I guess this is also true of Ogogo?
I guess this is also true of Ogogo?
Agree, and you can apply the same logic to Andreu too.
Not the same recovery time then?Think it was Junior Brown. Ogogo I think did his Medial ligament .
YepMakes Callum Wilson's form even more impressive then.
You're normally a pretty reasonable guy NickMost of the issues haven't even been about "form". I don't think anybody is expecting Jones to go on and take on 4 players and put it in the top corner.
General fitness levels of both him and Andreu have been pretty shocking.
You're normally a pretty reasonable guy Nick
How else do players get match fit other than by playing games?
You can train as hard as you like but match fitness only comes after playing a run of games
Callum Wilson: Hunger took me from non-league to England squadMakes Callum Wilson's form even more impressive then.
I guess this is also true of Ogogo?
That's what I mean, I am just talking general fitness. Not expecting them to be 100% sharp as if they haven't been away.
Andreu was absolutely blowing out of his arse most games after half hour and he had been "on the grass" for a few months before last season ended.
chill out. he only returned to first team picture 3-4 weeks ago? got an assist in our last league game from benchI think plenty are patient in the fact you not gonna see the early season L2 form of Jones, in fact I’ll go as far as saying you won’t this season. But what we’ve seen of late he’s a passenger in games who looks way off.
I’ll go further and say he’s still a hell of a lot to prove at L1 level, L2 it was clear his pace was too much for many a team. L1 is not so much a easy ride.
In L1 he’s yet to prove anything and now has to do it off the back of a big injury.
This might upset a few who disagree but personally I’d write him off this year and see if he fancied a loan spell in January to a L2 side to recapture the confidence, ability and match minutes.
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got an assist in our last league game from bench
chill out. he only returned to first team picture 3-4 weeks ago? got an assist in our last league game from bench
he will be fine
he is a similar player to thomas. he can make an impact on league one even if it is not as big as league 2 impact. and he will offer us more than shipley who you dont seem to be asking to go out on loan oddly
Under the heading ACL injuries I wouldn’t be tho would I when we’re taking about JJ..... personally I think JJ would suit a return in the new year by a loan spell getting competitive minutes.
If your asking for my opinion tho yes he’d benefit from a loan spell also getting regular minutes under his belt to help his development having recently been rewarded with a youth cap by Ireland.
Interesting tho how everyone picks out Shipley for performing poorly and not stepping up to the demands of L1, yet Tom Bayliss is not. His game hasn’t kicked on this year has it?
He too like Shipley is yet to make his announcement in the league.
Interesting how it’s the same names that come in for weekly criticism yet others get a free ride like Tom Bayliss because they are favourites.
Reality is tho we need to develop these players till the next window opens when we can potentially look at getting ready made players in however we can only carry so many passengers in a competitive league.
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apologies but removed instantly. and all i said was you talk shit. which you were doing when trying to turn it into bullying shipley/bias crapReally is that the best you got? A personal attack?
Shameful.
Just talking football... need to calm down.
* I see you deleated it
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removed instantly. and all i said was you talk shit. which you were doing when trying to turn it into bullying shipley/bias crap
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bayliss whilst nothing special has been TEN TIMES THE PLAYER shipley has
does that finally hammer home to you how bad shipley has been?!
also player shave come in to shipleys postion and out performed him (thomas,hiwula,jones)
ogogo and kelly have not done the same to bayliss would you agree? thus less clamouring for him to be out the team.
i would disageree with marginally, shipley cant even trap a ball right now, we are disadvanatged when he plays at left wingFair enough.
Ten times the player, really if you ask yourself honestly?
I will answer tho, both are young players with a handful of games difference in experience both emerging from a successful L2 campaign.
Both have yet to perform at this level yet there is more tolerance to the more likeable Bayliss who’s is also quietly underperforming and yes played better than Kelly or Ogogo hence he’s getting the free ride.
Only Hiwula in my eyes on the last few games has marginally out performed Shipley in that position this year. Hiwula has been getting goals tho so naturally we will favour him overall too and looked lively as a more natural forward thinking player.
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i would disageree with marginally, shipley cant even trap a ball right now, we are disadvanatged when he plays at left wing
as for jones whilst i agree loan minutes could help him i think hes more valauble with us. whilst it might take him longer to get back to where he was a below par jones is worth more to us than fully fit shipley or andreu right now imo *
*andreu fully fit maybe not tbf,we stll havnt seen it!
but he isnt a passenger if in last league game he got an assist?Swings and roundabouts.... Shipley is in poor form currently, 1st touch is off, tho Bayliss isn’t on the money either. This season he’s shown a few flashes of his L2 performances but been responsible for over playing, loosing possession and drifting out of games as he adapts to this level to the point people feel Doyle has hamstrung his game.
We differ on JJ, his rehab work needs to be here in the u23’s then January we get a loan in to free him a loan move to rediscover at his own rate.
The ACL club have shown it takes a while to get back to speed, tho we cannot carry too many passengers in a match day 18 as the checkatrade competition has shown. Fitness has been a huge issue.
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