I would say apart from Wilson they were all very poor goalkeepers. What are any of them doing now. How do you know they regressed, they all came from lower league teams and we’re not up to championship level.
Aled Williams & John Dempster (7 Viewers)
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TomRad85
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The summer of the Gyok/Hamer sales, spending so much across the team but just 500k or whatever it was for Brad Collins was a slightly odd call.
Sick Boy
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Unlike Wilson, Marosi actually plays regular first team football and Moore is backup for a PL club.
TomRad85
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Sorry Marosi was our title winning keeper while Wilson sat on the bench. He'd have probably been a serviceable keeper at this level if things had been different. The most disrespected member of our title winners by far. Better than Wilson and remembered fondly by me.
clint van damme
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By watching them every week.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The whole concept of signing Barnsley’s defence overall was a slightly odd call given that it was a L1 playoff defence.
TomRad85
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Ironically I think Andersen was our first choice but we've done well out of Thomas and Kitching really. Worked out ok.
Hobo
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Perhaps because they are no more than League One level keepers or just suited to a back up role; rather than exposure week in week out over the course of a season, where their weaknesses eventually come to the surface and get exposed.
clint van damme
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while I could see that being the case in some instances Moore and Wilson were decent over a fairly long spell.
I know Moore had some personal issues and I think Wilson was much better in his golden gloves season than people give him credit for
fernandopartridge
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The two centre backs were signed because of their individual capability, not because they played for a league 1 play off team.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The plan was to sign Barnsley’s back 3 plus Collins wasn’t it? So it was the unit we were in for as much as the individuals.
Hobo
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I think Moore was definitely off field personal issues. I have always thought Wilson was over criticised, however he does have a mistake in him. I never saw Collins as an upgrade, far from it. I think a lot of people convinced themselves he would be then wouldn't back track on it, when he lost form.
Even really top goalkeepers can have a collapse in confidence and form. It's the nature of the position. Outfield players can have a mare but it won't necessarily cost the team goals and the match. Goalkeepers mistakes tend to result in goals conceded.
When you look at how our backroom staff has changed, if Williams was half as bad as people are making out I don't think he would still be here.
fernandopartridge
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That's speculation and most likely not true given that
1. Barnsley played with 3 at the back and the other player they had went to Luton
2. Thomas was signed once Burnley priced us out of Luke McNally
“I’d usually catch these….but Aled is telling me to palm it straight to the closest opposition player instead….better do what he says”
Brighton Sky Blue
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Happy to be corrected, thought Saddle said otherwise at the time.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Maybe Collins didn’t respond well to training because he…..wasn’t very good?
Either that or Aled was staying committed to the principles of Operation Don’t Save Anything because he’d misread a UEFA training textbook.
Brighton Sky Blue
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clint van damme
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I agree about him still being here, I'm sure Lampard would have replaced him if he wasn't satisfied.
The Philosopher
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Maybe an outdated opinion:
Other than saying that “he was a talented goalkeeper in his day” on his own LinkedIn profile, I can’t find who Aled Williams actually played for.
Coaching badges are one thing, but is that enough without top level actual experience?
Players often enjoy / benefit from having coaches or managers who can say “been there, done it, understand your mindset” etc.
Lampard is revered because he can say that. Plus he’s been coached by the best and players know that. I’m sure that when he speaks, not many are going to say “what does he know?”
MR had Man U, Ferguson, playing abroad etc to cite.
WRT goalkeeper coaches, it’d be hard to say that Oggy hadn’t “been there”, he could point to his Liverpool days for a start.
WRT Williams, he might have all the coupons but will any of the keepers he’s tried to develop actually revere / respect him enough?
As I said, might be an outdated opinion but there it is.
Other than saying that “he was a talented goalkeeper in his day” on his own LinkedIn profile, I can’t find who Aled Williams actually played for.
Coaching badges are one thing, but is that enough without top level actual experience?
Players often enjoy / benefit from having coaches or managers who can say “been there, done it, understand your mindset” etc.
Lampard is revered because he can say that. Plus he’s been coached by the best and players know that. I’m sure that when he speaks, not many are going to say “what does he know?”
MR had Man U, Ferguson, playing abroad etc to cite.
WRT goalkeeper coaches, it’d be hard to say that Oggy hadn’t “been there”, he could point to his Liverpool days for a start.
WRT Williams, he might have all the coupons but will any of the keepers he’s tried to develop actually revere / respect him enough?
As I said, might be an outdated opinion but there it is.
Skybluedownunder
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I believe he also covers set piece which we are also shit at defending
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procdoc
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Rushworth literally credited Williams on Saturday after the match for the work he’s done with him in training.
If he wasn’t any good Lampard would have replaced him
clint van damme
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Does he do set piece attack and defence?
I know he got some praise, quite recently when we scored from one but didn't know if he also works on them from the defensive side.
Skybluedownunder
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Unsure mate, I thought he covered Goalkeepers, Defence & Set pieces but I could be wrong.
If he was covering that side of the pitch I would assume it would be defending set pieces more than scoring them.
I guess though you set up both your attacking and defensive teams doing a training drill so one attacks the other sort of thing
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The reality is that no-one really knows
rob9872
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Nothing wrong with our coaches and bar the odd error, nothing much wrong with lots of players too and I'd also add scouts into that list. When things are going well there is no mention of them, any blip and we're all guilty of looking for somewhere to blame from the players, to the coaching, recruitment and even at times the owner. It's reactionary nonsense most of the time, but I'll bet there isn't a poster on here who isn't guilty of it. Sometimes I think we're looking for a reason where there isn't one and should just hold our hands up and say "yeah, it was crap today".
Hobo
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I would include Robins and King in that as well.
fernandopartridge
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I think it's often the case that trying to find a pass is so indoctrinated into players now that just wellying it away even in the last minute of a match isn't seen as an option