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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Mar 28, 2018
  • #876
I_Saw_Shaw_Score said:
No Surrey are too busy signing Kohli as their overseas to get him used to English conditions ahead of the India series!
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I hadn’t seen that I don’t really like Bob Willis but he has laid right into them about it, Surrey are the most disloyal side in county cricket and they try to justify it by using Sanga as an example a bloke who had already retired from international cricket
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Mar 28, 2018
  • #877
I_Saw_Shaw_Score said:
No Surrey are too busy signing Kohli as their overseas to get him used to English conditions ahead of the India series!
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Just had a look at some of the county moves hadn’t realised Jennings and Onions had gone to Lancs but Carberry to Leics shocked me, glad to see the bears have got rid of Javid a very average cricketer
 
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henry the wasp

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  • Mar 28, 2018
  • #878
So it wasn't tape then. It was sandpaper. Everyone involved should just come clean now and stop being cowards. They are only making it worse and the press won't let it go.
Would'nt be surprised to see Warner rat out everyone. Which will happen if an appeal is heard.
 

tisza

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  • Mar 28, 2018
  • #879
Got to be one of the most expensive bans ever - both had 1.9m dollar IPL contracts for this season.
 

Esoterica

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  • Mar 28, 2018
  • #880
tisza said:
Got to be one of the most expensive bans ever - both had 1.9m dollar IPL contracts for this season.
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$1.9m dollars would have bought a lot of sandpaper!
 

eastwoodsdustman

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  • Mar 28, 2018
  • #881
I’m sure Warner will be negotiating with the board to buy his silence.
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 28, 2018
  • #882
I_Saw_Shaw_Score said:
The ICC only banned Smith for 1 game and no match bans for the other 2!
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The ICC punishments are a joke and surely now will have to be looked at. In the same series they tried to ban Rabada for 2 games for this until he lawyered up:
Realistically if you're getting hammered in a series and cheating is only a 1 match ban for 1 or 2 players everyone is going to be at it.
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Mar 28, 2018
  • #883
I think Lehmann has been excluded from the initial bans to emphasise that he wasn't aware of the sandpaper (hmmm...). However, I don't expect him to last their 'cultural review'. CA would be a laughing stock if they kept the person in charge who fostered the whole toxic win at all costs culture. Dizzy or Langer will be brought in, both very well respected. Boof had plenty of history to start with, so what did they really expect to happen...
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 28, 2018
  • #884
England and Wales Cricket Board to 'review' Glamorgan payment
 

I_Saw_Shaw_Score

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #885

Wow that could be some tail with no Woakes!

Vince back in for last chance saloon #58336
Why not get Livingstone in and live on front vince.
Stokes unable to bowl (if that is the case will they have to play Wood/Overton and Leach)

Be interesting to see which 2 they go with out of Wood/Overton/Leach if not all 3.

I guess you’d have to go Leach as a spinner, I’d rather have Overton for his batting but Wood is the media choice as he can bowl quick but hasn’t been in any form for a while!
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #886
The tail starts at number one.

Harsh on Woakes has a bad test gets left out where Broad has a bad year and loses the new ball in a warm up game until he and his buddy Anderson have a moan and he gets it back for the test.

I wouldn’t even have taken Livingstone on tour.


I expect Overton will be left out of the 12
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #887
Sandpaper gate continues it came as no surprise the main criminal was Warner, I can’t believe the bowlers didn’t know .

I can’t see why the ecb are taking so long over Bancroft he should be banned already.
 

tisza

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #888
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Sandpaper gate continues it came as no surprise the main criminal was Warner, I can’t believe the bowlers didn’t know .

I can’t see why the ecb are taking so long over Bancroft he should be banned already.
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Others in the set-up have to have known.
Whether they were willing participants or just kept quiet is another issue.
All points to the unhealthy culture in the side which either Smith & Lehmann encouraged or just chose to overlook.
 
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Otis

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #889
And now poor Steve Smith breaks down in tears at his press conference.

You do have to feel sorry for the little mite don't you, bless.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #890
Otis said:
And now poor Steve Smith breaks down in tears at his press conference.
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Love how some former aussie players are getting worked up about Smiths 'treatment'. They've never been slow dishing it out but don't seem to like anything coming back at them.
 
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MusicDating

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #891
chiefdave said:
Love how some former aussie players are getting worked up about Smiths 'treatment'. They've never been slow dishing it out but don't seem to like anything coming back at them.
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Like all bullies...
 
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I_Saw_Shaw_Score

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #892
Just watched the Smith conference and it’s fair to say he will not be cheating in a similar manner again....

Hopefully others will also think!
 

