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Frostie

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #71
cc84cov said:
He’s predominantly an attacking midfielder tho

So if Kane is up front,Grealish plays who’s the other attacking midfielder? Mount is not ahead of rashford or sterling either
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Depends what system we play.
If we play a 4-3-3 like yesterday then Mount can play in the Midfield 3 with 2 defensive midfielders, 1 of which will definitely be Declan Rice. Grealish would play off the left with Sterling off the right I think.

I've made this point before but the fact Mount is compared to Grealish etc. anyway is just daft, they don't play the same role.
100% guarantee Mount (rightly) starts in whatever system we play though.
 

cc84cov

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #72
Frostie said:
Depends what system we play.
If we play a 4-3-3 like yesterday then Mount can play in the Midfield 3 with 2 defensive midfielders, 1 of which will definitely be Declan Rice. Grealish would play off the left with Sterling off the right I think.

I've made this point before but the fact Mount is compared to Grealish etc. anyway is just daft, they don't play the same role.
100% guarantee Mount (rightly) starts in whatever system we play though.
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Check out @Evo1883 defensive stats comparing the 2 mate
 
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Evo1883

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #73


Just this season this is

If I add ground duels grealish has won 187 to mounts 130

Attacking wise its hard to argue mount is better because he obviously isn't..

Defensively they are good at different things

The logic for him to be persistently excluded simply isn't there
 
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cc84cov

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #74
Frostie said:
Depends what system we play.
If we play a 4-3-3 like yesterday then Mount can play in the Midfield 3 with 2 defensive midfielders, 1 of which will definitely be Declan Rice. Grealish would play off the left with Sterling off the right I think.

I've made this point before but the fact Mount is compared to Grealish etc. anyway is just daft, they don't play the same role.
100% guarantee Mount (rightly) starts in whatever system we play though.
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Yesterday was as drab as ever It’s such boring football to watch under him
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #75
Grealish to foden
 
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stupot07

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #76
Frostie said:
Depends what system we play.
If we play a 4-3-3 like yesterday then Mount can play in the Midfield 3 with 2 defensive midfielders, 1 of which will definitely be Declan Rice. Grealish would play off the left with Sterling off the right I think.

I've made this point before but the fact Mount is compared to Grealish etc. anyway is just daft, they don't play the same role.
100% guarantee Mount (rightly) starts in whatever system we play though.
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I felt sorry for Forden yesterday, he is arguable the most gifted of England's attacking midfielders but had clearly been told to stay wide right all game.

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cc84cov

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #77
Evo1883 said:
Grealish to foden View attachment 19350
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Yesterday Southgate ruined his game
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #78
End of the day , the team that played against Albania will be near enough the team that plays against Croatia in June bar maybe a formation change to have 3 centre halves
Won't be wildly different
 

Frostie

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #79
stupot07 said:
I felt sorry for Forden yesterday, he is arguable the most gifted of England's attacking midfielders but had clearly been told to stay wide right all game.

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Yeah, not a great performance from him, looked a bit lost first half but thought he was better in the 2nd.

It's a difficult one &, whilst I'm not a Southgate fan, he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't somewhat. Somebody is always going to miss out or, in the case of Foden yesterday, played in a slightly unfamiliar role.
We have an unbalanced squad with a wealth of forward talent but glaring weaknesses behind them.

Unfortunately, a lot of fans seem to think you just throw your best attacking players onto a pitch & it will all come together. Without the likes of Mount, Rice + another DM it almost certainly won't.
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #80
Frostie said:
Yeah, not a great performance from him, looked a bit lost first half but thought he was better in the 2nd.

It's a difficult one &, whilst I'm not a Southgate fan, he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't somewhat. Somebody is always going to miss out or, in the case of Foden yesterday, played in a slightly unfamiliar role.

Unfortunately, a lot of fans seem to think you just throw your best attacking players onto a pitch & it will all come together. Without the likes of Mount, Rice + another DM it almost certainly won't.
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Think Southgate switched formation towards the end of the first half to a 4231 which allowed foden to come in alot more
 
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Evo1883

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #81
I'm all for giving Southgate this euros ..but surely we are in agreement that if he fails to reach the semi finals at least with us having so many games at Wembley he's got to go

We can't allow him to then take these players to the world Cup in 2022
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #82
Evo1883 said:
I'm all for giving Southgate this euros ..but surely we are in agreement that if he fails to reach the semi finals at least with us having so many games at Wembley he's got to go

We can't allow him to then take these players to the world Cup in 2022
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If he doesn’t win it he should go it’s all about winning.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #83
Southgate is lucky to have such a group to pick from Foden is already a tremendous player and could go on to be be in the top handful in the world.

