dongonzalos
Well-Known Member
Moff I applaud you for attempting reasoned debate.
Rather than, wum, attention seeker and absolute bollox, when faced points that are bloody hard to disagree with.
OK, just a couple of points.
First and foremost what regeneration around the stadium? have you a source? as I am yet to hear of the proposals.
Where do you base 10 million a year revenue from?
How will Wasps moving in create 200 jobs?
As I see it, its a disgrace that the ground was never purchased by SISU.
I also feel that its strange that those who said ACL is such a viable buisness when the club left, have suddently claimed the Council had no option but to sell. Why if it was a profitable business?
I also think its hypocricy in the extreme by the Council to sell to a club that is moving miles from its base, when it regularly entered the press to call for CCFC to come home when we moved to Northampton as the Club belonged in its 'home' city (as it should bloody well be) and also sued Northampton over it allowing CCFC to move there.
I know people will disagree, but I cant understand this sudden acceptance that high profile (not that high) Wasps are going to make a difference to the Ricoh and the City. They are pretty poorly supported as it is, and I can see there crowds quickly dwindle as the novelty wears off, watching another mid to lower league team, just in a different sport.
Whilst I cant wait to see the back of SISU I also cant understand the desire of some on the site to see Wasps take over the club, as already despising and being highly suspicious of secretive owners that are prepared to move the club from its home base, why would we want another who have done exactly the same?
The figures were as I thought you may realise hypothetical.
If the council did not do the deal with Wasps on the basis that SISU 'may' against everything they are saying change their minds and buy ACL.
They go ahead as they maintain and build a stadium outside Coventry.
People have said that ACL just needs to break even in order to not be distressed. Their books suggest they were doing just that.
However the charity always maintained it did but want t be there for the long haul.
Wasps have said they will build a new training facility. That creates jobs.
They have talked about developing the land as well.
The council gave a figure of the estimated revenue to the city when wasps played a few games before.
My point is that someone will bring all this up and the council will get slaughtered if SISU build the new stadium and North Warwickshire get all the increase in jobs, revenue and profile.
Whilst the Ricoh continues to break even or makes small profit.
The council will get lambasted with the figures if what they turned down.
Why did they turn it down because they did not believe what SISU kept telling them over and over again
On here we have repeatedly been told no one else will put a sports team in the Ricoh.
If that is the case this is a freak opportunity that will not be repeated.
Most just understand the council had no choice.
SISU had a real choice (unless the money isn't there)
OK, just a couple of points.
First and foremost what regeneration around the stadium? have you a source? as I am yet to hear of the proposals.
Where do you base 10 million a year revenue from?
How will Wasps moving in create 200 jobs?
As I see it, its a disgrace that the ground was never purchased by SISU.
I also feel that its strange that those who said ACL is such a viable buisness when the club left, have suddently claimed the Council had no option but to sell. Why if it was a profitable business?
I also think its hypocricy in the extreme by the Council to sell to a club that is moving miles from its base, when it regularly entered the press to call for CCFC to come home when we moved to Northampton as the Club belonged in its 'home' city (as it should bloody well be) and also sued Northampton over it allowing CCFC to move there.
I know people will disagree, but I cant understand this sudden acceptance that high profile (not that high) Wasps are going to make a difference to the Ricoh and the City. They are pretty poorly supported as it is, and I can see there crowds quickly dwindle as the novelty wears off, watching another mid to lower league team, just in a different sport.
Whilst I cant wait to see the back of SISU I also cant understand the desire of some on the site to see Wasps take over the club, as already despising and being highly suspicious of secretive owners that are prepared to move the club from its home base, why would we want another who have done exactly the same?
Of course the Wasps offer was better. It existed and survived for longer than Fisher did his Homer Simpson money-with-cymbals-n-his-head impression for. The SISU 'bid' was without candour compared to the one now accepted.
And the council have exercised their lawful responsibility to the totality of their electorate. 97% never come to watch the football club at The Ricoh. As such, the council's deal bears fiduciary responsibility to the vast majority of the people it serves and who don't watch football 'live'.
Especially given the backdrop of the football club's owners incessant and habitual failure to exercise its options toward ownership, and assertion it preferred to build anew. A fact you just don't want to face up to, or seemingly judge as harshly as you will the council
Ha ha nice wumming.
Hope you like league one and championship football, you're going to be watching for long time.
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97% never came to watch football at the Ricoh................what a fucking load of rubbish. The support levels percentage wise are poor but 6-7000 of those fans minimum are floating which means true 'Supporters' all be it irregular probably number 50% plus surrounding areas ?!
97% never came to watch football at the Ricoh................what a fucking load of rubbish. The support levels percentage wise are poor but 6-7000 of those fans minimum are floating which means true 'Supporters' all be it irregular probably number 50% plus surrounding areas ?!
Who was "claiming" on here that ACL was a viable business?
I'd suggest that a rather smaller proportion of the populace want to watch Wasps "live" either in their home or ours to be honest.
Though there are a few unprincipled souls who will appreciate it i expect, just not enough to make them viable.
