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Otis · Jan 29, 2019

You suggestion is a bit daft to be honest.

This would be a new club formed out of the ashes of the old club, so a direct and tangible link to the original club and that is entirely different to a club that is already in existence and has existed independently for over 70 years.

Which other clubs have gone bust and reformed. Anyone know of a list?

Nick · Jan 29, 2019

Otis said:
Course not. Sphinx are an entirely different club. they were formed in 1946.

But if a daft analogy that, Nick.

Would love to hear of other clubs that went bust and reformed and how their fans felt and feel about their new club and if they still feel it is the same club.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I bet loads do and probably the majority.

You said it's about fan perception though? If enough fans perceived it then why not?

Again, its about majorities and what people think. If enough decided sphinx was their club then why not? The new club would also be an entirely different club too.

Nick · Jan 29, 2019

Otis said:
You suggestion is a bit daft to be honest.

This would be a new club formed out of the ashes of the old club, so a direct and tangible link to the original club and that is entirely different to a club that is already in existence and has existed independently for over 70 years.

Which other clubs have gone bust and reformed. Anyone know of a list?

What if two were formed. Which one would be ccfc?

You said it would be a "new club". Obviously not the same one.

If somebody has a cat and it dies and they go and get a new one to replace it, it isn't the same cat.

You are saying it's fans perception.

Magwitch · Jan 29, 2019

Liquid Gold said:
Once Coventry City are liquidated they cease to exist. All of their history is gone. That is a fact. It's literally law.

No it isn’t

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 29, 2019

Otis said:
You suggestion is a bit daft to be honest.

This would be a new club formed out of the ashes of the old club, so a direct and tangible link to the original club and that is entirely different to a club that is already in existence and has existed independently for over 70 years.

Which other clubs have gone bust and reformed. Anyone know of a list?

What kind of level do you want? You want the likes of Bristol City on there? How about the likes of Bradford PA? Or you wanting the relatively recent ones?

(Oh, reading this thread this morning shows how 280 characters can alter perception. CJ, in the past you've streamed meetings and that's been great. Is that something you'd be able to do again?)

Nick · Jan 29, 2019

Magwitch said:
No it isn’t

How isn't it?

Otis · Jan 29, 2019

Nick said:
You said it's about fan perception though? If enough fans perceived it then why not?

Again, its about majorities and what people think. If enough decided sphinx was their club then why not? The new club would also be an entirely different club too.

It can only be perceived from some kind of reality surely?

Irish is right, it is about opinion. That doesn't mean that officially it is fact.

If City go bust and a new club is formed and called Coventry City AFC and plays in sky blue and are nicknamed the Sky Blues and the fans still sing the sky blue song and it has ex players such as Oggy and Dietmar Bruck and Busst and many, many others backing it, then yes, that IS Coventry City for me.

You may not feel the same, but I bet loads would.

It WOULD be Coventry City to me still.

Otis · Jan 29, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
What kind of level do you want? You want the likes of Bristol City on there? How about the likes of Bradford PA? Or you wanting the relatively recent ones?

(Oh, reading this thread this morning shows how 280 characters can alter perception. CJ, in the past you've streamed meetings and that's been great. Is that something you'd be able to do again?)

Just would love to hear the opinions of their fans as to whether they consider the new club to still be the club they had always backed and supported.

Magwitch · Jan 29, 2019

Nick said:
How isn't it?

Read the Newport County example.

Nick · Jan 29, 2019

Otis said:
It can only be perceived from some kind of reality surely?

Irish is right, it is about opinion. That doesn't mean that officially it is fact.

If City go bust and a new club is formed and called Covent City AFC and plays in sky blue and are nicknamed the Sky Blues and the fans still sing the sky blue song and it has ex players such as Oggy and Dietmar Bruck and Busst and many, many others backing it, then yes, that IS Coventry City for me.

You may not feel the same, but I bet loads would.I

It WOULD be Coventry City to me still.

Again, what if all the ex players got behind sphinx and 5000 city fans went to support them? After all the fans and ex players would perceive that sphinx was the new ccfc.

What if there are 2 teams started, which is ccfc?

Nick · Jan 29, 2019

Magwitch said:
Read the Newport County example.

You didn't even get the name change right.

It is a different club.

clint van damme · Jan 29, 2019

Sounds like there were some positives from the meeting but I really don't understand why people are discussing a phoenix club while CCFC is still alive?

Bit like your relatives discussing your funeral arrangements when you been told you've got a serious illness but the doctors haven't actually said it's terminal.

Otis · Jan 29, 2019

Nick said:
Again, what if all the ex players got behind sphinx and 5000 city fans went to support them? After all the fans and ex players would perceive that sphinx was the new ccfc.

