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Test series against India is off to a fantastic start. Four ducks in our first innings alone...
 

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First 200 in the hundred by Northern Superchargers, helped by some absolutely awful fielding from Manchester. So many dropped catches.
 

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Watching the test today Sam Curran is nowhere near a test bowler (should get five tomorrow now), both of the Curran’s are over rated
 

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Watching the test today Sam Curran is nowhere near a test bowler (should get five tomorrow now), both of the Curran’s are over rated
Both Currans are all about limited overs cricket. That's their forte. And that's the big problem with our test side, our focus has been so much on limited overs cricket our test side is paying the price.

I don’t fancy our chances in the Ashes, especially with Stokes taking time away.
 

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Both Currans are all about limited overs cricket. That's their forte. And that's the big problem with our test side, our focus has been so much on limited overs cricket our test side is paying the price.

I don’t fancy our chances in the Ashes, especially with Stokes taking time away.
I don’t even think Tom is that great in the limited overs either. This attack desperately needed Chris Woakes today.
 

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Watching the test today Sam Curran is nowhere near a test bowler (should get five tomorrow now), both of the Curran’s are over rated
He's a lower order batsmen who can bowl a bit. For someone bowling at around 80 mph he lacks a surprising amount of consistency in both line and length. Think his lack of height limits him more in red ball cricket.
But Lords yesterday should have good conditions for a left armer looking to bring it back into right handers.
But again he's playing because Stokes and Woakes are out.
Tom Curran - said it before on here - bang average in UK conditions.
 

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I don’t even think Tom is that great in the limited overs either. This attack desperately needed Chris Woakes today.
Real shame woakes wasn’t fit, very good record at Lords (and in England in general)

Sam Curran’s had some decent matches at Test level but expected more of him yesterday....bit of swing, should’ve been right up his street.

Jimmy delivers again. WTF are we going to do without him ?! Hopefully Root and Bairstow can add a fair few in the morning. Good to see Burns get some runs, Sibley is surely getting towards last chance saloon (before a breather)
 

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Jimmy delivers again. WTF are we going to do without him ?! Hopefully Root and Bairstow can add a fair few in the morning. Good to see Burns get some runs, Sibley is surely getting towards last chance saloon (before a breather)
Anderson is just a pleasure to watch. Can't believe he's nearly 40.
Sibley highlighting problem of current calender. Sandwiching nearly all white ball cricket between 2 Test series not helping the Test side at all. Sibley needed county cricket to sort his confidence out as Test teams have worked him out.
Going into a Test series against a strong side and the players ( and potential replacements) are going in cold. Odds on another white ball shot getting Bairstow and Ali out tomorrow????
 

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2 ridiculous stats from BBC Sport from this morning

- Dom Sibley's was the 10th duck by an opener in a calendar year for England - the most by any team.
- That is the first time ever in a home Test match that both England openers have been out for a duck.
 

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Over a prolonged period Sibley has to be the worst opener I can remember in test cricket - must be his last game now
 

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This team needs to toughen up. Mentally weak and Root needs captaincy lessons. Kohli has that "nasty" side when he's on the field.
Bowlers and Root looked lost in that period before lunch.
But an abject batting performance. Was that 3 or 4 1st ballers in the match?
Problem is with no red ball cricket going on what changes can you make.
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory seems appropriate
 
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Only the second time ever in test cricket a team has declared on the final day and won
 

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i like the durham shirts would look lush as a polo
 

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The Oval invincibles women what a horrible team in the image of their captain.
 

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But they kept Curran in a bloke who’s only use us to get the shine off the ball.
hes took 45 test wickets in 23 games. It’s not that bad and his batting average is almost the same as Sibley
 

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So less than a wicket per innings. Not what you’d want from your left arm seamer.
he’s usually deployed as a 4th seamer it’s really not that bad and he can score runs in what is a fragile batting line up
 

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hes took 45 test wickets in 23 games. It’s not that bad and his batting average is almost the same as Sibley
He has opened the bowling in a recent game, he isn’t quick enough and his action is low so gets little bounce, there are better bowlers in county cricket Garton is a better bet than him. If he had a sex change he would just about be the quickest in that game.