Covstu

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #893
I_Saw_Shaw_Score said:
Just watched the Smith conference and it’s fair to say he will not be cheating in a similar manner again....

Hopefully others will also think!
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I think this showed who was pulling the strings and it wasn't Smithy. Whilst I have no sympathy for him or Bancroft for that matter as they are old enough to know better and stand up against Warner or Lehmann, I am gutted for him as a cricketer. Full of admiration of his abilities and showed what a captain can do in the ashes.
 

I_Saw_Shaw_Score

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #894
Lehmann gone now.
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #895
Covstu said:
I think this showed who was pulling the strings and it wasn't Smithy.
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Heard Gillespie talking about it on R5 and he basically said Smith can be a bit naive and easily let. It certainly wasn't Bancroft who instigated it so you're looking at Warner and / or Lehmann.
 
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henry the wasp

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #896
No pity for Smith. He was quick enough to hang Bancroft out to dry in the first press conference.
What about when he was looking to the balcony for drs decisions against india.
 
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lifeskyblue

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #897
Whilst I don’t pity them I do think the ‘stink’ re this is a little manufactured. They were stupid and ‘got found out’. I don’t for one minute think this is the first time the Aussies have done this and for that matter believe all the teams have done the same or similar. I’m sure England bowlers have illegally roughed up the ball. A few years ago there was suspicions. And of course there have been numerous match fixing allegations.
On a similar note I think all ‘top class’ sport is blighted today by individuals/teams attempting to gain advantage illegally. Cycling is well documented as is athletics but I suspect other sports fall into this also.


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I_Saw_Shaw_Score

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #898
 
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chiefdave

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #899
lifeskyblue said:
Whilst I don’t pity them I do think the ‘stink’ re this is a little manufactured. They were stupid and ‘got found out’. I don’t for one minute think this is the first time the Aussies have done this and for that matter believe all the teams have done the same or similar.
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The difference here is they sat down and had a meeting planning to do it. Its deliberate pre-meditated cheating. From a side that has long made a lot of noise about the behaviour of other sides.
 
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I_Saw_Shaw_Score

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #900
chiefdave said:
The difference here is they sat down and had a meeting planning to do it. Its deliberate pre-meditated cheating. From a side that has long made a lot of noise about the behaviour of other sides.
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Exactly and as recently as the Test match before!
 

tisza

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #901
Sutherland will be gone in a couple of months. Can't endorse Lehmann's tenure like that when obviously broader problems in Aussie camp.
Personally think Lehmann's gotten away with it using players' plight as his excuse.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #902
I_Saw_Shaw_Score said:
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The correct decision but I don’t think he should have been offered one in the first place and they shouldn’t just replace with another Aussie
 
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Covstu

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #903
chiefdave said:
The difference here is they sat down and had a meeting planning to do it. Its deliberate pre-meditated cheating. From a side that has long made a lot of noise about the behaviour of other sides.
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As usual there are degrees of cheating or ‘gaining an advantage’. The whole eating sweets, shining the ball are pushing limits but are deemed acceptable however if you have brought something out to rub on the ball it’s a deliberate premeditated attempt to gain that advantage
 
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I_Saw_Shaw_Score

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #904
Vince is back in at 3
Leach debuts I think he’ll do alright.

But that tail Broad 8
Leach,Wood and Anderson are all 11’s
 

eastwoodsdustman

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  • Mar 29, 2018
  • #905
Cook out again playing back to a full ball. Dont they learn.
 

Otis

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #906
Looks like we could triple our first innings score from the first test, which would be absolutely amazing.

Hats off to the English batsmen for such a great feat.
 
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Otis

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #907
Now that's miles better!!

Were 164/7. Now 246/7.

Previously were 93/3, 94/4, 94/5!!

Really needed that recovery. Wood on 48!! Barstow on 69.
 

I_Saw_Shaw_Score

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #908
Fair play Bairstow and Wood.

Failures all round again though.
 
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tisza

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #909
I_Saw_Shaw_Score said:
Fair play Bairstow and Wood.

Failures all round again though.
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Still all goes back to weak selection practices for last summer's Tests & persistence with batsmen who can't build an innings.
All this is on the back of squeezing similar type batsmen into a long order rather than having a strong top 5/6.
Ali experiment foundering when he doesn't get runs and his spin bowling not up to Test level. Can't "get away" with it when side aren't scoring big runs and he has the runs to work with.
 

Covstu

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  • Mar 30, 2018
  • #910
Otis said:
Now that's miles better!!

Were 164/7. Now 246/7.

Previously were 93/3, 94/4, 94/5!!

Really needed that recovery. Wood on 48!! Barstow on 69.
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Same old same old though isn’t it? Top order again 70% chance of poor innings with a small chance of a decent knock.
 
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