What if there are 2 teams started, which is ccfc?

if people went and supported Sphinx, then fine, but that could never be Coventry City to me.

if there was no new club I think I could start and back Sphinx, but if there was a new one, then that would be my club.

If two teams started? Well, who knows. We can't second guess now that, that would happen and if it did, who would have the greater right to be accepted as Coventry City?

Cannot possibly comment of a fictional, make believe future concept with no facts, no background, no idea who is who.

Anyway, I think it would be madness for that to happen and God forbid if it ever did. Don't we have enough argument and infighting now without having TWO clubs to fight over in the future!!

Otis · Jan 29, 2019

clint van damme said:
Sounds like there were some positives from the meeting but I really don't understand why people are discussing a phoenix club while CCFC is still alive?

Bit like your relatives discussing your funeral arrangements when you been told you've got a serious illness but the doctors haven't actually said it's terminal.

Yeah. Agree.

All focus needs to be in saving THIS club!

Nick · Jan 29, 2019

Otis said:
if people went and supported Sphinx, then fine, but that could never be Coventry City to me.

if there was no new club I think I could start and back Sphinx, but if there was a new one, then that would be my club.

If two teams started? Well, who knows. We can't second guess now that, that would happen and if it did, who would have the greater right to be accepted as Coventry City?

Cannot possibly comment of a fictional, make believe future concept with no facts, no background, no idea who is who.

Anyway, I think it would be madness for that to happen and God forbid if it ever did. Don't we have enough argument and infighting now without having TWO clubs to fight over in the future!!

No, sadly I've only got one club. Sphinx could get to the champions League final and play juventus at home and id have the same interest as Leicester being in it.

Magwitch · Jan 29, 2019

Stop picking hairs. The Newport County formed in 1912 went out of business in 1988 and reformed in 1989 as a CONTINUATION of the old club. Not sure of the full name but the word County was added with permission of the league don’t know which league as they are a Welsh club but I suspect it’s the EFL. If similar happened here most fans would see a “new” club in the same light and if they played in Sky Blue would be called the Sky Blues. You my friend can sit at home with your pipe and slippers and reminisce.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 29, 2019

clint van damme said:
Sounds like there were some positives from the meeting but I really don't understand why people are discussing a phoenix club while CCFC is still alive?

Bit like your relatives discussing your funeral arrangements when you been told you've got a serious illness but the doctors haven't actually said it's terminal.

tbd I get it as a backstop. The nuance didn't come across if not at the meeting, but for the supporters trust not to have a contingency in place would be poor planning.

Nick · Jan 29, 2019

clint van damme said:
Sounds like there were some positives from the meeting but I really don't understand why people are discussing a phoenix club while CCFC is still alive?

Bit like your relatives discussing your funeral arrangements when you been told you've got a serious illness but the doctors haven't actually said it's terminal.

Exactly.

Instead of everybody supporting you and showing they care they are planning on what they can have from you.

Otis · Jan 29, 2019

Nick said:
No, sadly I've only got one club. Sphinx could get to the champions League final and play juventus at home and id have the same interest as Leicester being in it.

Ah, well that's where you and I differ then.

I support all things Coventry. It's my home town and is my parents home town. I cannot stand speedway, but was always rooting for the Bees when they got to any final of anything.

I always want Sphinx to win even though I have never had any interest in supporting them.

Could be American football, rugby league (which again I don't like), basketball (which again I don't like), darts, snooker, whatever. I always back any Coventry sporting club (but please don't mention anything with Wasps in the name. That doesn't count).

Magwitch · Jan 29, 2019

How many more times ?
A Phoenix club wasn’t discussed as a solution it got mentioned more than discussed as a WHAT IF scenario should things go beyond the wire, see fuck all wrong in that.
It wasn’t 100% popular, the prospect wasn’t 100% agreed, it was just a worst case scenerio

clint van damme · Jan 29, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
tbd I get it as a backstop. The nuance didn't come across if not at the meeting, but for the supporters trust not to have a contingency in place would be poor planning.

starting a new club isn't a contingency plan in my eyes.
They are the Coventry city trust, starting a new club is nothing to do with CCFC as far as I'm concerned.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 29, 2019

clint van damme said:
starting a new club isn't a contingency plan in my eyes.
They are the Coventry city trust, starting a new club is nothing to do with CCFC as far as I'm concerned.

But it would be to me and many. Why deny us the chance to follow Coventry City if this incarnation isn't about?

Nick · Jan 29, 2019

Otis said:
Ah, well that's where you and I differ then.