You are comparing apples and pears using Sibley try Woakes instead.
 

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He has opened the bowling in a recent game, he isn’t quick enough and his action is low so gets little bounce, there are better bowlers in county cricket Garton is a better bet than him. If he had a sex change he would just about be the quickest in that game.

You are comparing apples and pears using Sibley try Woakes instead.
Tbf he was identified early in county cricket as someone who was supposed to end up being a batsman who could bowl a bit.
His white ball cricket (where he can use variations etc) is based on batsmen attacking him to get his wickets.
His red ball bowling struggles desperately with consistency and he doesn't apply enough pressure to get wickets. Not a prolific wicket taker in county cricket.
But I think he in particular suffers from too much white ball cricket. Playing IPL rather than learning in county cricket.
His Test runs for England were more at the beginning of his career.
But all these things get magnified by the consistent failure of England top 3 to get enough runs. Then you still have to balance whether it is more important to have a number 8 who might get 30 runs or the 4 th bowler who can be a proper wicket taking threat.
 

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Tbf he was identified early in county cricket as someone who was supposed to end up being a batsman who could bowl a bit.
His white ball cricket (where he can use variations etc) is based on batsmen attacking him to get his wickets.
His red ball bowling struggles desperately with consistency and he doesn't apply enough pressure to get wickets. Not a prolific wicket taker in county cricket.
But I think he in particular suffers from too much white ball cricket. Playing IPL rather than learning in county cricket.
His Test runs for England were more at the beginning of his career.
But all these things get magnified by the consistent failure of England top 3 to get enough runs. Then you still have to balance whether it is more important to have a number 8 who might get 30 runs or the 4 th bowler who can be a proper wicket taking threat.
I think taking wickets is more important as they are still to reliant on Anderson and Broad takes his wickets in clusters. Curran will be pointless for n Australia. The top order are there to get the runs and shouldn’t be relying on the number eight. I think that some of these players don’t get dropped back into county cricket as they wouldn’t even excel there and then they have no way back.
 

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He has opened the bowling in a recent game, he isn’t quick enough and his action is low so gets little bounce, there are better bowlers in county cricket Garton is a better bet than him. If he had a sex change he would just about be the quickest in that game.

You are comparing apples and pears using Sibley try Woakes instead.
Woakes can only bowl with English conditions. His averages abroad are poor and I suspect his batting average in the last few years has also sharply declined
 

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Woakes can only bowl with English conditions. His averages abroad are poor and I suspect his batting average in the last few years has also sharply declined
Curran can’t even bowl in English conditions, Woakes has been misused by England as he is a nice bloke.
 

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Curran can’t even bowl in English conditions, Woakes has been misused by England as he is a nice bloke.
Im sure they are looking at an ashes squad and despite the strengths Woakes has in English conditions he averages 16 with the bat abroad has a worse bowling average than Joe Root overseas and is 32
 

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Im sure they are looking at an ashes squad and despite the strengths Woakes has in English conditions he averages 16 with the bat abroad has a worse bowling average than Joe Root overseas and is 32
If they are worried about the ashes series now they should be getting in Garton and the other quicks, as Curran will be a 1 for 145 type bowler in Australia.
 

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If they are worried about the ashes series now they should be getting in Garton and the other quicks, as Curran will be a 1 for 145 type bowler in Australia.
Agree. Think Sam Curran would be pure fodder on Australian pitches.
Not sure Woakes overseas record is relevant as he's missed most of the recent tours through injury.
Sure I touted Garton on here last year. Got genuine pace and can bat pretty well.
Ashes success going to be about a much tougher mental approach ( like India showed there) . As it stands now we're not going to score enough runs to worry about who the 4 th bowler is.