I would say apart from Wilson they were all very poor goalkeepers. What are any of them doing now. How do you know they regressed, they all came from lower league teams and we’re not up to championship level.
I would say apart from Wilson they were all very poor goalkeepers. What are any of them doing now. How do you know they regressed, they all came from lower league teams and we’re not up to championship level.Marosi, Moore, Collins and Wilson all regressed.
That's beyond debate. The question is why?
It might be nothing to do with the coaching but to not question the person whose job title is goalkeeping coach would be peculiar to say the least.
The summer of the Gyok/Hamer sales, spending so much across the team but just 500k or whatever it was for Brad Collins was a slightly odd call.We were operating on a limited budget for years and the GK position wasn’t one we deemed worth spending a lot of money on.
Unlike Wilson, Marosi actually plays regular first team football and Moore is backup for a PL club.I would say apart from Wilson they were all very poor goalkeepers. What are any of them doing now. How do you know they regressed, they all came from lower league teams and we’re not up to championship level.
Sorry Marosi was our title winning keeper while Wilson sat on the bench. He'd have probably been a serviceable keeper at this level if things had been different. The most disrespected member of our title winners by far. Better than Wilson and remembered fondly by me.I would say apart from Wilson they were all very poor goalkeepers. What are any of them doing now. How do you know they regressed, they all came from lower league teams and we’re not up to championship level.
How do you know they regressed
The whole concept of signing Barnsley’s defence overall was a slightly odd call given that it was a L1 playoff defence.The summer of the Gyok/Hamer sales, spending so much across the team but just 500k or whatever it was for Brad Collins was a slightly odd call.
Ironically I think Andersen was our first choice but we've done well out of Thomas and Kitching really. Worked out ok.The whole concept of signing Barnsley’s defence overall was a slightly odd call given that it was a L1 playoff defence.
Marosi, Moore, Collins and Wilson all regressed.
That's beyond debate. The question is why?
It might be nothing to do with the coaching but to not question the person whose job title is goalkeeping coach would be peculiar to say the least.
Perhaps because they are no more than League One level keepers or just suited to a back up role; rather than exposure week in week out over the course of a season, where their weaknesses eventually come to the surface and get exposed.
The two centre backs were signed because of their individual capability, not because they played for a league 1 play off team.The whole concept of signing Barnsley’s defence overall was a slightly odd call given that it was a L1 playoff defence.
The plan was to sign Barnsley’s back 3 plus Collins wasn’t it? So it was the unit we were in for as much as the individuals.The two centre backs were signed because of their individual capability, not because they played for a league 1 play off team.
while I could see that being the case in some instances Moore and Wilson were decent over a fairly long spell.
I know Moore had some personal issues and I think Wilson was much better in his golden gloves season than people give him credit for
That's speculation and most likely not true given thatThe plan was to sign Barnsley’s back 3 plus Collins wasn’t it? So it was the unit we were in for as much as the individuals.
“I’d usually catch these….but Aled is telling me to palm it straight to the closest opposition player instead….better do what he says”Well, Collins had a Chelsea connection along with Dasilva and Palmer. You’d still expect a goalkeeping coach to tell him to parry the ball away from goal.
Happy to be corrected, thought Saddle said otherwise at the time.That's speculation and most likely not true given that
1. Barnsley played with 3 at the back and the other player they had went to Luton
2. Thomas was signed once Burnley priced us out of Luke McNally
He did it throughout his two seasons here. Not something worth working on?“I’d usually catch these….but Aled is telling me to palm it straight to the closest opposition player instead….better do what he says”
Maybe Collins didn’t respond well to training because he…..wasn’t very good?He did it throughout his two seasons here. Not something worth working on?
Maybe Collins didn’t respond well to training because he…..wasn’t very good?
Either that or Aled was staying committed to the principles of Operation Don’t Save Anything because he’d misread a UEFA training textbook.
I think Moore was definitely off field personal issues. I have always thought Wilson was over criticised, however he does have a mistake in him. I never saw Collins as an upgrade, far from it. I think a lot of people convinced themselves he would be then wouldn't back track on it, when he lost form.
Even really top goalkeepers can have a collapse in confidence and form. It's the nature of the position. Outfield players can have a mare but it won't necessarily cost the team goals and the match. Goalkeepers mistakes tend to result in goals conceded.
When you look at how our backroom staff has changed, if Williams was half as bad as people are making out I don't think he would still be here.
I find it odd that Aled Williams gets so much stick. If a GK loses form, it’s Williams’ fault but if any outfield player has a loss of form it’s never a specific coach’s fault. Why?
Dovin progressed nicely last season, no praise for Williams. Collins comes in, plays poorly and the usual suspects call for his head.
I don’t know how good or bad of a coach he is but Lampard would have scope to replace staff if they weren’t good enough you’d think.
Rushworth literally credited Williams on Saturday after the match for the work he’s done with him in training.Maybe an outdated opinion:
Other than saying that “he was a talented goalkeeper in his day” on his own LinkedIn profile, I can’t find who Aled Williams actually played for.
Coaching badges are one thing, but is that enough without top level actual experience?
Players often enjoy / benefit from having coaches or managers who can say “been there, done it, understand your mindset” etc.
Lampard is revered because he can say that. Plus he’s been coached by the best and players know that. I’m sure that when he speaks, not many are going to say “what does he know?”
MR had Man U, Ferguson, playing abroad etc to cite.
WRT goalkeeper coaches, it’d be hard to say that Oggy hadn’t “been there”, he could point to his Liverpool days for a start.
WRT Williams, he might have all the coupons but will any of the keepers he’s tried to develop actually revere / respect him enough?
As I said, might be an outdated opinion but there it is.
I believe he also covers set piece which we are also shit at defending
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Does he do set piece attack and defence?
I know he got some praise, quite recently when we scored from one but didn't know if he also works on them from the defensive side.
The reality is that no-one really knowsUnsure mate, I thought he covered Goalkeepers, Defence & Set pieces but I could be wrong.
I would include Robins and King in that as well.I agree about him still being here, I'm sure Lampard would have replaced him if he wasn't satisfied.
It’s far more nuanced than blaming set piece goals on the coaches. A lot of them are due to a real time lack of concentration and a lack of communication. Also irks me how many times defenders in general fluff a clearance these days
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