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  • Thread starter Sky Blue Pete
  • Start date Jan 15, 2020
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Do you full support the statement from our online community

  • Fully support the statement

    Votes: 368 98.7%
  • Not in my name thank you

    Votes: 5 1.3%

  • Total voters
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  • Poll closed Jan 20, 2020.
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mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #736
Grendel said:
He’s still our representative on the FSA
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Yeah, I know that. It's confusing how they let that happen. That aside, there should still be a vacancy on the trust board, I've not seen any replacement announced.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #737
Grendel said:
The wording of that clause is pretty odd isn’t it? Everyone has to raise exactly the same motion (which yes can be done) and then the board arrange a special meeting.

There’s nothing that requires them to put that date on a communication platform either from what I can see
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The only thing I can remember (and it was only a quick scan) was that all members need to be informed of meetings two weeks before the meeting I think.
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #738
Grendel said:
He’s still our representative on the FSA
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Can there be two Club Supporter Groups on the FSA?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #739
oldfiver said:
Can there be two Club Supporter Groups on the FSA?
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Dont think so.
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #740
shmmeee said:
Dont think so.
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https://thefsa.org.uk/wp-content/up...-Football-Supporters-Organisation-Limited.pdf
Section 10.3 ?
 

Irish Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #741
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Just a few points and these come from someone that signed up more people for the Trust than anyone else.
1. Why have the Trust not asked for additional subscriptions after the original £1.00 to join?
2. How many of the “membership” would pay even £1.00 now for continued membership?
3. How many meetings whether you agree with the formats or not of meetings have been held since the move to Birmingham?
4. Why do you think the Trust will not criticise CCC or Wasps?
Just a few questions I have more but enough to be getting on with. I have my answers which are
1 Because they would be embarrassed
with the number
2 probably not more than 100
3 Don’t think there has been 1
4 They think they can have some sort of influence I we go back to the Ricoh and SISU go.
The Trust can only be credible if they stick with the number originally claimed.
The Trust at one time did speak for me, unfortunately no longer.
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I would agree with this.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #742
oldfiver said:
Can there be two Club Supporter Groups on the FSA?
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Still think we'd be better off moving the existing trust in the right direction. That may mean changes of board members as some are maybe too entrenched. Don't necessarily need a complete change to enforce a change of direction. Key things are opening up meetings and voting into something in keeping with 2020. Key to the trust should also be reopening lines of communication with the club.

We don't want to get into a Judean People's Front / People's Front of Judea situation.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #743
oldfiver said:
https://thefsa.org.uk/wp-content/up...-Football-Supporters-Organisation-Limited.pdf
Section 10.3 ?
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The relevant bit would be what’s needed to be a Supporters Trust. That’s the bit I’m fairly sure you can only have one of. And only Trusts can be affiliates from my reading of thag.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #744
mark82 said:
Still think we'd be better off moving the existing trust in the right direction. That may mean changes of board members as some are maybe too entrenched. Don't necessarily need a complete change to enforce a change of direction. Key things are opening up meetings and voting into something in keeping with 2020. Key to the trust should also be reopening lines of communication with the club.

We don't want to get into a Judean People's Front / People's Front of Judea situation.
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I do fear the club wont ever engage with the trust under these owners as the bridges have been burned
 

Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #745
mark82 said:
Yeah, I know that. It's confusing how they let that happen. That aside, there should still be a vacancy on the trust board, I've not seen any replacement announced.
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They said there were 6 vacancies & 6 valid nominations.
After it was repeatedly pointed out to them about the questionable characters of Ellis & Kalns neither is ultimately on the board (apparently).

Therefore there should be 2 vacancies still.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #746
Frostie said:
They said there were 6 vacancies & 6 valid nominations.
After it was repeatedly pointed out to them about the questionable characters of Ellis & Kalns neither is ultimately on the board (apparently).

Therefore there should be 2 vacancies still.
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Good point.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #747
Sky Blue Pete said:
I do fear the club wont ever engage with the trust under these owners as the bridges have been burned
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I think they would if different personnel were involved.
 
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MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #748
Grendel said:
He’s still our representative on the FSA
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You only need to be a member of a Trust to represent that Trust, not a board member (though I suspect that's not the norm)

Neil or the Trust won't reply to my question about whether Mr Ellis is still a member of the Trust.

With his background, I certainly don't want him representing my club at the FSA.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #749
MusicDating said:
You only need to be a member of a Trust to represent that Trust, not a board member (though I suspect that's not the norm)

Neil or the Trust won't reply to my question about whether Mr Ellis is still a member of the Trust.