I support all things Coventry. It's my home town and is my parents home town. I cannot stand speedway, but was always rooting for the Bees when they got to any final of anything.

I always want Sphinx to win even though I have never had any interest in supporting them.

Could be American football, rugby league (which again I don't like), basketball (which again I don't like), darts, snooker, whatever. I always back any Coventry sporting club (but please don't mention anything with Wasps in the name. That doesn't count).

I support Coventry city. I couldn't give a shit what sphinx or cov united do.

Nick · Jan 29, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
But it would be to me and many. Why deny us the chance to follow Coventry City if this incarnation isn't about?

Because it wouldn't be Coventry city. That's the point. It's people following an alternative.

When my local closed, we went to a different one. It didn't mean it was the same pub.

It's just pointing that out.

Otis · Jan 29, 2019

Nick said:
I support Coventry city. I couldn't give a shit what sphinx or cov united do.

Not a true Coventrian then.

Otis · Jan 29, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
But it would be to me and many. Why deny us the chance to follow Coventry City if this incarnation isn't about?

Totally agree. I am exactly the same.

Nick · Jan 29, 2019

Otis said:
Not a true Coventrian then.

Probably not, no. Not really arsed.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 29, 2019

Nick said:
Because it wouldn't be Coventry city.

Again, not to you. It would be to me!

And you have no right to tell me otherwise. I can respect your decision not to follow thwm at that stage, much as I can respect those for who Northampton meant it was no longer their club. Extend me the same courtesy.

Nick · Jan 29, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
Again, not to you. It would be to me!

And you have no right to tell me otherwise. I can respect your decision not to follow thwm at that stage, much as I can respect those for who Northampton meant it was no longer their club. Extend me the same courtesy.

Of course it's your choice to follow a different team to get a football fix. It just isn't ccfc.

It's accepting it for what it is rather than trying to kid. There's no fa cup, there's no Jimmy hill etc.

clint van damme · Jan 29, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
But it would be to me and many. Why deny us the chance to follow Coventry City if this incarnation isn't about?

I'm not denying it to anyone, I can't stop people discussing it or (prematurely) planning for it but I don't get it and it's not for me. Just seems strange that a Sky blue trust meeting should be discussing a different club while the current one is alive and kicking.
I have a sneaking suspicion, (not aiming this at you), that some people are desperate for it to happen because they think there's a chance they'll get a seat on the board which will give them kudos and massage their ego, I may be wrong.

Otis · Jan 29, 2019

clint van damme said:
I'm not denying it to anyone, I can't stop people discussing it or (prematurely) planning for it but I don't get it and it's not for me. Just seems strange that a Sky blue trust meeting should be discussing a different club while the current one is alive and kicking.
I have a sneaking suspicion, (not aiming this at you), that some people are desperate for it to happen because they think there's a chance they'll get a seat on the board which will give them kudos and massage their ego, I may be wrong.

Seems it was only mentioned fleetingly in the meeting, but for some reason that's what is being picked upon this morning.

Otis · Jan 29, 2019

Nick said:
Of course it's your choice to follow a different team to get a football fix. It just isn't ccfc.
.

In your opinion.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 29, 2019

Otis said:
Seems it was only mentioned fleetingly in the meeting, but for some reason that's what is being picked upon this morning.

tbf Twitter gave a different impression, but I'll accept the view from people who were there that it was very much an aside.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 29, 2019

clint van damme said:
I'm not denying it to anyone, I can't stop people discussing it or (prematurely) planning for it but I don't get it and it's not for me. Just seems strange that a Sky blue trust meeting should be discussing a different club while the current one is alive and kicking.
I have a sneaking suspicion, (not aiming this at you), that some people are desperate for it to happen because they think there's a chance they'll get a seat on the board which will give them kudos and massage their ego, I may be wrong.

The day I get a seat on the board is the day hell freezes over

I'd fight against an alternative club while ours beats (Enfield shows the mess that can bring) but after the life support is switched off is a very different matter - I personally am uncomfortable with us being Otium, after all.

I also hate the thought if the old guard coming back and it being same old, same old. A new start should be just that with fresh faces as far as I'm concerned. But ultimately, just ad with McGinnity, Robinson, Ranson etc.. I can not appreciate the powerbrokers but ultimately have little choice but to follow.

Now what were those lottery numbers again?

Nick · Jan 29, 2019

Otis said:
Seems it was only mentioned fleetingly in the meeting, but for some reason that's what is being picked upon this morning.

Wasn't it discussed right at the start pretty much? Also inferring there might be a deal at the ricoh for one?

Same bloke who told everybody if the club goes into admin the fans can pick up the bits and also boycotts home games

It might have come across differently from the text written about it.

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