His worry is who to pick from Maddison Grealish etc previous managers would have killed for one of them.
 

cc84cov

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #84
Evo1883 said:
End of the day , the team that played against Albania will be near enough the team that plays against Croatia in June bar maybe a formation change to have 3 centre halves
Won't be wildly different
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That team won’t go far
Evo1883 said:
I'm all for giving Southgate this euros ..but surely we are in agreement that if he fails to reach the semi finals at least with us having so many games at Wembley he's got to go

We can't allow him to then take these players to the world Cup in 2022
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We know what’s gonna happen he’s just gonna waste this current crop of brilliant attacking players we have he’s another bottle job the game in the World Cup against Croatia showed how weak tactically he is,not being funny what’s he ever done as a manager ? Or a player ? Was it 1 league cup trophy as a player with villa ?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #85
Evo1883 said:
End of the day , the team that played against Albania will be near enough the team that plays against Croatia in June bar maybe a formation change to have 3 centre halves
Won't be wildly different
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If he plays 4 at the back I can see him going with


Pope
Walker Maguire Stones Shaw
Henderson
Rice Mount

Sterling Kane Grealish.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #86
On Southgate if he lost the England job who would want him I couldn’t see a single Prem team taking him and the same with most of the champ.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #87
Terry Gibson's perm said:
On Southgate if he lost the England job who would want him I couldn’t see a single Prem team taking him and the same with most of the champ.
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He will get something, same way Chris Coleman was in demand after his stint with Wales.
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #88
cc84cov said:
That team won’t go far

We know what’s gonna happen he’s just gonna waste this current crop of brilliant attacking players we have he’s another bottle job the game in the World Cup against Croatia showed how weak tactically he is,not being funny what’s he ever done as a manager ? Or a player ? Was it 1 league cup trophy as a player with villa ?
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I will give Southgate his due he was a pretty good defender
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #89
Who would you appoint as England manager in place of Southgate? Assuming they must be English or British...
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #90
fernandopartridge said:
Who would you appoint as England manager in place of Southgate? Assuming they must be English or British...
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Kenny Jackett
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #91
cc84cov said:
That team won’t go far

We know what’s gonna happen he’s just gonna waste this current crop of brilliant attacking players we have he’s another bottle job the game in the World Cup against Croatia showed how weak tactically he is,not being funny what’s he ever done as a manager ? Or a player ? Was it 1 league cup trophy as a player with villa ?
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Croatia are a superior side to England.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #92
Sick Boy said:
Croatia are a superior side to England.
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They were during the last WC. They certainly aren't anymore.
 

richnrg

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #93
cc84cov said:
Compare their goals assists key passes most fouls Grealish is miles ahead in the chances created 20+ ahead of De Bruyne
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so does that mean that Grealish is better than De Bruyne, or does it mean that stats can be used to 'prove' something that is not true.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #94
Sick Boy said:
Croatia are a superior side to England.
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Not at the moment i don't think they are , we should beat them at Wembley
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #95
Ccfcisparks said:
He will get something, same way Chris Coleman was in demand after his stint with Wales.
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As a supporter you would be seriously underwhelmed if he rocked up at your club.
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #96
Terry Gibson's perm said:
As a supporter you would be seriously underwhelmed if he rocked up at your club.
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I'd be underwhelmed if he rocked up here let alone a prem job
 
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cc84cov

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #97
richnrg said:
so does that mean that Grealish is better than De Bruyne, or does it mean that stats can be used to 'prove' something that is not true.
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Grealish is doing it in a lesser team than De Bruyne he’s also performed at a higher level in that lesser team the stats don’t lie anyone who thinks mason Mount should be in ahead of grealish is in a minority not just fans but the majority of ex pro’s & coaches...it’s not hard to see so many questioning wtf Southgate is playing at
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #98
cc84cov said:
Grealish is doing it in a lesser team than De Bruyne he’s also performed at a higher level in that lesser team the stats don’t lie anyone who thinks mason Mount should be in ahead of grealish is in a minority not just fans but the majority of ex pro’s & coaches...it’s not hard to see so many questioning wtf Southgate is playing at
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So youre saying Grealish is better than De Bruyne
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #99
cc84cov said:
Grealish is doing it in a lesser team than De Bruyne he’s also performed at a higher level in that lesser team the stats don’t lie anyone who thinks mason Mount should be in ahead of grealish is in a minority not just fans but the majority of ex pro’s & coaches...it’s not hard to see so many questioning wtf Southgate is playing at
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Do you ever get through a full day without speaking utter garbage?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #100
Be interesting to look at the stats in the context of how often a player is in possession. Villa play through Grealish a lot whereas Chelsea have got other options than Mount.
 
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cc84cov

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #101
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Do you ever get through a full day without speaking utter garbage?
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You said it was pub talk earlier jumping in the band wagon when their stats show even defensively grealish is better you posh slag
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #102
De Bruyne is a better player .. I don't think grealish could do his job as well...but at the same time I don't think mount can do his job as well either .

Grealish and mount are imo are a more reasonable comparison
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #103
cc84cov said:
You said it was pub talk earlier jumping in the band wagon when their stats show even defensively grealish is better you posh slag
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Hardly jumping on the band wagon, if as you claim, the majority believe Grealish should start.

At least try and make your feeble insults make sense.
 

cc84cov

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #104
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Hardly jumping on the band wagon, if as you claim, the majority believe Grealish should start.

At least try and make your feeble insults make sense.
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 29, 2021
  • #105
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Hardly jumping on the band wagon, if as you claim, the majority believe Grealish should start.

At least try and make your feeble insults make sense.
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Careful, he might offer to meet you for a scrap over DM's like he did with me
 
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