But most of what's on here is speculation based on tip bits, rumour and mainly, what we,see at games.
Most of us have no more than that to go on.
Does it merit campaigns to get people sacked though and undermining a person's professional reputation - when as you as say it is speculation based on tit bits and rumour.
By all means suggest an upgrade. But when people state they are not fit for their role without offering any job related evidence of their incompetence in that role - I find hard to accept.
I doubt anyone's getting sacked or even had their professional reputation tarnished by any of the wittering on here.
In the same way we've never released a player to another club because someone on here has offered to 'drive them there themselves!'
So people aren't affected by posts on social media? Personally or professionally in the football world?
How naive are you!
I noticed Rushworth had a lot of praise for Aled Williams in the post-match interview
I find it odd that Aled Williams gets so much stick. If a GK loses form, it’s Williams’ fault but if any outfield player has a loss of form it’s never a specific coach’s fault. Why?I noticed Rushworth had a lot of praise for Aled Williams in the post-match interview
It’s because people don’t know how else to explain goalkeeping errors that are often quite difficult to explain.I find it odd that Aled Williams gets so much stick. If a GK loses form, it’s Williams’ fault but if any outfield player has a loss of form it’s never a specific player’s fault. Why?
Dovin progressed nicely last season, no praise for Williams. Collins comes in, plays poorly and the usual suspects call for his head.
I don’t know how good or bad of a coach he is but Lampard would have scope to replace staff if they weren’t good enough you’d think.
It’s because people don’t know how else to explain goalkeeping errors that are often quite difficult to explain.
They are just errors. The goalkeeper is a very exposed position, where one mistake or error of judgement can cost you a goal or the match.
Football is a confidence sport and nothing tests your confidence more than goalkeeping.
Coaching is a long process to achieve progress or even decline.
The over the top criticisms of Aled Williams I can only put down to people trying to look ITK while displaying they know Jack Sh**!
It’s nothing to do with them, it’s just the quality of players we’ve had.
Marosi- broken cheekbone which absolutely destroyed his confidenceMarosi, Moore, Collins and Wilson all regressed.
That's beyond debate. The question is why?
It might be nothing to do with the coaching but to not question the person whose job title is goalkeeping coach would be peculiar to say the least.
Depends on your point of view. There's an argument that most actually improved with us but then didn't sustain it as long as we'd have hoped.Marosi, Moore, Collins and Wilson all regressed.
That's beyond debate. The question is why?
It might be nothing to do with the coaching but to not question the person whose job title is goalkeeping coach would be peculiar to say the least.
Marosi- broken cheekbone which absolutely destroyed his confidence
Moore- widely rumoured went through some horrific personal life stuff
Collins - was never good enough
Wilson played less than 50 games at league 2, had an unreal run but form is temporary and class is forever. H8is class is back up keeper at best
Doug has proven he's ruthless. If Aled was no good there's no way in hell he's still be here
Collins especially did things you wouldn't expect even from amateur keepers, e.g. parrying the ball back towards the centre of goal. It wasn't ever coached out of him which was bizarre.I agree with most of that post but whether Wiliams stays or not should be down to Lampard not King, and I believe that's a totally the case.
But my point still stands, when you have the keeping issues we've had in recent years, its crazy to think the keeping coach shouldn't be questioned.
Moore was a bench warmer at Blades. Was allowed to leave on a free. And plenty of their fans said he wasn't good enough for the Championship.Marosi, Moore, Collins and Wilson all regressed.
That's beyond debate. The question is why?
It might be nothing to do with the coaching but to not question the person whose job title is goalkeeping coach would be peculiar to say the least.
Moore was a bench warmer at Blades. Was allowed to leave on a free. And plenty of their fans said he wasn't good enough for the Championship.
Collins had been dropped by Barnsley by the time we signed him.
Marosi is a League One goalie.
Wilson had never been trusted as a number one until Moore shit the bed. And there's a case to be made for saying the Ben Wilson of today is a better keeper than the Ben Wilson that arrived from Bradford in 2019.
There are 2 things that the above players have in common.
1. They have only ever moved for free or for nominal fees.
2. Few, if any, of their old clubs suffered following their departure.
Marosi, Moore, Collins and Wilson all regressed.
That's beyond debate. The question is why?
It might be nothing to do with the coaching but to not question the person whose job title is goalkeeping coach would be peculiar to say the least.
