that much change.

Grimes game impacted as well, he likes to drop in next to our CBs and start our attacks, he wasn't able to do that as they had 3 in midfield and were winning second balls, Grimes had to help Allen to try and stem the flow, so we needed an extra midfielder but obviously Eccles and Torp not fit enough

Wright starting to show how inconsistent he can be during a season? , how long before we see the dominant Wright again, let's hope it's not as long as the end of last season, we need him firing or at least showing interest.

Still top of league and had a great start, l fancy us to bounce back Tuesday, with our best defenders back and Torp in for Allen

 

[Londonccfcfan]

Thing is people saying we can't play 4 attackers but...we can? We did and we won a lot of games in a row lol

Is the issue for some people that we must win every single game we play? In which case why are we even debating with these weirdos?

It's a forced move due to rudonis injury. Not ideal but lampard found a way to win vast majority of our games without rudoni

Truly "awfull"

Our best performances have come when we have played 3 in midfield

Either Grimes, Torp and Rudoni or
Vs QPR , Derby

Since Rudoni injury.

Grimes, Eccles , Torp.

Birmingham, and Millwall.

So what u on about..the last couple of wins we were bad. And I'm discounting the Shef Wed Game.

Arguably Portsmouth too as we played 3 at the back.

So what u on about play with 4 attackers??

 

[covcity4life]

Our best performances have come when we have played 3 in midfield

Either Grimes, Torp and Rudoni or
Vs QPR , Derby

Since Rudoni injury.

Grimes, Eccles , Torp.

Birmingham, and Millwall.

So what u on about..the last couple of wins we were bad. And I'm discounting the Shef Wed Game.

Arguably Portsmouth too as we played 3 at the back.

So what u on about play with 4 attackers??

We have won with 4 attackers. That's what I'm on about.

Id rather us with 3 midfielders too but it has worked so the first time it doesn't work isn't really reason to diss lampard is what in saying

 

[wingy]

Oh well at least Sakamoto saved the gd!

 

[Warwickhunt]

It’s probably the case the Torp and Eccles might not be 100% ready to play a full 90…

Allen also scored at the weekend so didn’t deserve to be dropped.

That all said, I’m not a huge fan of Allen and Grimes playing together.

I always think that Allen smothers Grimes's space on the field

 

[David O'Day]

I always think that Allen smothers Grimes's space on the field

they do both like to sit deep, torp is usually much further forward when he plays

 

[Sick Boy]

There midfield is bang average and none of them gets near our team. Sheaf maybe, if he wasnt made of balsa wood, but he is which is why we punted him.
And I stand by that despite how much you big them up.

Even against Jamie Allen O'brien didn't look great but they did enough last night granted.

We didn’t turn up rather than them being decent. We’ll smash them at home.

 

[Skyblue Bangkok]

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We have won with 4 attackers. That's what I'm on about.

Id rather us with 3 midfielders too but it has worked so the first time it doesn't work isn't really reason to diss lampard is what in saying

If Lampard had bought on an extra midfielder at ht and we still lost he'd be getting stick for the change. Let's not panic most of the other results went for us today.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I always think that Allen smothers Grimes's space on the field

I suppose they do have v similar functions and whilst he’s a good stand in, the balance isn’t there imo. Torp works well with Grimes because he’s more creative and carries a significant long shooting threat.

Allen is good at winning any loose or second ball because he’s got more energy than the Duracell bunny. He’s ok at keeping things simple and when he plays higher up, can get in dangerous positions… Overall, a capable rotation option but he’s not a player to rely on to make a massive impact on a weekly basis.

It’s fair to say that Torp and Eccles probably weren’t going to be 100% and with Allen scoring v Watford, I have no qualms with him starting v Wrexham.

For me, the defence looked disjointed which is understandable because they haven’t really played with one another. Bidwell in particular just looks like he’s past his ‘best before’ date.