With his background, I certainly don't want him representing my club at the FSA.
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I'm sure he'll still be a member of the Trust, and I don't think he could have his membership removed.
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #750
mark82 said:
I'm sure he'll still be a member of the Trust, and I don't think he could have his membership removed.
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It was more that they told us he'd resigned - Sky Blue Trust - The Sky Blue Trust Accept The Resignation of Secretary Roger Ellis
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #751
mark82 said:
I'm sure he'll still be a member of the Trust, and I don't think he could have his membership removed.
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I’m sure his role is unchanged
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #752
mark82 said:
I think they would if different personnel were involved.
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Vacant board positions outside an AGM are appointed by recommendation of other board members. That’s how Kakns rocked up in the first place
 

mr_monkey

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #753
MusicDating said:
You only need to be a member of a Trust to represent that Trust, not a board member (though I suspect that's not the norm)

Neil or the Trust won't reply to my question about whether Mr Ellis is still a member of the Trust.

With his background, I certainly don't want him representing my club at the FSA.
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I messaged the FSA about it and didn't receive a reply
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #754
Neil has stated that in the interviews given this week the interviewer only wanted to know about the atmosphere at St Andrews so it was not appropriate to mention the indemnity
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #755
Grendel said:
Neil has stated that in the interviews given this week the interviewer only wanted to know about the atmosphere at St Andrews so it was not appropriate to mention the indemnity
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Daft ape so that was an up to date article!!!!! Bloody hell
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #756
Grendel said:
Neil has stated that in the interviews given this week the interviewer only wanted to know about the atmosphere at St Andrews so it was not appropriate to mention the indemnity
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Oh dear.
Tying himself up in knots again?
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #757
shmmeee said:
The relevant bit would be what’s needed to be a Supporters Trust. That’s the bit I’m fairly sure you can only have one of. And only Trusts can be affiliates from my reading of thag.
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Why cannot you be a "Supporters Group" ?
Just asking
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #758
oldfiver said:
Why cannot you be a "Supporters Group" ?
Just asking
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There's already loads of them, to be fair.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #759
oldfiver said:
Why cannot you be a "Supporters Group" ?
Just asking
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They aren’t treated the same. Saw something about five votes per affiliate and one per associate or something.
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #760
mr_monkey said:
I messaged the FSA about it and didn't receive a reply
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Networks - Football Supporters' Association
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #761
shmmeee said:
They aren’t treated the same. Saw something about five votes per affiliate and one per associate or something.
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Isnt that just for voting on the FSA issues?

Does it imply a CCFC Supporters Group can be a member ( in some form ) and speak
What are the advantages of being in the FSA - have we seen or been told of any?
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #762
Grendel said:
Neil has stated that in the interviews given this week the interviewer only wanted to know about the atmosphere at St Andrews so it was not appropriate to mention the indemnity
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Christ, he really thinks he's a cut above and everyone else is an idiot. Absolute prick
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #763
MusicDating said:
It was more that they told us he'd resigned - Sky Blue Trust - The Sky Blue Trust Accept The Resignation of Secretary Roger Ellis
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Resigned from the board, not resigned membership. A lot of us are members, he's no different.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #764
mark82 said:
Resigned from the board, not resigned membership. A lot of us are members, he's no different.
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Are you really that dumb?
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #765
shmmeee said:
The relevant bit would be what’s needed to be a Supporters Trust. That’s the bit I’m fairly sure you can only have one of. And only Trusts can be affiliates from my reading of thag.
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We should only need one. Again, we don't need multiple factions, we just need change within the current trust and there are some fairly simple things that could be done to change it.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #766
Grendel said:
Are you really that dumb?
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There's no evidence of him still being on the board. I'm not one for conspiracy theories.

Now, if you are asking if he still has influence, that's a different question. Its entirely possible he could have influence as one of what I assume is a handful of people who attend trust meetings.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #767
Grendel said:
Are you really that dumb?
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You really are just a vindictive little c**t.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #768
mark82 said:
There's no evidence of him still being on the board. I'm not one for conspiracy theories.

Now, if you are asking if he still has influence, that's a different question. Its entirely possible he could have influence as one of what I assume is a handful of people who attend trust meetings.
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He never goes to meetings - he lives In Manchester
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #769
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
You really are just a vindictive little c**t.
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I'm a big boy. It doesn't bother me.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jan 24, 2020
  • #770
Grendel said:
He never goes to meetings - he lives In Manchester
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Fair enough. Still, there's no evidence he's still on the board. Undoubtedly he'll know many of the current board members. I don't know if he still communicates with them or undertakes any activities. We're all just guessing.
 
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