True colours being shown by some now Ashdown.
The figures were as I thought you may realise hypothetical.
If the council did not do the deal with Wasps on the basis that SISU 'may' against everything they are saying change their minds and buy ACL.
They go ahead as they maintain and build a stadium outside Coventry.
People have said that ACL just needs to break even in order to not be distressed. Their books suggest they were doing just that.
However the charity always maintained it did but want t be there for the long haul.
Wasps have said they will build a new training facility. That creates jobs.
They have talked about developing the land as well.
The council gave a figure of the estimated revenue to the city when wasps played a few games before.
My point is that someone will bring all this up and the council will get slaughtered if SISU build the new stadium and North Warwickshire get all the increase in jobs, revenue and profile.
Whilst the Ricoh continues to break even or makes small profit.
The council will get lambasted with the figures if what they turned down.
Why did they turn it down because they did not believe what SISU kept telling them over and over again
On here we have repeatedly been told no one else will put a sports team in the Ricoh.
If that is the case this is a freak opportunity that will not be repeated.
Most just understand the council had no choice.
SISU had a real choice (unless the money isn't there)
The figures were as I thought you may realise hypothetical.
If the council did not do the deal with Wasps on the basis that SISU 'may' against everything they are saying change their minds and buy ACL.
They go ahead as they maintain and build a stadium outside Coventry.
People have said that ACL just needs to break even in order to not be distressed. Their books suggest they were doing just that.
However the charity always maintained it did but want t be there for the long haul.
Wasps have said they will build a new training facility. That creates jobs.
They have talked about developing the land as well.
The council gave a figure of the estimated revenue to the city when wasps played a few games before.
My point is that someone will bring all this up and the council will get slaughtered if SISU build the new stadium and North Warwickshire get all the increase in jobs, revenue and profile.
Whilst the Ricoh continues to break even or makes small profit.
The council will get lambasted with the figures if what they turned down.
Why did they turn it down because they did not believe what SISU kept telling them over and over again
On here we have repeatedly been told no one else will put a sports team in the Ricoh.
If that is the case this is a freak opportunity that will not be repeated.
Most just understand the council had no choice.
SISU had a real choice (unless the money isn't there)
Yes; like the one's who won't judge our club's owners for refusing to take up their option of buying into the club; and insisting on this farce of building anew (the net result which has been hugely to the detriment of CCFC); whilst saving the vast majority of their scorn for the council.....
Yes; like the one's who won't judge our club's owners for refusing to take up their option of buying into the club; and insisting on this farce of building anew (the net result which has been hugely to the detriment of CCFC); whilst saving the vast majority of their scorn for the council.....
Who was "claiming" on here that ACL was a viable business? My memory is that OSB analysed their last available set of books when they came out and the facts spoke for themselves. No claiming was required. The facts aren't in dispute. Well apart from Grendulls "accountant".
You could also (if you want to) take Mr Fishers words of wisdom "you don't sell at the bottom of the cycle" perhaps CCC took this on board and decided that ACL was at the top of the cycle.
Truth is no one on here will have any idea what state ACL is in at the point of sale until the relevant accounts become available to view. So it's not really a point anyone can use to form a factual argument at the moment.
The hypocrisy of the sale is undeniable. So I'm not going to deny it.
I've always really respected your opinions and your loyal support and contribution into CCFC. I have always been in total alliance with your views and understanding on the SISU situation too, who lets face it are highly culpable in all of this, however your obvious rapid support and acceptance of this immoral franchise due to your historical rugby affiliations is disappointing if not demoralising. We all know who is to blame for this shit but to turn turtle on the Coventry teams is traitorous to say the least !
The option of buying into the Stadium(not club) was refused by Higgs, though better than what has been offered now by Wasps.
You're a shameless stooge and shill.
So when you said The Ricoh was worth £60 million you were wumming for England?
Now I see you are wumming for Europe.
Ann Lucas did.
AL has an account on here?
The option of buying into the Stadium(not club) was refused by Higgs, though better than what has been offered now by Wasps.
You're a shameless stooge and shill.
So when you said The Ricoh was worth £60 million you were wumming for England?
Now I see you are wumming for Europe.
As I say those who struggle to argue with the point turn to wum comments.
The Ricoh cost 130 million to build. So 60 million for it would be a bargain.
How was the offer you suggest better?
Would it surprise you if she did?
My money's on her being RFC btw.
Would it surprise you if she did?
My money's on her being RFC btw.
No it wouldn't surprise me at all. I thought Grendull had ruled out RFC because they have a mutual friend who confirmed he's a genuine fan?
The RICOH cost 130 million -- are you sure?
Typo 113 million
So yes 60 million would be a bargain
Coventry council tax payers will have to meet the £2.9m overspend costs of building the £113m Ricoh Arena. Most of the over budget costs were incurred in speeding up building work to meet a revised opening date. A meeting of the city council on Tuesday is set to approve using council reserves to pay the added costs.
Ricoh Arena overspend costs £2.9m - BBC News
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk.../5120826.stm
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