The point is that his name wasn't mentioned when Dovin had a major uplift in form last season. Nor even when Wilson had his career highlight in 2023.The idea that the goalkeeping coaches name shouldn't be brought into conversations about poor performances from the keepers is frankly mental.
Of course none of us know exactly what goes on, but on that premise there's no point to this forum as none of our opinions are informed enough.
It's all one way traffic. Dovin's performances in Jan-Feb was a massive factor in the win streak, his average match rating was 8.05 over 8 games starting from Norwich (a) to Wednesday (a). That's crazy form for a GK and as you say, no one credited Aled Williams for it.The point is that his name wasn't mentioned when Dovin had a major uplift in form last season. Nor even when Wilson had his career highlight in 2023.
I don't think it's even particularly to do with errors. We all know keepers, as all players do, make mistakes and we all know at this level mistakes are more likely.It’s because people don’t know how else to explain goalkeeping errors that are often quite difficult to explain.
I haven’t seen many Championship keepers who’ve really impressed me, but in Collins I saw things happening that made no sense for a keeper at this level. Very fundamental problems at that. You do wonder what was going on with his coaching.It's all one way traffic. Dovin's performances in Jan-Feb was a massive factor in the win streak, his average match rating was 8.05 over 8 games starting from Norwich (a) to Wednesday (a). That's crazy form for a GK and as you say, no one credited Aled Williams for it.
But, if Collins decides to throw the ball in his own net, it's open season on Collins and Williams...
Marosi, Moore, Collins and Wilson all regressed.
That's beyond debate. The question is why?
It might be nothing to do with the coaching but to not question the person whose job title is goalkeeping coach would be peculiar to say the least.
The suggestion is that Aled Williams is some kind of charismatic demon headmaster capable of single-handedly destroying a keeper’s confidence through the power of his coaching alone. I just don’t think it makes sense.We've twice been at a point, with two different players, where them being picked left us concerned that every single shot would result in a goal which is probably not a good thing to be happening when you're the person responsible for coaching them.
For that to happen with one player would be a concern but could fairly easily be put down to an injury, external issue or some other reason out of the coaching staffs control. For it to happen to two keepers in quick succession is bound to raise questions.
Since when have supporters made sense or through rationallyThe suggestion is that Aled Williams is some kind of charismatic demon headmaster capable of single-handedly destroying a keeper’s confidence through the power of his coaching alone. I just don’t think it makes sense.
Really the common denominator is not investing very much in our goalkeepers. They’ve mostly been journeymen on the L1/Championship bubble and you get what you pay for.Since when have supporters made sense or through rationally
We've just been desperately unluckily. To have one keeper fall apart like that would be rare. To have two in quick succession is not something I can really recall happening elsewhere. Only natural that people are looking for a common denominator and someone to blame even if there's not really anyone to blame.
Viveash personally wanted Collins and apparently had a fraught relationship with Wilson. That’s what I got told by a mate who may get some insider info.I haven’t seen many Championship keepers who’ve really impressed me, but in Collins I saw things happening that made no sense for a keeper at this level. Very fundamental problems at that. You do wonder what was going on with his coaching.
As for Dovin, his form could have been down to coaching, confidence or both.
Really the common denominator is not investing very much in our goalkeepers. They’ve mostly been journeymen on the L1/Championship bubble and you get what you pay for.
That's correct I think. I wonder how long we chased Dovin for though.Really the common denominator is not investing very much in our goalkeepers. They’ve mostly been journeymen on the L1/Championship bubble and you get what you pay for.
The point is that his name wasn't mentioned when Dovin had a major uplift in form last season. Nor even when Wilson had his career highlight in 2023.
It's all one way traffic. Dovin's performances in Jan-Feb was a massive factor in the win streak, his average match rating was 8.05 over 8 games starting from Norwich (a) to Wednesday (a). That's crazy form for a GK and as you say, no one credited Aled Williams for it.
But, if Collins decides to throw the ball in his own net, it's open season on Collins and Williams...
Well, Collins had a Chelsea connection along with Dasilva and Palmer. You’d still expect a goalkeeping coach to tell him to parry the ball away from goal.Viveash personally wanted Collins and apparently had a fraught relationship with Wilson. That’s what I got told by a mate who may get some insider info.
This would make sense because Collins randomly went to 3rd choice and Wilson to 2nd for no apparent reason.
Dovin was the first player we signed for a significant sum and lo and behold, he’s shown a lot of class at times.
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